GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Dekes For Days]

I don't share the same faith in the prospect pool. Outside of a couple of guys, I'm not sure there are too many NHLers, let alone impact players in the group.

We have quite a few guys who could challenge for an NHL spot in the next couple years, including a few who have the potential to make a decent impact. We're obviously unlikely to get a Matthews/Marner/Nylander tier player, but we don't really need that.

Do you expect the depth to improve this upcoming season or get worse?

I think it's a bit early to tell if or how much it will improve, but I'm confident that it won't be worse.

The three latter are horrible signings, no question.

Quite the hyperbole. Not being as good as the former 3 doesn't make them "horrible".

 

[Ziggdiezan]

We have quite a few guys who could challenge for an NHL spot in the next couple years, including a few who have the potential to make a decent impact. We're obviously unlikely to get a Matthews/Marner/Nylander tier player, but we don't really need that.

I think it's a bit early to tell if or how much it will improve, but I'm confident that it won't be worse.

Quite the hyperbole. Not being as good as the former 3 doesn't make them "horrible".

Could be too early, after the goalie gets sorted out it will become more clear. If they bring in a bona-fide number 1 I'm guessing we will see the depth suffer with Kerfoot, Mikheyev etc leaving

 

[Nineteen67]

We have quite a few guys who could challenge for an NHL spot in the next couple years, including a few who have the potential to make a decent impact. We're obviously unlikely to get a Matthews/Marner/Nylander tier player, but we don't really need that.

I think it's a bit early to tell if or how much it will improve, but I'm confident that it won't be worse.

Quite the hyperbole. Not being as good as the former 3 doesn't make them "horrible".

They’re horrible signings for a playoff team.

 

[deprw]

Dubas selling asset to win now, when the team was nowhere ready. Not to mention his own coach knew that Barrie wasn't a player that cups are won with. Can't tell Dubas that though - he was the boy genius.

We were actually Kadri on the ice instead of in the press box away from taking Bruins down, so trading pieces for success wasn't that far fetched. Kadri was in the press box two years in a row, when we had most important games of the season. Did the same in one year with the Avalanche.

That was worst cap crunch incoming of Dubas era and we were still lacking top4 defenseman, so we had to give up some assets from somewhere. We had two +20min centers, so keeping Kadri wasn't that important in that point. He also needed fresh start and it was same with fans.

His suspension wasn't well liked here. I'm happy for Kadri and I know pretty well that Barrie didn't succeed here. It was though pretty good gamble in that point, but there wasn't chemistry between Muzzin and Barrie.

We still have prime asset left in Kerfoot and in most cases we should have traded Kadri away later, because we needed cap allocation for defense. We were all pretty concerned about his trade value slumping in third line, so timeline was ok.

I hate revisionist history written three years after the trade and forgetting every little detail on the way. In hindsight it's easy to say that we should have thrown away that 2019-2020 season and kept Marleau and the assets. Rosen and Marincin on the defense, but I think that we might have not liked that back then...

 

[ToneDog]

Could be too early, after the goalie gets sorted out it will become more clear. If they bring in a bona-fide number 1 I'm guessing we will see the depth suffer with Kerfoot, Mikheyev etc leaving

A trade for a bonifide #1 will cost you Nylander not Kerfoot or any other depth forward. Mik could be brought back but I doubt it. I really can't wait to see what how they address the goaltending situation.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

On the flip side, we mostly agree that Holl is coming out of the lineup, with Giordano full time, and Sandin and Liljegren in their second years.... All three of the latter will likely improve either upon Holl, or their own offense from last year. So we are likely to see a boost from the backend offensively.

More than just improving the bottom six in the regular season, we need for them to improve in the playoffs, which frankly is a pretty low bar.

Ya the development of those two blueliners will be key. Leafs don't seem to get enough goals from their blueliners in general. I would like to see a very athletic partner for Sandin at some point to help cover up his skating deficiencies.

Ya agreed, the leafs need a depth player who is a natural shooter who can still put up goals when the play gets tight in the playoffs.

Hopefully dubas has his targets and a plan because I think it will be tough to ice a better team than last year for the upcoming season without spending a lot of futures

 

[Ziggdiezan]

A trade for a bonifide #1 will cost you Nylander not Kerfoot or any other depth forward. Mik could be brought back but I doubt it. I really can't wait to see what how they address the goaltending situation.

More those guys would have to be let go to fit in the cap of a number 1 goalie. I dont think Dubas will trade Nylander, he seems like a man of his word.

 

[TheDoldrums]

suddenly makes a lot more sense why this clown always acts up when playing us

 

[ShaneFalco]

A trade for a bonifide #1 will cost you Nylander not Kerfoot or any other depth forward. Mik could be brought back but I doubt it. I really can't wait to see what how they address the goaltending situation.

Dubas could go with Hutch next year and there would be people here backing him

 

[Fogelhund]

Dubas could go with Hutch next year and there would be people here backing him

Dubas could also go with Vasilevskiy next year, and there would be people criticizing him.

 

[Nineteen67]

A trade for a bonifide #1 will cost you Nylander not Kerfoot or any other depth forward. Mik could be brought back but I doubt it. I really can't wait to see what how they address the goaltending situation.

They’re going to ship Mrazek, sign Campbell, sign Engvall cheap, sign the two RFA D cheap, Lyubushkin and bring up Marlies to fill out the remaining roster spots.

 

[uncleben]

Dubas could go with Hutch next year and there would be people here backing him

Dubas could go with a Superman-Frankenstein of Shestyorkin, Vasilevskiy, and Markstrom next year and there would still be people doom-and-glooming him

Never going to make everyone happy


EDIT: lol Fogel had it

Dubas could also go with Vasilevskiy next year, and there would be people criticizing him.

 

[kb]

Habs indicted they’ll be aggressive in free agency

I say they’re the favourites for Kadri.

People lament the Tavares contact amidst his decline but he’s the same age as Naz. Good for Kadri to have the year he’s had but giving him a long term deal for it could look bad quickly.

Prior to this season, Naz's best fullish 82 game season was 61 points. Nylander's worst fullish 82 game season was 61 points. For context.

The contract will already aging badly before it ever gets close to being inked IMO. The Leafs need to steer clear of his retirement contract.

 

[Burnie97]

suddenly makes a lot more sense why this clown always acts up when playing us

Yup no shit. This guy is a POS.

Not many guys I dislike more in the league.

I'd love to see him on a rebuilding habs where we crush them.

Somehow the games are always close no matter how good or bad each team is it seems but you'd love the extra side stories to make it a better rivalry again.

 

[Trapper]

suddenly makes a lot more sense why this clown always acts up when playing us

Habs could add Dubois, Kadri and the 1st overall pick this summer. Not bad.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

We have quite a few guys who could challenge for an NHL spot in the next couple years, including a few who have the potential to make a decent impact. We're obviously unlikely to get a Matthews/Marner/Nylander tier player, but we don't really need that.

I think it's a bit early to tell if or how much it will improve, but I'm confident that it won't be worse.

Quite the hyperbole. Not being as good as the former 3 doesn't make them "horrible".

Who do you think falls into the category of making a decent impact. Knies hopefully, but best case that's end of next season and he'll likely require some adjustment time. Other than that, I really don't see anything. A few guys that might crack the lineup, but IMO that's out of necessity rather than on merit.

I'm not buying Robertson stock, yet. So far he looks like what baseball would call a "AAAA player". Very good for the AHL, but so far, not nearly impactful enough for the NHL.

The Finnish defensemen I'm going to have to see more of. I hate that they are so small, but as we have seen, small players can sometimes make a big impact. Can they? I don't see it, but hopefully they can be NHLers.

Perhaps I'm just not as familiar with the farm system (here and in Europe) to know who the key prospects are, but none of them strike me as anything to get too excited about.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Habs could add Dubois, Kadri and the 1st overall pick this summer. Not bad.

If I were Montreal I wouldn't trade assets for a guy who would seemingly sign for free in 2024. I'd also want to stay bad for one more year for a good pick in the 2023 draft.

 

[Trapper]

If I were Montreal I wouldn't trade assets for a guy who would seemingly sign for free in 2024. I'd also want to stay bad for one more year for a good pick in the 2023 draft.

What you say makes sense, trouble is Montreal fans have limited patience as well and have a standard of always winning.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[horner]

I didn't know Cooper was such a great swimmer, his back peddle is really good.

 

[hamzarocks]

Dubas could also go with Vasilevskiy next year, and there would be people criticizing him.

People that don't like Dubas won't give him credit for any of his good moves

People who are his biggest fans neglect any of his errors and faults

He's not a bad GM but we are desperate for results. It's going to be his 5th year. Half a decade as a GM is a significant period of time. Only 1 less year than the entire Kessel/Phaneuf era

If he's dead set on sticking to his beliefs where he:

Keeps the core 4 forwards and is unwilling to deal any of them

Keeps Keefe as our HC despite 3 straight series losses

Doesn't invest I to getting a solidified and proven 1G despite goaltending being faulted as a major reason for our losses the past few years

Then he's not going to find many defenses should we lose a 5th straight time in the 1st round under his management

He's stated many many times that he's willing to bet his career on his way of managment and team managment.

5 years is enough time to accept that he's been given the opportunities and has failed to deliver. He needs to be removed next year should we lose in the 1st round after refusing to change the core/coaching/goaltending on the team

Hea running out of time with large pay raises on the horizon for 3 of our big 4 players if they wish to come back here.

Need to show some real progression next season.

 

[SprDaVE]

This guy... This guy...

 

[TheDoldrums]

Hea running out of time with large pay raises on the horizon for 3 of our big 4 players if they wish to come back here.

I don't see "large" pay raises for Matthews or Marner tbh. I mean they're already very high lol. Matthews can set his price but I think after all the first round exits he might appreciate how not going for max dollars can help his legacy. And I don't think Marner is deserving or able to get a large pay raise tbh.

 

[hamzarocks]

I don't see "large" pay raises for Matthews or Marner tbh. I mean they're already very high lol. Matthews can set his price but I think after all the first round exits he might appreciate how not going for max dollars can help his legacy. And I don't think Marner is deserving or able to get a large pay raise tbh.

Marner is a 100 pt 2 way winger

He'll be the highest paid winger in the league in his next deal

Panarin as a 85-90 point winger got 11.637 I think and became the 2nd highest AAV behind 97

If Matthews takes 13.5(2ishM increase)

Marner comes around 13M (2ishM increase). He's going to want to be paid similarly to Matthews whose seen his production skyrocket since playing with 16 as opposed to other wingers

Obviously Nylander if he repeats as a ppg winger is looking at 9M

About 6.5M in increases should be expected between the year. If JT/his replacement comes for 4-5M then we could afford the raises. If he wants 7-8M it means it's super tough to get them in.

Matthews mind you could go for a larger than 13.5M contract but I don't think he'd go above this. He'll be at around 175M in career earnings if he signed an 13.5Mx8 with us and that's only his three contracts signed

No office ice marketing money included.

Matthews likely has a shot at earning between 200M - 300M in career earnings as a player. His 4th deal would only be at 34M and he could make another 50M on a 5 year deal if he stayed healthy and elite in his mid 30s

 

[Trapper]

Marner is a 100 pt 2 way winger

He'll be the highest paid winger in the league in his next deal

Panarin as a 85-90 point winger got 11.637 I think and became the 2nd highest AAV behind 97

If Matthews takes 13.5(2ishM increase)

Marner comes around 13M (2ishM increase). He's going to want to be paid similarly to Matthews whose seen his production skyrocket since playing with 16 as opposed to other wingers

Obviously Nylander if he repeats as a ppg winger is looking at 9M

About 6.5M in increases should be expected between the year. If JT/his replacement comes for 4-5M then we could afford the raises. If he wants 7-8M it means it's super tough to get them in.

Matthews mind you could go for a larger than 13.5M contract but I don't think he'd go above this. He'll be at around 175M in career earnings if he signed an 13.5Mx8 with us and that's only his three contracts signed

No office ice marketing money included.

Matthews likely has a shot at earning between 200M - 300M in career earnings as a player. His 4th deal would only be at 34M and he could make another 50M on a 5 year deal if he stayed healthy and elite in his mid 30s

Which will probably put Nylander at 9.5/10 ask on his next deal. Can’t see him willing to take 5 million less. That’s why you move him now, find a core guy who you can have signed for 6 years at a lower cost. And a player that fills a future area like C or D.