Around the League 2022-23 season thread - part II

[OmNomNom]

It more than borders on it…and this is exactly why teams would never compel the players to wear religious based stuff to begin with, because you would get people legit refusing to wear it on religious grounds and it’d be justified and there’d be a whole freedom of religion debate. There’s no debate on promoting rights and inclusion.

that i agree with (and for the record i'm both religious and in on inclusion)

i don't think anyone's bigoted in here moreso than defending the man's right to do that (just as everyone has a right to think he sucks).

but i think for religion/family (with how complex it is), we don't know everyone's upbringing and background. who knows? maybe provorov's family would be harassed in his community if he wore the warmup.

is it stupid? yes. but is it a legit concern (if it was the case)? could be. i'm not going to pretend to know someone's background and history, and he's not worth wasting any breath on. idk how this turned into people defending each other's beliefs and people labeling other devils' fans bigoted

 

[Call Me Al]

There is debate though as to whether that is all it is promoting.

no there isn’t

 

[MartyOwns]

There is debate though as to whether that is all it is promoting.

what’s the debate? what else is it promoting?

 

[njdevils1982]

 

[BahlDeep]

Let me put this clearly- if you don't believe that gay people deserve to be included, thats bigotry. I dont really care that its "based" in religion. At all. That religion sucks if thats one of their beliefs. Period.

Where did anyone say gay people don't deserve to be included? LOL

 

[NJDevs26]

what’s the debate? what else is it promoting?

The cynic says it encourages being gay (as opposed to just supporting gay people), which is ludicrous to me but even if that were the case it’s always been being straight that’s been the cool thing to do in society, if we can’t handle a few minutes of the publicity possibly going the other direction that’s an us issue

 

[HBK27]

what’s the debate? what else is it promoting?

It can be reasonably argued that it goes beyond solely supporting rights and inclusion and into broader LGBTQ+ issues, some of which are more controversial.

I'm not stating that to be the case, just that there is an argument for it.

 

[Guadana]

Let me put this clearly- if you don't believe that gay people deserve to be included, thats bigotry. I dont really care that its "based" in religion. At all. That religion sucks if thats one of their beliefs. Period.

Nice. I like it. You decide something and made a conclusion about whole religion by your own conclusion. Without making deep dive why exactly only one specific person act like he act with words he exactly saying. You prefer to paint him the way you prefer to paint him and judge.
Thats really nice.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

There is debate though as to whether that is all it is promoting.

Please expand. I can't wait to hear this.

Where did anyone say gay people don't deserve to be included? LOL

you by saying you agreed with Provorov.

 

[My3Sons]

Oh shit man, I made plans to go mountain biking this morning and it's already 10:30am.

What this idiot believes in is antiquated, everyone is free to love who they want, love knows no gender.

Cheers.

What sort of mountain biking do you do? I would love to be able to do some out west. Where I am the trails are all cross country with maybe a few hundred feet of elevation change from one end to the other. It was flat enough I put away the dual suspension and got a carbon hard tail. When was the last time you bought a new bike? They are getting to entry level motorcycle prices now. It’s nuts.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Nice. I like it. You decide something and made a conclusion about whole religion by your own conclusion. Without making deep dive why exactly only one specific person act like he act with words he exactly saying. You prefer to paint him the way you prefer to paint him and judge.
Thats really nice.

I don't need a deep dive to know if someone believes gays (or anyone for that matter) don't deserve to be included, then that religion sucks. Thats pretty cut and dry.

 

[Guadana]

I don't need a deep dive to know if someone believes gays (or anyone for that matter) don't deserve to be included, then that religion sucks. Thats pretty cut and dry.

He did say that?

 

[Brodeur]

Slafkovsky likely done for the rest of the season. Hopefully the Montreal press doesn't skewer him since Slaf was put in a tough situation.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

anyways, we can move on because we're far off the hockey rails here, and I take some responsibility for that so my bad.

Just get heated when bigotry is accepted.

 

[BahlDeep]

Please expand. I can't wait to hear this.



you by saying you agreed with Provorov.

LOL?

Alright brother, this is going no where.

Cheers.

 

[None Shall Pass]

I've been trying to make a joke that involves Provorov, Pride night, and the Flyers being at the bottom of the standings but I just can't come up with a good one.

 

[OmNomNom]

I don't need a deep dive to know if someone believes gays (or anyone for that matter) don't deserve to be included, then that religion sucks. Thats pretty cut and dry.

replying to you too as devils advocate - let's say prov doesn't actually believe in all the stuff his russian orthodox stuff that @Guttersniped linked, but his family (in russia) does. if he wears the rainbow and his family is put at risk, does that change anything? should he be risking his family's safety?

for the record i'm totally with you - as a christian myself, i disagree with the views and see no issue in supporting gay rights. but i grew up in a progressive western society and he didn't

 

[MasterofGrond]

“Worried about the wrong D” still the only good thing to come out of the provorov debacle

 

[OmNomNom]

I've been trying to make a joke that involves Provorov, Pride night, and the Flyers being at the bottom of the standings but I just can't come up with a good one.

something something power bottom something something

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

replying to you too as devils advocate - let's say prov doesn't actually believe in all the stuff his russian orthodox stuff that @Guttersniped linked, but his family (in russia) does. if he wears the rainbow and his family is put at risk, does that change anything? should he be risking his family's safety?

for the record i'm totally with you - as a christian myself, i disagree with the views and see no issue in supporting gay rights. but i grew up in a progressive western society and he didn't

but my question to you would be, how many Russians are there in the NHL? And how many times has this happened before?

 

[HBK27]

anyways, we can move on because we're far off the hockey rails here, and I take some responsibility for that so my bad.

Just get heated when bigotry is accepted.

Nobody here is accepting bigotry.

 

[OmNomNom]

anyways, we can move on because we're far off the hockey rails here, and I take some responsibility for that so my bad.

Just get heated when bigotry is accepted.

i really don't think anyone here finds it personally acceptable. but our country gives that man his right to say or stand by whatever he believes in (just as we have every right to criticize it), which is something his country doesn't have

but my question to you would be, how many Russians are there in the NHL? And how many times has this happened before?

fair point, but prov is the first i've heard of who's that hardcore of a russian orthodox. not all russians are part of that sect, i'd imagine.

edit: datsyuk is orthodox too, and there has been western backlash to him as well. but his playing days didn't have themed warmups

 

[Tundra]

Some intrepid reporter is going to ask Blackwood about Provorov. And Blackwood with his .895 save percentage is going to say "No Comment." It all depends on how you're playing these days and how anti-fragile you are. Conor McDavid has the luxury of saying whatever he wants. His playing stature is bigger than any manufactured outrage.

 

[MartyOwns]

The cynic says it encourages being gay (as opposed to just supporting gay people), which is ludicrous to me but even if that were the case it’s always been being straight that’s been the cool thing to do in society, if we can’t handle a few minutes of the publicity possibly going the other direction that’s an us issue

so caveman, idiotic thinking that being gay is a choice? and even if that was right, thinking being gay is a bad thing so we don’t want to encourage it? jesus this country is f***ed

It can be reasonably argued that it goes beyond solely supporting rights and inclusion and into broader LGBTQ+ issues, some of which are more controversial.

I'm not stating that to be the case, just that there is an argument for it.

no, there’s not. there’s assholes who use cherry picked religious texts to mask their bigotry. which, by the way, is provorov’s right. just like it’s my right to say he’s a brainwashed sack of monkey

 

[Guadana]

anyways, we can move on because we're far off the hockey rails here, and I take some responsibility for that so my bad.

Just get heated when bigotry is accepted.

He doesn`t say "I`m against gay people". He said "I`m ok with every choice, my religion blah blah blah". He can be homophobic, he can be against gay marriage, he can be against everything that happenes with kids genders, he can be against how this agenda represent every people who doesn`t agree with this agenda in every kind of shades of this agenda etc.

You literally said without understanding any context - culturic and historic, that my religion is bad automatically. This is exactly whay homophobic people said about gays few years ago, this is what colourphobic people said about colour people few years ago and made special places for them.
There are people even gay people who doesnt like modern culturic agenda that is trying to represent itself by automatically joining every gay\colour people to itself. I hear there are gay conservative people in USA who vote for respublikans.

If you can`t understand that some people can live\work\be friend with different people but will not agree with absolutely everything and will not join them in some aspects, you are making the same mistake you are trying to judge other people for.

As a russian jewish and orthodox christian jewish(live with that information how it can be even exist), I clearly understand how people are trying to bann some people only for the wish to stay themself.

Why am I saying all this at all.