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SeaOfBlue said:
They'd probably trade Barrie the other way.
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They would have to. Plus another roster player at the minimum just to make cap work even if the Sharks ate 50% which I can't see happening for 3 years.

It would be fun to see McDavid and Karlsson together.
 
Jojalu said:
They would have to. Plus another roster player at the minimum just to make cap work even if the Sharks ate 50% which I can't see happening for 3 years.

It would be fun to see McDavid and Karlsson together.
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McD and EK will be like Mack and Makar on steroids
 
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If your team meets Rangers in the final, you will not win unless a key player gets hurt on their team:

Goalie - Rags - more consistent
1D - Rags
Other Ds - match
Top 2 lines - slightly to TML, but closely match, with their addition of Tarasenko
PP - match
bottom 2 lines - Rags
depth - Rags
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rags

Your team will need to add a top-impact player with cup-winning experience. You may need to give up a 1st rounder for that. Even if it is a rental, It will be worth it. If you do not do this this year, next season will be tougher, with Edmonton getting better and Bedard will lead his team to the cup in 3 years if any Eastern team lands him.
 
dlawong said:
If your team meets Rangers in the final, you will not win unless a key player gets hurt on their team:

Goalie - Rags - more consistent
1D - Rags
Other Ds - match
Top 2 lines - slightly to TML, but closely match, with their addition of Tarasenko
PP - match
bottom 2 lines - Rags
depth - Rags
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rags

Your team will need to add a top-impact player with cup-winning experience. You may need to give up a 1st rounder for that. Even if it is a rental, It will be worth it. If you do not do this this year, next season will be tougher, with Edmonton getting better and Bedard will lead his team to the cup in 3 years if any Eastern team lands him.
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Is there a quoted post im missing or did you just decide to do a random Leafs v. NYR breakdown?
 
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dlawong said:
If your team meets Rangers in the final, you will not win unless a key player gets hurt on their team:

Goalie - Rags - more consistent
1D - Rags
Other Ds - match
Top 2 lines - slightly to TML, but closely match, with their addition of Tarasenko
PP - match
bottom 2 lines - Rags
depth - Rags
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rags

Your team will need to add a top-impact player with cup-winning experience. You may need to give up a 1st rounder for that. Even if it is a rental, It will be worth it. If you do not do this this year, next season will be tougher, with Edmonton getting better and Bedard will lead his team to the cup in 3 years if any Eastern team lands him.
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Rangers?

We're not even getting past Tampa or Boston. Rangers don't come into the equation at all.
 
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dlawong said:
If your team meets Rangers in the final, you will not win unless a key player gets hurt on their team:

Goalie - Rags - more consistent
1D - Rags
Other Ds - match
Top 2 lines - slightly to TML, but closely match, with their addition of Tarasenko
PP - match
bottom 2 lines - Rags
depth - Rags
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rags

Your team will need to add a top-impact player with cup-winning experience. You may need to give up a 1st rounder for that. Even if it is a rental, It will be worth it. If you do not do this this year, next season will be tougher, with Edmonton getting better and Bedard will lead his team to the cup in 3 years if any Eastern team lands him.
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You are overrating the Rangers a fair bit.

This is their top 6 with Tarasenko:

Panarin - Zibanejad - Tarasenko
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey

Panarin and Zibanejad are good, but are we putting them ahead of Matthews/Marner? I don't know about that. Even then, Tarasenko + Kreider + Trocheck are not close to Bunting + Nylander + Tavares... And Jarnkrok is miles ahead of Vesey. So it is much more than a "slight" edge to the Leafs, even after they added Tarasenko. Without Tarasenko they don't even come close to our top 6.

Their 3rd line puts up more offense. They do also get a lot more offensive minutes than ours, and give up more goals. And that is following a hot streak for that line recently (especially Chytil). Their 4th line sucks. Ours is nothing special and could certainly be improved, but Goodrow gets caved in a lot for a defensive forward, and Leschychin and Gauthier (and Kravtsov) are not even good enough to crack our lineup at all. Our depth guys are better than them ('them' not including Goodrow), and are far better than their depth guys. Their bottom 6 may have a slight edge, but that is also likely where the Leafs focus their efforts to improve. Rangers have already spent their bullet on Tarasenko and are unlikely to do more.

Their top pairing is excellent. No doubt. Their 2nd pairing is really bad at 5-on-5. Worse than ours. Miller makes up for it in other areas, but Trouba has had his fair share of struggles this year. Their bottom pairing is still bad though. They have had a rotating door of AHL caliber 3LD and then added Mikkola, who is not that good of a defenseman himself. Schneider's actual numbers are extremely good, but he gets caved in like crazy. Then of course, Shestyerkin has the clear edge on Samsonov, even though Shestyerkin hasn't really outplayed Samsonov this year. So between goaltending and defense, the Rangers are better... But not by enough where I would say it is a clear advantage.

Speed-wise, I have no idea how fast the Rangers' guys really are so we'll just say it is a match. Certainly not an area of concern for the Leafs though. We aren't Carolina or anything but we have no issue counter-attacking or handling speed.

Physicality-wise, the only guys I would really concern myself with on the Rangers is the Miller-Trouba pairing. The rest of the team is not going to physically overmatch us. I mean Trocheck has the most hits of any forward (and any player outside of Trouba) and he has a full highlight reel of guys completely laying him out. Mikkola and Schneider can lay out some hits but I wouldn't be surprised if they even play any kind of significant minutes in the playoffs.

Goalie - Rangers - edge for resume, but match based on this year.
Top 2 lines - Leafs
PP - match, but the Leafs have a lot more potential for this to be a difference maker.
PK - Leafs (not huge, but could be enough to be the difference)
Defense - Rangers (slightly)
Bottom 6 - Rangers (slightly)
Depth - Leafs (not even close)
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rangers, but not really of any consequence.

And then the key thing here is that the Rangers are likely not going to be able to add anyone else. They spent their bullet on Tarasenko and Mikkola. The Leafs will likely get a guy who will, directly or indirectly, improve their bottom 6 on top of being able to add Knies to the mix as a major wild card. That could also positively impact the other areas of the team too. If the Leafs do the right things, the only areas where the Rangers may have the edge is Shestyerkin and maybe a slight edge on defense considering their physicality will almost certainly not be enough to make a difference. Meanwhile, the Leafs would have an edge on pretty much everything up front, depth, and special teams. I would take the Leafs' edge and count on Samsonov (or Murray) coming up big in the playoffs.

Also Bedard is not guaranteeing any team a Cup any more than McDavid is guaranteeing Edmonton one or Matthews is guaranteeing the Leafs one. McDavid has been there for 7 years and EDM has been a massive disappointment pretty much the entire time. They failed to make the playoffs 3 times since he has joined the team, and they are on the bubble this year. They had a magical run in an extremely weak division last year, only to get chumped once they had to play a legit team. Leafs haven't been able to get out of the first round in 6 years since Matthews has been here, but at least look more poised to break through than EDM has at any point.
 
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Just one thing though - goalies' performance can make a huge difference in the off-season. If you are betting money, would you put on the Rag starter or TML starter? If the Rag goalie is out, then yes they will not go far.
 
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dlawong said:
If your team meets Rangers in the final, you will not win unless a key player gets hurt on their team:

Goalie - Rags - more consistent
1D - Rags
Other Ds - match
Top 2 lines - slightly to TML, but closely match, with their addition of Tarasenko
PP - match
bottom 2 lines - Rags
depth - Rags
Speed - match
Physical edge (hits) - Rags

Your team will need to add a top-impact player with cup-winning experience. You may need to give up a 1st rounder for that. Even if it is a rental, It will be worth it. If you do not do this this year, next season will be tougher, with Edmonton getting better and Bedard will lead his team to the cup in 3 years if any Eastern team lands him.
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Do the Rangers even get past Carolina?
 
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The fact that Rangers got the 2nd best goalies in the league who is capable of stealing any series is something that I don’t think anyone should bet against even if they are against the Bruins.
 
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