Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[NJDevs26]

Please leave the political discussion out of this too, even the cheap dunks

 

[Satans Hockey]

Some intrepid reporter is going to ask Blackwood about Provorov. And Blackwood with his .895 save percentage is going to say "No Comment." It all depends on how you're playing these days and how anti-fragile you are. Conor McDavid has the luxury of saying whatever he wants. His playing stature is bigger than any manufactured outrage.

Considering Blackwood has a hard enough time trying to put a coherent sentence together as it is him saying "no comment" would be best for everyone.

 

[OmNomNom]

He doesn`t say "I`m against gay people". He said "I`m ok with every choice, my religion blah blah blah". He can be homophobic, he can be against gay marriage, he can be against everything that happenes with kids genders, he can be against how this agenda represent every people who doesn`t agree with this agenda in every kind of shades of this agenda etc.

You literally said without understanding any context - culturic and historic, that my religion is bad automatically. This is exactly whay homophobic people said about gays few years ago, this is what colourphobic people said about colour people few years ago and made special places for them.
There are people even gay people who doesnt like modern culturic agenda that is trying to represent itself by automatically joining every gay\colour people to itself. I hear there are gay conservative people in USA who vote for respublikans.

If you can`t understand that some people can live\work\be friend with different people but will not agree with absolutely everything and will not join them in some aspects, you are making the same mistake you are trying to judge other people for.

As a russian jewish and orthodox christian jewish(live with that information how it can be even exist), I clearly understand how people are trying to bann some people only for the wish to stay themself.

Why am I saying all this at all.

apologies for any offence you may have taken from people (myself included) on here, guad

 

[Hisch13r]

You literally said without understanding any context - culturic and historic, that my religion is bad automatically. This is exactly whay homophobic people said about gays few years ago, this is what colourphobic people said about colour people few years ago and made special places for them.

This argument is so stupid. One doesn't like the other because they don't tolerate people not accepting gay people. The other doesn't like gay people. The reason is f***ing irrelevant. You can hide behind your religion all you want as an excuse but maybe just maybe you should realize if your religion says a group of people are bad then that religion is f***ing bad.

 

[NJDevs26]

Some intrepid reporter is going to ask Blackwood about Provorov. And Blackwood with his .895 save percentage is going to say "No Comment." It all depends on how you're playing these days and how anti-fragile you are. Conor McDavid has the luxury of saying whatever he wants. His playing stature is bigger than any manufactured outrage.

This is a poor hypothetical, Blackwood isn’t Russian so why would he be asked about a player on another team with a complete different nationality? AFAIK no players on the Devils refused to wear their warmups on their own Pride Night anyway.

 

[HBK27]

Why is Blackwood being brought into this conversation now?

 

[OmNomNom]

This argument is so stupid. One doesn't like the other because they don't tolerate people not accepting gay people. The other doesn't like gay people. The reason is f***ing irrelevant. You can hide behind your religion all you want as an excuse but maybe just maybe you should realize if your religion says a group of people are bad then that religion is f***ing bad.

i think the 1st paragraph was his point he was proving though - prov didn't necessarily say anything against it, so you don't know what his specific beliefs are. and are you really okay with going off on guadana on his personal beliefs? you can't take any of these heated words back

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

i think the 1st paragraph was his point he was proving though - prov didn't necessarily say anything against it, so you don't know what his specific beliefs are. and are you really okay with going off on guadana on his personal beliefs? you can't take any of these heated words back

I mean, we can kind of assume what his beliefs are?

 

[Tundra]

Why is Blackwood being brought into this conversation now?

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Based off his social media preferences, I would assume he's not the biggest fan of the Current Thing.

 

[Guadana]

Toleration is the allowing, permitting, or acceptance of an action, idea, object, or person which one dislikes or disagrees with.
Link form Wikipedia
Toleration - Wikipedia

This argument is so stupid. One doesn't like the other because they don't tolerate people not accepting gay people. The other doesn't like gay people. The reason is f***ing irrelevant. You can hide behind your religion all you want as an excuse but maybe just maybe you should realize if your religion says a group of people are bad then that religion is f***ing bad.

I accept gay people and orthodox people, Provorov as he said, accept gay people, but doesn`t want to act in specific action. You, Zajac and other people doesn`t accept orthodox people.

That`s it. I`m done.

 

[OmNomNom]

I mean, we can kind of assume what his beliefs are?

perhaps maybe? but as long as he hasn't done anything/said anything against lgbtq explicitly, i really don't think this is worth our breaths or getting heated, misunderstanding, and hating our fellow devils fans on here.

totally heard that it's "just a jersey" but also making a statement either way, but he def has cultural implications

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

for the record, I think all religion sucks. This is not a one or the other type of thing.

 

[glenwo2]

sorry but your opinion isn't a fact.

Fair point.

Neither is yours.

This is fun.

 

[Tundra]

NHL says players can decide what causes to support after Provorov boycotts Flyers’ Pride night

Philadelphia Flyers defenceman Ivan Provorov says he didn’t warm up with teammates ahead of his team’s Pride Night because of his Russian Orthodox beliefs

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[OmNomNom]

for the record, I think all religion sucks. This is not a one or the other type of thing.

fair. and with that, just know that there's always room for independent thought within religions/sects, as well as cultural impact. that's the point i was making regarding prov and just not knowing the nuances of it all. for whatever reason, its especially a touchy point for his personal beliefs, but has never been an issue for any other ones

belief is a powerful thing

 

[NJDevs26]

fair. and with that, just know that there's always room for independent thought within religions/sects, as well as cultural impact. that's the point i was making regarding prov and just not knowing the nuances of it all. for whatever reason, its especially a touchy point for his personal beliefs, but has never been an issue for any other ones

belief is a powerful thing

The Church of Salmela is the only religion I believe in anyway

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Let me put this clearly- if you don't believe that gay people deserve to be included, thats bigotry. I dont really care that it’s "based" in religion. At all. That religion sucks if thats one of their beliefs. Period.

But at no point has Provorov even remotely suggested that. He quite literally said the opposite.

Yes the Religion and a lot of religions such and are limiting. But him not supporting something that he claims goes against his religious beliefs doesn’t mean he hates hay people or doesn’t believe they should be included.

Is it stupid? Yes. Is he a terrible person and does he hate gay people? Not necessarily at all.
As I’ve said the line for me is when you’re actually displaying hate for others or putting your views on them. He did no such thing and said he respects their beliefs and choices.

 

[TrufleShufle]

fair. and with that, just know that there's always room for independent thought within religions/sects, as well as cultural impact. that's the point i was making regarding prov and just not knowing the nuances of it all. for whatever reason, its especially a touchy point for his personal beliefs, but has never been an issue for any other ones

belief is a powerful thing

All religions suck because they all paint everything with a broad brush and judge them for it.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

that i agree with (and for the record i'm both religious and in on inclusion)

i don't think anyone's bigoted in here moreso than defending the man's right to do that (just as everyone has a right to think he sucks).

but i think for religion/family (with how complex it is), we don't know everyone's upbringing and background. who knows? maybe provorov's family would be harassed in his community if he wore the warmup.

is it stupid? yes. but is it a legit concern (if it was the case)? could be. i'm not going to pretend to know someone's background and history, and he's not worth wasting any breath on. idk how this turned into people defending each other's beliefs and people labeling other devils' fans bigoted

This.
It’s stupid to assume he’s a hateful and/or shitty person. Stupid, misguided (by religion, culture, and family) and probably ignorant yes.

 

[OmNomNom]

The Church of Salmela is the only religion I believe in anyway

i need a bigger like button

 

[None Shall Pass]

All in all, I think it's a lame move and I also think he misunderstood the assignment and perhaps his religion as well.

Like, the whole stated point of these nights is to show underrepresented and marginalized communities that they're welcome to play and enjoy hockey.

And this dude is like, my religion doesn't allow that.

I'm no Russian Orthodox expert, but I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't mention anything about welcoming the LGBTQ community to play hockey with you. Probably doesn't say that you can't wear a rainbow jersey. I've read the Bible and I could have missed those parts, sure, or maybe they translate differently.

Total lack of nuance here from Provorov. No one's saying you have to be gay or anything, just that the door's open for gay folk to play hockey, too. Your religion doesn't say anything about a Pride night in Philadelphia.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

you by saying you agreed with Provorov.

What a stupid and ignorant statement. Provorov has done nothing to suggest he doesn’t think gay people should be included.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

What a stupid and ignorant statement. Provorov has done nothing to suggest he doesn’t think gay people should be included.

then he should have worn the jersey if he truly believed that. and round and round we go.

like I said, the rush to "defend" this guy is super weird. But alas here we are.

 

[OmNomNom]

 

[Captain3rdLine]

This argument is so stupid. One doesn't like the other because they don't tolerate people not accepting gay people. The other doesn't like gay people. The reason is f***ing irrelevant. You can hide behind your religion all you want as an excuse but maybe just maybe you should realize if your religion says a group of people are bad then that religion is f***ing bad.

A lot of aspects of religion are bad and people will blindly follow it. Doesn’t mean they’re shitty people.

The stupid argument that keeps coming up is saying that Provorov doesn’t accept gay people. Like please point to where he said that. He can not agree with and support something and someone’s choices but still accept them and respect them.