Just like when the Dubas supporters can "understand the thought process" behind his bad moves. I can "understand the thought process" behind Kadri's bad moves.4.5 AAV
Dubas fans keep forgeting this is a cap league where COMPETENT GMs have to put together a competitive team under the cap and not blow their load on few players and pretend that they are the second coming of Einstein and first in hockey.
On top of that from Kadri's article he himself wrote:
I Am Who I Am | By Nazem Kadri
I’ve always been someone who, if I’m told I can’t do something … it just makes me want it so much more.www.theplayerstribune.com
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mapleleafs34
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Was just coming in here to say this.
Edmonton are the biggest frauds, getting carried by 3 players who make their GM look like all his moves were genius
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He should bring it to Kyle Dubas's office
Sakic was bang on with his trade deadline acquisitions although I thought the prices paid were incredibly high.
Just take it straight to Dubas’ office
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It's tough watching this Colorado team.
We were right there with them during the rebuild. It was the Leafs, the Jets, the Avalanche and the Lightning - the 4 teams people thought would be contenders for the next "Blackhawks" style dynasty.
Jets got their deep runs and now are retooling.
Lightning...well, enough said.
Avalanche look like they have finally found the recipe of talent and depth to make a real run.
Here we are, talking about the carousel of players who slide in and out of the line up on a year to year basis, not a single playoff round won.
Where did we go so wrong?
1. We started winning too quickly. We needed to have 1 or 2 more solid drafts, and we needed to address goaltending and defence. Our defence was quite strong this year, but it pales in comparison to COL or TBay. Needed 1 more top pairing guy via the draft. Signing Tavares was the nail in the coffin - it was 2 years too soon to make that move.
2. Bled too much talent. Crazy how much talent we simply let walk because "we are competing". Tbay traded Miller, Avs traded Duchene. You can't just let your talent walk for nothing for 6 years then wonder why there is a lack of quality depth in the org.
3. Drafting. The Lou-Hunter era has set us back 3-4 years, and Dubas hasn't helped by dealing away 2 first round picks in years where the team accomplished nothing. We have no Lundell, no Byram stepping in. I have high hopes for Knies, but we needed to hit on more to fill out the bottom 6.
Now, here we are, sitting in the bottom half of the league in farm rankings, with no success to show for the prime years of our best players. We still may see success, but this core should have seen Cup Finals by this point. They should be like a boogeyman in the East, the main rival of the Lightning. Instead, people are wondering if they can ever win a round.
Sorry for the Eyeore-esque post, but watching the last few nights really reminds me that I've spent most of my adult life watching other teams play exciting playoff hockey.
We were right there with them during the rebuild. It was the Leafs, the Jets, the Avalanche and the Lightning - the 4 teams people thought would be contenders for the next "Blackhawks" style dynasty.
Jets got their deep runs and now are retooling.
Lightning...well, enough said.
Avalanche look like they have finally found the recipe of talent and depth to make a real run.
Here we are, talking about the carousel of players who slide in and out of the line up on a year to year basis, not a single playoff round won.
Where did we go so wrong?
1. We started winning too quickly. We needed to have 1 or 2 more solid drafts, and we needed to address goaltending and defence. Our defence was quite strong this year, but it pales in comparison to COL or TBay. Needed 1 more top pairing guy via the draft. Signing Tavares was the nail in the coffin - it was 2 years too soon to make that move.
2. Bled too much talent. Crazy how much talent we simply let walk because "we are competing". Tbay traded Miller, Avs traded Duchene. You can't just let your talent walk for nothing for 6 years then wonder why there is a lack of quality depth in the org.
3. Drafting. The Lou-Hunter era has set us back 3-4 years, and Dubas hasn't helped by dealing away 2 first round picks in years where the team accomplished nothing. We have no Lundell, no Byram stepping in. I have high hopes for Knies, but we needed to hit on more to fill out the bottom 6.
Now, here we are, sitting in the bottom half of the league in farm rankings, with no success to show for the prime years of our best players. We still may see success, but this core should have seen Cup Finals by this point. They should be like a boogeyman in the East, the main rival of the Lightning. Instead, people are wondering if they can ever win a round.
Sorry for the Eyeore-esque post, but watching the last few nights really reminds me that I've spent most of my adult life watching other teams play exciting playoff hockey.
Huh? How were we considered the same rebuild
As the avs? Or lightning?
The avs “core” was
Duchene (2009) or rielly (2009) landeskog(2011) mackinnon (2013). Barrie and varlamov.
They got their star in 2013. Made the playoffs and were expected to be contenders way before. The avs missed like 4 of their 6 years since mackinnon.
Tampa got their stars in 2008 and 2009.
The Jets were a playoff team that had a bad 2016 and won a lottery to pick Second overall.
They had 1 good run to the final 4
This just isn’t true.
The leafs contemporaries in rebuild were Arizona. Buffalo. And maybe Edmonton if you ignore the multiple lotteries.
The future battle was Auston vs jack.
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robertmac43
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Kadri could have had a hat trick in both of these games. The guy is absolutely buzzing! Miss him.
Kurtz
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You're off here. Lightning drafted Hedman in 2009 - their rebuild happened about half a decade before ours started. Colorado was earlier too. And no one had ever proposed a Winnipeg dynasty...
Our rebuild was on the same timeline as Edmonton and Buffalo - folks speculated about a future dominated by Mcdavid, Matthews and Eichel and a rivalry to rule the league by those 3 teams.
Theres a fair bit of revisionist history going on in here but its amusing to watch.
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The Leafs had the unfortunate "punishment" of having their good young players break out on their ELC's, unlike the Avs and the Lightning. Remember that Nathan MacKinnon's cap hit is half of that of Connor McDavid. The same thing happened to Chicago, but Chicago circumvented the cap to help them with the salary issues.
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I'd even go further and say often there is a SC Finalist that clearly is worse (Dallas/Montreal) most recent examples
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It is all about timing IMO. This was probably it for Sakic to go all in before Mack's new contract with Kadri being a pending UFA and other RFA deals coming up.
Sometimes you have to pay the price to have a crack at it. I think Avs could have gone all the way couple years ago too if they didn't lose both their goalies (starter and back-up); were playing a 3rd stringer in net and also had other injuries to their forward and d line up.
Even then they took dallas to game 7 OT. Dallas made the cup finals that year
SeaOfBlue
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Seems like if the Leafs' players want to get paid a little bit more, they should just start winning some more rounds
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Our rebuild began earlier than that. 2008 we got schenn 5th, 2009 Kadri 7th, 2010 and 2011 Burke screwed up with the Kessel pucks being so high and then 2012 we got Rielly.
We were drafting high since the late 00s just like the the Bolts and the Avs
We drafted poorly in 08, Kadri wasnt ever a star but a good 2C/top 6 player and didn't have our picks in 10 and 11
Avs kept Duchene/Landy from their late 00s/early 10s picks
Bolts got Stamkos and Hedman in 08 and 09 which kicked off their rebuild
Leafs botched their original rebuild just like Tampa/Avs/Edmonton
Kurtz
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That's a different era and different rebuild that Burke botched by ending it prematurely with the Kessel trade. The rebuild we're talking about here happened when Fletcher was hired to clean out the house and Shanaplan came aboard to really get it started. That's when we drafted our core that folks expected to possibly turn into a dynasty.
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Montreal. I wouldn’t want Jesus to return in the middle of Montreal playoff loss.
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