Around the League 2022-23 season

[KingsFan7824]

Its not the failure of the players, its the failure of the franchise.

Think about the fleet, not the individual boats. This organization hasn't won a playoff series in 8 years, missed the playoffs in 5 of those, including a stretch with just 1 single playoff game won in 7 seasons. Yet the same core players are in the same spots with the same minutes in the same situations.

The organization is failing because it won't embrace the changes that need to be made. If your assertion is that this is all part of a process and its too early to judge the success, well I completely disagree. You can break it down by season, portions of seasons, several seasons as a group - whatever incremental limit you want, and it is impossible to point to any of them as a situation that was a success. They stumbled forward last year NOT because they are seeing the fruits of the rebuild, but because they went out and bought a 2nd line.

Which doesn't inherently or necessarily negate that they haven't lost any prospects yet due to whatever it is they're doing. How is it a failure of the franchise, when nothing has failed yet? Nothing has really succeeded, but nothing has failed either. So yes, we have to wait for whatever it is they're doing, to actually go one way or another, before anything is declared a success or failure about anything that they're doing.

 

[Fishhead]

Can we see a SUCCESSFUL rebuild.....following your plan?

I mean, Buffalo, Arizona, Detroit, Ottawa, Edmonton (finally showing fruit after what, decade of 1st round picks) is there a team that you feel has done exactly what you advocate for, AND won?

It can work, you just need a lot of really high picks like Colorado had. Even then it's not a guarantee (see: Edmonton). Colorado closely followed the DL model. Core of top young players, supplement them with the right support, and win.

Putting a bunch of young guys exclusively in the proper roles fails more than it succeeds, but to be fair it's hard to win a cup regardless of what strategy you use. You need a balance. What the Kings are doing now can work too, it's not all that dissimilar to what St. Louis did. Washington too. Pittsburgh won with basically Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and a bunch of mercenaries.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

It can work, you just need a lot of really high picks like Colorado had. Even then it's not a guarantee (see: Edmonton). Colorado closely followed the DL model. Core of top young players, supplement them with the right support, and win.

Putting a bunch of young guys exclusively in the proper roles fails more than it succeeds, but to be fair it's hard to win a cup regardless of what strategy you use. You need a balance. What the Kings are doing now can work too, it's not all that dissimilar to what St. Louis did. Washington too. Pittsburgh won with basically Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and a bunch of mercenaries.

Oh I know that...I wanted to hear from the guy who said everything is wrong because 8 years without a playoff win...but just absolutely LOVES...what Ottawa and Detroit, and Anaheim, and Buffalo are doing....

 

[Steve Zissou]

Maybe he caught a glimpse of the new ‘locker rooms’?

 

[King'sPawn]

No surprise there.

I want to go back and see how many people were wanting to trade Vilardi+ for him during the offseason.

 

[All The Kings Men]

There's a crazy theory to be made about trading for Chychrun WHILE he's hurt that wasn't there two weeks ago but I've yet to see anybody make it.

So... you know... shame on all you rampant baseless speculation types that love to work themselves into a lather over fake trades.

 

[YP44]

There's a crazy theory to be made about trading for Chychrun WHILE he's hurt that wasn't there two weeks ago but I've yet to see anybody make it.

So... you know... shame on all you rampant baseless speculation types that love to work themselves into a lather over fake trades.

what is the theory that it could lower the cost and also that he could be put on LTIR so could allow for cap savings?

 

[Fishhead]

what is the theory that it could lower the cost and also that he could be put on LTIR so could allow for cap savings?

Wait, wouldn’t that mean he’s perfect for Arizona? They love those long term IR types!

 

[All The Kings Men]

what is the theory that it could lower the cost and also that he could be put on LTIR so could allow for cap savings?

wooooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhh you're half way theeeeeere

(the second half)

 

[Sleeping Dog]

So... you know... shame on all you rampant baseless speculation types that love to work themselves into a lather over fake trades.

Jesse, what else is there to do here but talk about fake trades, the team’s inability to develop their young players and why didn’t they draft certain players.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Jesse, what else is there to do here but talk about fake trades, the team’s inability to develop their young players and why didn’t they draft certain players.

Hey all I'm saying is be creative.

Look at the WHOLE WIDE WORLD of possibilities.

I spent like 45 minutes the other day trying to figure out what the LTIR implications were and then like a few hours later an idea just popped into my head about Chychrun and I don't even want them to trade for Chychrun and I'm sick to death of hearing other people talk about him all the time.

So when I'm doing the mental legwork for the fake trade people for a trade I don't even want well that's just extra annoying!

 

[YP44]

Wait, wouldn’t that mean he’s perfect for Arizona? They love those long term IR types!

that's only when they are retired

Hey all I'm saying is be creative.

Look at the WHOLE WIDE WORLD of possibilities.

I spent like 45 minutes the other day trying to figure out what the LTIR implications were and then like a few hours later an idea just popped into my head about Chychrun and I don't even want them to trade for Chychrun and I'm sick to death of hearing other people talk about him all the time.

So when I'm doing the mental legwork for the fake trade people for a trade I don't even want well that's just extra annoying!

So when you talk about a crazy theory going around, it really is your own crazy theory?

 

[All The Kings Men]

So when you talk about a crazy theory going around, it really is your own crazy theory?

No.

I'm saying there's currently a set of circumstances that would actually provide an opportunity to make the crazy idea not as crazy as it previously was.

EDIT : I'm still not advocating for it. It would just be LESS crazy.

 

[Kudelski37]

Jesse, what else is there to do here but talk about fake trades, the team’s inability to develop their young players and why didn’t they draft certain players.

We could talk about how Craig Smith once missed an uncontested empty net from just outside the crease so people should lay off Arvidsson.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We could talk about how Craig Smith once missed an uncontested empty net from just outside the crease so people should lay off Arvidsson.

oh man I forgot all about that one. Didn't he try to roof it? will have to go back and look

Edit: yep this is why guys don't fool around w it

 

[King'sPawn]

We could talk about how Craig Smith once missed an uncontested empty net from just outside the crease so people should lay off Arvidsson.

Or how Patrik Stefan once blew an empty netter that resulted in a game-tying goal. I think Atlanta lost that one.

 

[Schrute farms]

No.

I'm saying there's currently a set of circumstances that would actually provide an opportunity to make the crazy idea not as crazy as it previously was.

EDIT : I'm still not advocating for it. It would just be LESS crazy.

Are we talking Sean Young / Faye Dunaway crazy? Or just Lindsay Lohan type crazy?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Which doesn't inherently or necessarily negate that they haven't lost any prospects yet due to whatever it is they're doing. How is it a failure of the franchise, when nothing has failed yet? Nothing has really succeeded, but nothing has failed either. So yes, we have to wait for whatever it is they're doing, to actually go one way or another, before anything is declared a success or failure about anything that they're doing.

This is like asking to prove a negative.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Bear looked really good when he broke in, not sure what went wrong there

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Bear looked really good when he broke in, not sure what went wrong there

For a 5th round pick.....you look and see......CAR is chock full of D.....and Brindamour is a tough coach to play against.....and VAN is hurting for D....the fact they got him for a 5th is...interesting

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For a 5th round pick.....you look and see......CAR is chock full of D.....and Brindamour is a tough coach to play against.....and VAN is hurting for D....the fact they got him for a 5th is...interesting

Yeah he was buried on Carolina by default, I just haven't seen enough of him since to form much of an opinion, was wondering aloud genuinely. I do remember him giving us a difficult time on both ends on Edmonton's 2nd(?) pairing for a bit

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[KINGS17]

Expanding talents relative to role.

Having a sniper work on different kinds of shots, breakouts, zone entries, and puck protection is different from having a sniper learn to grind, kill penalties, etc.

Right now it's like the Kings are training their pitchers to be power hitters.

Edit: and to be clear, it's not a problem with adding to the repertoire - but there is an issue that a sniper is put into a grinding role before they get a sniper role.

What, no Ohtani's on this team?

Look at that beautiful pitchfork! Forget that Coyote logo, the other side should have been Sparky!

 

[King'sPawn]

What, no Ohtani's on this team?

Heck, I'd be fine with it in some capacity - like Adrian Kempe. A speedy sniper who also kills penalties? Sure! Give Byfield some PK duty? Sure!

But making Vilardi, Kupari, Byfield, Kaliyev, etc all grind and battle like Lizotte BEFORE they get quality time in the role they've played for years? No. Not a good recipe, in my opinion.

Which is why I preach flexibility.