GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Menzinger]

I'd still wager Tampa takes the series.

 

[zeke]

Halfway thru game 3 and the Bolts had only 4pps on the series (to 9 for the rags) and were headed to a 3rd loss. Then 4pps in the 2nd half of the game and they win.

In 7gms against the Leafs they Bolts had 33 pp including four 2-man advantages and one 5min advantage.



Anyways it's all over for the Rangers now. Nice try tho.

 

[keonsbitterness]

That proverb only goes so far, and the entire idea of it (same with "creating your own luck") is that your actions can put you in the best positions to have success (or otherwise increase your probability of having success).

These are three examples that I was always told in school when that topic came up (hyperbolized to prove a point):

If you have a 99.999% chance of not dying when you get into a car because you are doing everything feasibly possible to be safe while in a motor vehicle. Do you consider yourself "lucky" every time you get into a car and survive even though you only had a 0.001% chance of dying? Or unlucky if that one time happened?

There are two students preparing for a test where it is impossible for you to know how to solve 100% of the potential questions on said test. One student prepared hard and know how to solve 90% of the questions, whereas another student totally slacked off and can maybe solve 10%. When the test occurred, it turns out that all of the questions are within the 10% that the slacker knew and in the 10% that the diligent student did not know. Slacker passes, diligent student fails. One was seemingly more prepared than the other, yet the results don't show it. If you are to do that test again with a different subset of questions from the same population, would you rather be the slacker or the diligent student if you wanted to pass?

Finally, you have the best shot at winning the draft lottery at 20%. However, that still means you have an 80% chance of losing. Do you considering yourself lucky, as a team that had less of a chance to win than to lose? Or not because you had the best chance and all other teams also had a greater chance of losing than winning? Would you want to be the team with the best odds if the lottery was done again?

Results do have some importance, especially in cases where the probability may be uncertain and results can change the actual belief of probability, but they do not wildly make things swing... Even in the case of 6 straight losses. Because I can assure you that if the Leafs have won in any of these last few series (especially the last 2, but possibly even a couple before it), nobody would be saying we were "not good" or "lucky" like is being said about the Oilers or Habs last year. And that is because we are a good team and a team that absolutely looks and can be competitive even if the raw results do not perfectly reflect it as such.

Halfway thru game 3 and the Bolts had only 4pps on the series (to 9 for the rags) and were headed to a 3rd loss. Then 4pps in the 2nd half of the game and they win.

In 7gms against the Leafs they Bolts had 33 pp including four 2-man advantages and one 5min advantage.

Maybe next time our master-psychologist coach should keep his trap shut instead of stupidly predicting a violent series.

 

[kb]

Damn Rangers were being meme for drafting 4 busts in a row from 2017 to 2020

And now they're 5 wins from the cup.

They began their rebuild in 2018 or 2019.

If they get the cup this year that's probably the fastest rebuild ever

This is why we don't count our chickens before they hatch.

 

[Legion34]

Maybe next time our master-psychologist coach should keep his trap shut instead of stupidly predicting a violent series.

How does calling crazy hooks and fake high sticks have anything to do with a violent series

 

[BertCorbeau]

Pretty much watching Shestyerkin and special teams keep the Rangers on life support. He could have watched any series the Rangers have played in and gathered the same information.

If anything, we should be getting our top PP and our goalie coach to watch these playoffs.

The Rangers have been awful at ES, especially in their own end. Do they think they can keep riding on Shestyerkin and special teams the rest of the way? Not something that has happened very often in the past.

It’s at the pint of the playoffs where they very well could. Win 2/4 games and then 4 of 7? definitely possible

 

[Cleetus]

Halfway thru game 3 and the Bolts had only 4pps on the series (to 9 for the rags) and were headed to a 3rd loss. Then 4pps in the 2nd half of the game and they win.

In 7gms against the Leafs they Bolts had 33 pp including four 2-man advantages and one 5min advantage.



Anyways it's all over for the Rangers now. Nice try tho.

lmao! good one! Rangers are playing good... Rangers in 6

 

[Gabriel426]

That proverb only goes so far, and the entire idea of it (same with "creating your own luck") is that your actions can put you in the best positions to have success (or otherwise increase your probability of having success).

These are three examples that I was always told in school when that topic came up (hyperbolized to prove a point):

If you have a 99.999% chance of not dying when you get into a car because you are doing everything feasibly possible to be safe while in a motor vehicle. Do you consider yourself "lucky" every time you get into a car and survive even though you only had a 0.001% chance of dying? Or unlucky if that one time happened?

There are two students preparing for a test where it is impossible for you to know how to solve 100% of the potential questions on said test. One student prepared hard and know how to solve 90% of the questions, whereas another student totally slacked off and can maybe solve 10%. When the test occurred, it turns out that all of the questions are within the 10% that the slacker knew and in the 10% that the diligent student did not know. Slacker passes, diligent student fails. One was seemingly more prepared than the other, yet the results don't show it. If you are to do that test again with a different subset of questions from the same population, would you rather be the slacker or the diligent student if you wanted to pass?

Finally, you have the best shot at winning the draft lottery at 20%. However, that still means you have an 80% chance of losing. Do you considering yourself lucky, as a team that had less of a chance to win than to lose? Or not because you had the best chance and all other teams also had a greater chance of losing than winning? Would you want to be the team with the best odds if the lottery was done again?

Results do have some importance, especially in cases where the probability may be uncertain and results can change the actual belief of probability, but they do not wildly make things swing... Even in the case of 6 straight losses. Because I can assure you that if the Leafs have won in any of these last few series (especially the last 2, but possibly even a couple before it), nobody would be saying we were "not good" or "lucky" like is being said about the Oilers or Habs last year. And that is because we are a good team and a team that absolutely looks and can be competitive even if the raw results do not perfectly reflect it as such.

This is the get it done league.
I never said the Leafs is not a good team, all I said was can they do it. That’s the question and sofar they showed they can’t, nomatter who the opponents were.
Fact is, winning the Cup is the goal.
I will bet that if the Leafs actually won a round, the narrative would change from 6 first rounds exit to we won a round, that’s an improvement. Which to me it is not good enough for the current Leafs.
Relying on other teams/players to struggle or lucky bounces here and there to get through is fools gold. Also if that’s the case, what’s the point of having AM, MM, JT and others on the team.
We can go on for weeks about probability or luck…. At the end of the day, they didn’t get it done and it is always the same excuses over and over again.
Did they improved from seasons past, they sure did but is it enough, results said NO.
This past playoffs is a good building block but if they don’t advance past the first round next playoffs again, that’s another failure and this year is another wasted year.

 

[keonsbitterness]

How does calling crazy hooks and fake high sticks have anything to do with a violent series

I'd rather not give the league an incentive to give us more penalties. This team already has enough baggage.

lmao! good one! Rangers are playing good... Rangers in 6

I got Bolts in 7.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Rangers were pretty bad and still almost won the game.

I think they'll bounce back and win in 5. And no, I'm not putting any money on it

 

[saffronleaf]

Pretty much watching Shestyerkin and special teams keep the Rangers on life support. He could have watched any series the Rangers have played in and gathered the same information.

If anything, we should be getting our top PP and our goalie coach to watch these playoffs.

The Rangers have been awful at ES, especially in their own end. Do they think they can keep riding on Shestyerkin and special teams the rest of the way? Not something that has happened very often in the past.

leafs definitely need goaltending

 

[BrannigansLaw]

lmao! good one! Rangers are playing good... Rangers in 6

Zeke is clearly praying that the Lightning win this series and the Cup so he can tell us all we took the Cup champs to 7 games. As if any of us give a crap lol.

It’s so obvious and weak.

 

[Stephen]

How does calling crazy hooks and fake high sticks have anything to do with a violent series

Looking back on Keefe's comments, you kind of wonder why he didn't go the opposite way with "we want to play a clean game, skilled series and hopefully we get fair and consistent officiating." Put the responsibility on the officiating and pre-emptively call out the other team's sneaky dirty tactics (which we struggle to keep up against).

 

[Cleetus]

Zeke is clearly praying that the Lightning win this series and the Cup so he can tell us all we took the Cup champs to 7 games. As if any of us give a crap lol.

It’s so obvious and weak.

yup I agree

 

[zeke]

Zeke is clearly praying that the Lightning win this series and the Cup so he can tell us all we took the Cup champs to 7 games. As if any of us give a crap lol.

It’s so obvious and weak.

No need to pray.

Bolts are obviously the much better team.

And remember, they were only able to take us to 7gms with a huge assist from the refs.

 

[Lightsol]

Looks like in the playoffs we're not scoring nearly enough 2nd chance rebound goals. There could be a few reasons that this is happening.

Leafs are actually too fast for their own good. I've lost count of the number of incredible rebound chances they've gotten where the puck shoots right past the guy skating to the net; if their guys were a bit slower, that's a great scoring chance.

 

[Zybalto]

Looking back on Keefe's comments, you kind of wonder why he didn't go the opposite way with "we want to play a clean game, skilled series and hopefully we get fair and consistent officiating." Put the responsibility on the officiating and pre-emptively call out the other team's sneaky dirty tactics (which we struggle to keep up against).

Like every other series the Leafs played?

The "we need to play hard and clean and play our game" stuff was literally said every other year and the refs still called the Leafs like they were the bay street bullies once the playoffs hit while letting other teams get away with murder on our stars.

Cant say that though because even with the revelation that Peel was biased as hell against players on our team in critical playoff games (like it wasnt obvious enough just from the way he called the games), you are called a whiner or conspiracy theorist if you point it out.

The Leafs are pretty much held to a different standard though just like Tampa is held to a different standard in the playoffs for sure.



Maybe the most dangerous play from this years playoffs that literally could have ended the guys career and MUCH worse than the Kane one of Kadri and yet....

Reduced from a 5 minute to a 2 minute cross checking minor after a "discussion" among the refs on the ice and then only given a fine.

What the hell is even going on right now?

Tampa is a tough enough team to beat as it is, they dont need the refs in their pocket as well.

 

[Dreakmur]

Maybe the most dangerous play from this years playoffs that literally could have ended the guys career and MUCH worse than the Kane one of Kadri and yet....

Reduced from a 5 minute to a 2 minute cross checking minor after a "discussion" among the refs on the ice and then only given a fine.

What the hell is even going on right now?

Tampa is a tough enough team to beat as it is, they dont need the refs in their pocket as well.

I could live with an argument that both hits were equal, but to suggest Hagel’s hit was MUCH worse than Kane’s is just bizarre. The Kane hit on Kadri was worse than that. Both were bad, and while they both hit the boards similarly hard, there was a lot more force in the Kane cross-check.

Hagel’s was a reckless play that happens far too often in the league. It usually doesn’t result in the guy going down, but that’s why it’s so dangerous. I honestly cringe every time I see a defensemen make that cross-check.

Kane drives Kadri into the boards. Hagel causes Luastarinen to loses his balance and fall into the boards. Both dangerous. At best they are equal and Kane gets a 1 game reputation suspension… but really, his was just worse.

 

[deprw]

lmao! good one! Rangers are playing good... Rangers in 6

Rangers can't keep up with Tampa 5vs5. If Tampa gets enough PP time or at least as much as Rangers, that is it. Shesterkin can steal the series, but they are playing against Vasilevski not Elliot.

We have discussed about Gallant here vs. having Keefe, but Rangers are worse 5v5 against Tampa than we were and Brayden Point is still out.

 

[deprw]

I could live with an argument that both hits were equal, but to suggest Hagel’s hit was MUCH worse than Kane’s is just bizarre. The Kane hit on Kadri was worse than that. Both were bad, and while they both hit the boards similarly hard, there was a lot more force in the Kane cross-check.

Hagel’s was a reckless play that happens far too often in the league. It usually doesn’t result in the guy going down, but that’s why it’s so dangerous. I honestly cringe every time I see a defensemen make that cross-check.

Kane drives Kadri into the boards. Hagel causes Luastarinen to loses his balance and fall into the boards. Both dangerous. At best they are equal and Kane gets a 1 game reputation suspension… but really, his was just worse.

Luostarinen lost his balance completely and was facing boards, still Hagel hits him with cross check that could have been paralyzing hit. Luostarinen has no control over his body and was already in akward position. Pretty hard to control your body in that speed, when pushed like that. At least Kadri goes bit sideways into the boards, though that was bad judgement and intent to injure from Kane.

Both are malicious hits, but it's outrageous that Luostarinen hit was brushed away like that and refs reduced the penalty. Comparing these two hits in the sense that which was worse is kind of useless. Both were bad hits, but I think that Hagel hit is tiny bit worse.

If compared to that Clifford hit which was penalized, that weren't nearly as dangerous than these hits. It just looked bad and was idiotic move.

 

[Nineteen67]

How does calling crazy hooks and fake high sticks have anything to do with a violent series

It wasn’t fake. Literally the stick came up quickly and caught him in the shoulder and the TB player either instinctively jerked his head trying to get his face out of the way, or he made a great play to draw the penalty. Perhaps it was a combination of the two. Then they compounded the problem with real stupid penalty.

I’m on the side of most people I’ve heard on the radio ( TSN1050, Fan590, NHL Network) that dont think the refs caused the Leafs to lose another series.
Bottom line they’re a low IQ team and they earn the results the get.

 

[1specter]

Rangers were pretty bad and still almost won the game.

I think they'll bounce back and win in 5. And no, I'm not putting any money on it

At the same time, Vasi was uncharacteristically bad the first 2 games. He went back to being solid yesterday and if he keeps playing like that Tampa should be able to take it.

 

[Legion34]

It wasn’t fake. Literally the stick came up quickly and caught him in the shoulder and the TB player either instinctively jerked his head trying to get his face out of the way, or he made a great play to draw the penalty. Perhaps it was a combination of the two. Then they compounded the problem with real stupid penalty.

I’m on the side of most people I’ve heard on the radio ( TSN1050, Fan590, NHL Network) that dont think the refs caused the Leafs to lose another series.
Bottom line they’re a low IQ team and they earn the results the get.

A high sticking penalty has to hit the head. Not a bent over shoulder. It was fake because it never happened. Not hitting the head is not high sticking. No matter how close.

The Kerfoot one was silly because hedman literally brings the stick up into his own face. I have never seen it called like that. I get that Kerfoot has to control his stick. But a 6 6 240’lb man literally hitting himself with your stick?

It’s kinda silly. Like what is stopping a goon from grabbing mcdavids stick, over powering him and smacking himself in the face? Now is it 4 on 4 with no Mcdavid?

Seems not in the spirit of the rule.

I don’t think it’s “why” they lost. It was close. It could have went either way. There were reffing misses like the pick on point in game 6. The Tampa holding goals in 7.

But that happens in every series. Calgary got screwed on the kick. But it’s not why they lost.

Same with Toronto.

 

[zeke]

I’m on the side of most people I’ve heard on the radio ( TSN1050, Fan590, NHL Network) that dont think the refs caused the Leafs to lose another series.

You should be on the side of your eyes and brain instead.

 

[Nineteen67]

A high sticking penalty has to hit the head. Not a bent over shoulder. It was fake because it never happened. Not hitting the head is not high sticking. No matter how close.

The Kerfoot one was silly because hedman literally brings the stick up into his own face. I have never seen it called like that. I get that Kerfoot has to control his stick. But a 6 6 240’lb man literally hitting himself with your stick?

It’s kinda silly. Like what is stopping a goon from grabbing mcdavids stick, over powering him and smacking himself in the face? Now is it 4 on 4 with no Mcdavid?

Seems not in the spirit of the rule.

I don’t think it’s “why” they lost. It was close. It could have went either way. There were reffing misses like the pick on point in game 6. The Tampa holding goals in 7.

But that happens in every series. Calgary got screwed on the kick. But it’s not why they lost.

Same with Toronto.

Clearly he wasn’t in control of his of his stick and the smart player took advantage.