GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Nineteen67]

Even if you go with minors, Colorado is barely ahead 4 rounds in.

To make it even more amazing, In game 1 against Nashville they had 7 penalties and 19 in the series. Nash had 20, for reference.

ETA, the Leafs and Tampa had a mini donnybrook in game one, and Clifford had a 5 min boarding penalty. Thats ~ 50 mins right there.

 

[Nineteen67]

Your talent means nothing if you don't have a point shot. Anyone who watches the Leafs will just box out Matthews. Lets face it, Marner doesn't scare you with a shot and JT is front of the net

You need a hard shot from the point, a shot that other teams will respect. If I played against Reilly, I'll let him shoot all day and he won't.

There's your problem

Regular season, we get to play Ottawa, Montreal. You get to play backup goalies, players who are from AHL an rookies. In playoff, you get to play a team that made it and is good enough to be there. You play Vasi night in night out. Those teams will adjust

It doesn’t have to be hard, just quick. Both Hedman and Stamkos score with one-timers from point.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[stickty111]

Opponents like our team more than some of our own fans do

 

[Nineteen67]

I bet he told his team that if everyone pulls the rope in the same direction, with all they have, we can beat this team and hoist the Cup. Take no shifts off.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I don't understand why we were so stubborn with it. We have so much skill that we should have different setups for different situations. It was pretty clear after two games that Tampa's PK had our number, even if we change sides of Marner and Matthews it makes a difference. Same going with Matthews and Nylander on the wings and put Marner behind the net and then you can switch it back.

At this point, it's the players. We've had 3 PP coaches in 5 years and it's done this every year once things tighten up: a dreadful end of season, followed by a dreadful playoffs.

When we signed JT, this was supposed to be an unstoppable unit, and instead, it's been something that holds us back.

 

[deprw]

At this point, it's the players. We've had 3 PP coaches in 5 years and it's done this every year once things tighten up: a dreadful end of season, followed by a dreadful playoffs.

When we signed JT, this was supposed to be an unstoppable unit, and instead, it's been something that holds us back.

PP is odd game, you don't have to be elite to be great PP player. I think it's about flexibility and finding right roles more than anything. Off course you need some elite players. Penguins had time to time problems with their PP even when they had Crosby, Letang and Malkin in their prime.

Tavares is elite in front of the net and we have Nylander-Marner-Matthews who should figure it out how they move the puck. If Rielly had that point shot...

 

[SeaOfBlue]

PP is odd game, you don't have to be elite to be great PP player. I think it's about flexibility and finding right roles more than anything. Off course you need some elite players. Penguins had time to time problems with their PP even when they had Crosby, Letang and Malkin in their prime.

Tavares is elite in front of the net and we have Nylander-Marner-Matthews who should figure it out how they move the puck. If Rielly had that point shot...

We need to get over Rielly and the point shot. PP's rarely even use that point shot unless it is a wrister into traffic, which is something Rielly can and should use more often on the PP. Nobody is taking bombs from the top, as defensemen with heavy shots like Weber and Chychrun are used in the circles (where we have Nylander and Matthews).

 

[BTP]

Colorado is a Leafs Team that knows how to kill off an opponent + Makar. To me thats the difference.
Leafs-Avs final would have been the most insane final possible entertainment wise.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Colorado is a Leafs Team that knows how to kill off an opponent + Makar. To me thats the difference.
Leafs-Avs final would have been the most insane final possible entertainment wise.

I think Colorado's top 4 is the major difference. Makar, Toews, and Byram are all dynamic and can push the pace to create offense. It was basically only Rielly for the Leafs as Muzzin, Holl, Gio, and Lyub aren't exactly offensive forces. The other one who could create some plays was glued to the press box.

A 21 year old D playing a huge role for a cup contender. How come he isn't being punished for his inexperience?

 

[Apotheosis]

Colorado is a Leafs Team that knows how to kill off an opponent + Makar. To me thats the difference.
Leafs-Avs final would have been the most insane final possible entertainment wise.

Colorado is the Leafs on crack. Makar is tiers above any D we have and Toews very similar. They also have a deeper D core and moderately better goaltending and Mackinnon is a better playoff performer than any of our stars.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The Dcores of these teams are just so far ahead of us. Is Byram already better than Mo? Would Sergachev be on our top pairing?

Hurts, man. I think our D core is light years ahead of where we've been in the past, but you look at these teams and they are basically our equals on offence, but then also have world class defence groups (and goalie, in TBay's case).

Hard to envision how we climb that mountain from where we are at now. We would need some incredible growth from Topi, Sandin or Lilly in the next year.

I always thought we needed 1 more year at least. Try to bring in a couple high calibre D via the draft or via a trade. At least we didn't do that Marner/Hanifin swap people wanted just after the draft.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Torts in Philly. Too perfect.

Also Jesus. Habs get out of the Weber deal.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Torts in Philly. Too perfect.

Also Jesus. Habs get out of the Weber deal.

I don't get it for Vegas. Dadonov was great for them down the stretch and LTIR doesn't help them if they're already over the cap to start next season anyways.

They'll be back to 16 player game rosters in no time.

 

[PromisedLand]

Don't agree.

- We don't have a Makar
- Muzzin and Tavares are quite slow for a top4/top6 player
- Marner/Nylander do not engage near the walls or go into corners (Avs don't have even one player who doesn't do this)
- Avs don't have trash like Holl who the coach prefers to play over younger D who are playing well (ex: Johnson didn't get in until Girard was injured)
- Avs have compher donig things that Leafs don't. When you have Kampf scoring goals then its either Kampf is severly undervalued as a goal scorer or those were lucky shots that went in.

Avs played their first game without -> Kadri, Girard, Cogliano FYI

The first 4 games were an absolute "dud" for Leafs-Tampa series; not sure where the "dynamic series" insight is coming from for Bednar

 

[PromisedLand]

Opponents like our team more than some of our own fans do

Mack is a freak! Look at his work ethic and discipline.

The "A" he wears, he respects it. That kind of leadership IMO has helped Makar, Girard, Byram all the newbies. Also, Mack ain't looking for personal glory. He wants team to do well.

Sakic probably salivating at teh next trade dubas would do to help the avs while ruining the leafs

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[fahad203]

Opponents like our team more than some of our own fans do

We like our team. That's why we are here

What we don't like is our losing culture and acceptance or resigned mentality

Last year Mack came out in public and self criticized himself saying i haven't won $hiit

Mack also has more points in playoffs points than regular season in avg.

But clearly we don't like our team. That's why season in season out we come out just so I am post here about how much I hate the management

 

[ToneDog]

I don't get it for Vegas. Dadonov was great for them down the stretch and LTIR doesn't help them if they're already over the cap to start next season anyways.

They'll be back to 16 player game rosters in no time.

How does it not help ?? Dadonov is now off the books. They probably have more work to do to get under the cap.

I think Colorado's top 4 is the major difference. Makar, Toews, and Byram are all dynamic and can push the pace to create offense. It was basically only Rielly for the Leafs as Muzzin, Holl, Gio, and Lyub aren't exactly offensive forces. The other one who could create some plays was glued to the press box.

A 21 year old D playing a huge role for a cup contender. How come he isn't being punished for his inexperience?

Clearly their D is not as deep and does not have a Justin Holl.

 

[Legion34]

How does it not help ?? Dadonov is now off the books. They probably have more work to do to get under the cap.

But doesnt dada have some value

Like couldn’t they trade him for a 7 and not take LTIR

 

[ToneDog]

We like our team. That's why we are here

What we don't like is our losing culture and acceptance or resigned mentality

Last year Mack came out in public and self criticized himself saying i haven't won $hiit

Mack also has more points in playoffs points than regular season in avg.

But clearly we don't like our team. That's why season in season out we come out just so I am post here about how much I hate the management

LOL some clown telling us we do not like this team. Love the team, hate the management.

But doesnt dada have some value

Like couldn’t they trade him for a 7 and not take LTIR

Yes, that is puzzling.

 

[Menzinger]

How does it not help ?? Dadonov is now off the books. They probably have more work to do to get under the cap.



Clearly their D is not as deep and does not have a Justin Holl.

If they use LTIR on Weber it will stop the team from accumulating capspace over the first half of the season so they'll be constrained at what they can do during the tdl.

 

[ToneDog]

If they use LTIR on Weber it will stop the team from accumulating capspace over the first half of the season so they'll be constrained at what they can do during the tdl.

Don't get it but there has to be a reason. I mean we traded for Clarkson before we signed Marner.

 

[kb]

Mack is a freak! Look at his work ethic and discipline.

The "A" he wears, he respects it. That kind of leadership IMO has helped Makar, Girard, Byram all the newbies. Also, Mack ain't looking for personal glory. He wants team to do well.

Sakic probably salivating at teh next trade dubas would do to help the avs while ruining the leafs

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You are posting this like it doesn't apply to the Leafs.

 

[Gabriel426]

Bc we criticize the Leafs, it means we don't like them. Make a lot of sense esp if the people whom think that are the younger generations bc they seem to cannot take criticism and think the whole World is against them when they don't say, Great Job, You did Great....

The team is great and I am sure we all like the Logo in front of the jersey, just hate the fact that they could not win when it matters.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

How does it not help ?? Dadonov is now off the books. They probably have more work to do to get under the cap.



Clearly their D is not as deep and does not have a Justin Holl.

Because if you're over the limit to start the season before you place a player on LTIR you cannot accrue cap space during the season and really limit what you can do to make the team better.

They must think they can spend the $5M to significantly upgrade on Dadonov, but if they don't they're screwed.

This isn't the same as what Tampa does, and there's a reason we don't add LTIR money anymore after Marner forced us into a Vegas situation by basically saying he was going to hold out and then changed his mind after we had made moves to prepare for it.