Around the League - 2022-23 season thread part I

[NJDevs26]

Didn't Hynes sit Bratt so Hayden could play because Hayden's Dad was at a game? Or did I just make that up in my own mind?

Don’t get glen started lol

 

[Whaddagoal]

Of all the "JAGs" (to use @NjDevsRR tag) we had just only a couple of seasons ago...

Rooney
Anderson
Hayden

I think i liked Kevin Rooney the most. He seemed like the most legitmate of the players.

I remember Joey Anderson being here, and NJD media making a big deal when he signed that contract with Shero... (As if he was gonna be a star, they had a whole photo op article and all) and i kept thinking to myself, who the hell is this guy. I thought maybe he was connected to someones family or something in the organization.

Funny enough i remember that and none of his actual play here, despite 40 odd games.

Kevin Rooney... Yes i remembed him and was even slightly disappointed we didnt keep him around. I thought he may morph into a Coleman-lite at somepoint.

Hayden I remember people making noise here that he is useless and he basically could hardly even get a game in. Lol.

Im so glad that we dont have to deal with these kind of problems now. We have to talk about why our skilled players cant even get ice time (holtz) due to overwhelming depth. Soooo much better to deal with these kind of problems!! A guy like Mango in the minors. Can you imagine that 4 or 5 seasons ago...!

 

[Whaddagoal]

Bahahah what a goof. Shades of Vokoun and Ballard:

Jesus i forgot about this one. Thanks for memorily jog. And lol that it was on a Kovy goal!

Kovy used to tear up flordia back in the day. Had some crazy numbers against them.

Vokoun should have kicked Ballards ass back in the lockerroom.

 

[glenwo2]

Didn't Hynes sit Bratt so Hayden could play because Hayden's Dad was at a game? Or did I just make that up in my own mind?

Dude....I've been preaching that EVERYWHERE.

I guess you missed my ten....thousand posts about it.

Don’t get glen started lol

Too late.

 

[glenwo2]

Chabot....injures goaltenders....and his own teammates.

What an absolute dumbass.

 

[NJDevs26]

 

[glenwo2]

That man is not human.

NOT HUMAN.

 

[SKNJD9]

Ellie Tolvanen on waivers

 

[Better Call Sal]

Ellie Tolvanen on waivers

He was highly touted in the draft, wonder what the deal is.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I remember him being a highly touted prospect

 

[FinnishDevil]

I find it weird that he's on waivers cause he has pretty much worked on everything you'd hope one dimensional sniper to work on since coming to NA. As far as I've heard he's a good forechecker and looking at those defensive WAR numbers he's not a liability on the ice by any means.

Thing he has failed on has been production. Go look at his highlights on YT and you can see his shot is elite but he's still lacking on consistency.

I bet he'll end up a fine NHLer somewhere else. Not top line threat or 30 goal scorer, but a fine NHLer.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

someone will claim him.

 

[Bleedred]

Probably too young for Nashville, as well as likely too fast.

And he might not be grinder enough for them, as Nashville/Poile have long since favored grinders and menial skilled forwards. How many superstar forwards has Poile had in his 40 years of being a GM? Not many. A couple that he inherited or that were OLDER already when he got a hold of them.

I'm not sure much about Tolvanen as a player. Don't really follow him enough.

 

[FinnishDevil]

Probably too young for Nashville, as well as likely too fast.

And he might not be grinder enough for them, as Nashville/Poile have long since favored grinders and menial skilled forwards. How many superstar forwards has Poile had in his 40 years of being a GM? Not many. A couple that he inherited or that were OLDER already when he got a hold of them.

I'm not sure much about Tolvanen as a player. Don't really follow him enough.

Well when your all time scoring leader is David Legwand it says something.

Josi is about to pass him though. Forsberg is probably closest to the superstar forward. I dont remember how good Kariya was with them though.

 

[njdevils1982]

Probably too young for Nashville, as well as likely too fast.

And he might not be grinder enough for them, as Nashville/Poile have long since favored grinders and menial skilled forwards. How many superstar forwards has Poile had in his 40 years of being a GM? Not many. A couple that he inherited or that were OLDER already when he got a hold of them.

I'm not sure much about Tolvanen as a player. Don't really follow him enough.

what? no love for david legwand or martin erat?

 

[FinnishDevil]

I had to go check and Ryan Johansen is already 6th all time in points (4th all time forwards) for Preds. I always thought he was rather underwhelming. Talk about a defense heavy franchise.

Theyve always had good backend though. Vokoun, Rinne, Saros, Timonen, Weber, Suter, Ellis, Ekholm, Josi.. probably plenty good names I'm forgetting.

 

[Bleedred]

what? no love for david legwand or martin erat?

I wonder if there's a cult somewhere where people believe Legwand and Erat are better than Elias? Like the Desert Dusted bozos that claimed Doan was better than Elias?

I mean f***, Doan is better than BOTH of those guys!

I swore Legwand and Erat were like around the same age as Elias and Doan (which is like the same age as me), but they're actually like 4 and 5 years younger. I mean, I guess I didn't think Erat was that old, but I swore Legwand had to be born in 75 or 76. I don't know if it's because he had an old look about him or because he played well over a thousand games and has been out of the league for 7 or 8 years now.

He had a bozo the clown cut with his balding hair.

I should have actually known he couldn't have been born in 76, as he's the first Predators draft pick and they didn't start play/start drafting players until 1998.

I wanted to say he's a historically underwhelming 2nd overall pick, but his entire first round draft class after Lecavalier is really disappointing. A lot of guys that you know, but just didn't have long careers. Or guys like Manny Malhotra that basically became career 4th liners, with a few 30+ seasons.

And Mike Rupp at 9th overall.

Rico Feta Cheese Suave before all of them at 6th overall.

Vitaly Vishnevski at 5th overall.

Scott Gomez would go ahead of ALL those guys in a redraft.

 

[njdevils1982]

I wonder if there's a cult somewhere where people believe Legwand and Erat are better than Elias? Like the Desert Dusted bozos that claimed Doan was better than Elias?

I mean f***, Doan is better than BOTH of those guys!

I swore Legwand and Erat were like around the same age as Elias and Doan (which is like the same age as me), but they're actually like 4 and 5 years younger. I mean, I guess I didn't think Erat was that old, but I swore Legwand had to be born in 75 or 76. I don't know if it's because he had an old look about him or because he played well over a thousand games and has been out of the league for 7 or 8 years now.

He had a bozo the clown cut with his balding hair.

I should have actually known he couldn't have been born in 76, as he's the first Predators draft pick and they didn't start play/start drafting players until 1998.

I wanted to say he's a historically underwhelming 2nd overall pick, but his entire first round draft class after Lecavalier is really disappointing. A lot of guys that you know, but just didn't have long careers. Or guys like Manny Malhotra that basically became career 4th liners, with a few 30+ seasons.

And Mike Rupp at 9th overall.

Rico Feta Cheese Suave before all of them at 6th overall.

Vitaly Vishnevski at 5th overall.

Scott Gomez would go ahead of ALL those guys in a redraft.

hell, even mike van ryn was drafted before gomez

 

[Bleedred]

I had to go check and Ryan Johansen is already 6th all time in points (4th all time forwards) for Preds. I always thought he was rather underwhelming. Talk about a defense heavy franchise.

Theyve always had good backend though. Vokoun, Rinne, Saros, Timonen, Weber, Suter, Ellis, Ekholm, Josi.. probably plenty good names I'm forgetting.

Yeah, they've had good goalies and defensemen, but have ALWAYS lacked in good forwards, especially good drafted forwards. Unless you're gonna start counting guys like Duchene and Steve Sullivan that were older and past their primes when he got them.

It was the same thing with the Caps when he was their GM. They had some good defensemen and they had a good goalie in Kolzig. There's one defenseman we all know of that he had there that's now in the HOF. I'm not 100% sure he was drafted after Poile took over or not, but he took over the year he was drafted.

Mike Gartner was a good forward and in the HOF, but he was there before Poile.

Who was the best forward the Caps had under Poile that was either acquired or drafted by him? Was it Petr Bondra? They had a couple of good guys come in and out, but not many.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Rico Feta Cheese Suave before all of them at 6th overall.

Lol. I just spat out my coffee reading this

 

[FinnishDevil]

Yeah, they've had good goalies and defensemen, but have ALWAYS lacked in good forwards, especially good drafted forwards. Unless you're gonna start counting guys like Duchene and Steve Sullivan that were older and past their primes when he got them.

It was the same thing with the Caps when he was their GM. They had some good defensemen and they had a good goalie in Kolzig. There's one defenseman we all know of that he had there that's now in the HOF. I'm not 100% sure he was drafted after Poile took over or not, but he took over the year he was drafted.

Mike Gartner was a good forward and in the HOF, but he was there before Poile.

Who was the best forward the Caps had under Poile that was either acquired or drafted by him? Was it Petr Bondra? They had a couple of good guys come in and out, but not many.

I know Poile is one of your personal favorites when it comes to NHL GMs, but he's probably been bit stuck on that defense wins championships mantra ever since he started his GM career in the stone age. I guess he's a dinosaur stuck in the dead puck era with all his top-4 dmen and elite goalies.

Although I did like the Jones for Johansen trade at the time. Jones kinda fell to his lap at the draft and he was smart to utilize that to try to get a franchise forward. Johansen just couldnt live up to expectations.

Funny to think if we would be talking about Stanley Cup winning GM David Poile if Johansen played in that final against Pittsburgh though.

 

[Bleedred]

I know Poile is one of your personal favorites when it comes to NHL GMs, but he's probably been bit stuck on that defense wins championships mantra ever since he started his GM career in the stone age. I guess he's a dinosaur stuck in the dead puck era with all his top-4 dmen and elite goalies.

Although I did like the Jones for Johansen trade at the time. Jones kinda fell to his lap at the draft and he was smart to utilize that to try to get a franchise forward. Johansen just couldnt live up to expectations.

Funny to think if we would be talking about Stanley Cup winning GM David Poile if Johansen played in that final against Pittsburgh though.

Don't get me wrong, Poile isn't a particularly (well he probably is now) BAD general manager, but he's just gotten way too many miles and years out of his GM jobs for what little success he's had.

There's probably been worse GM's (Jay Feaster lol) that have won the cup. I mean f***, I think Jim Rutherford for the most part SUCKS as a GM and he has THREE cups as a GM. So I don't think Poile sucks just because he doesn't have a cup, but I also don't believe he's as great as his job security and long tenures would leave you to believe he is.

He's been a GM for over 40 years now and has only made the cup finals once and conference finals twice. I don't think you're gonna find any other GM's that got to stay in the league as a GM for that long without a cup win. I think it's unlikely to ever happen again, that we see a GM serve that many years in the league as a head general manager without a cup win.

I don't think his career is bad, but I don't think he's an all time great either. To me his HHOF standing will be the same as why Patrick Marleau will probably get in, and that's longevity as a GM. The same way I think Marleau will get in only because of that all times games played record, but Marleau is a hall of very good player without that. Better players than Marleau have been left out and will never get in.

 

[Alex NJD]

Last summer when I was in Nashville some locals at a bar were insisting that Tolvanen was a lock for 30 goals that year and was a star in the making. Wherever those dudes are I hope they're taking the news ok

 

[MauDevils]

He won't make it to us, but I'd take him if Wood and Bastian are out for a while.

I'm sure he's an upgrade over 4th line winger Brendan Smith.

 

[Bleedred]

He won't make it to us, but I'd take him if Wood and Bastian are out for a while.

I'm sure he's an upgrade over 4th line winger Brendan Smith.

Wood practiced today and says he's ready to go for tomorrow night.