Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

[damacles1156]

Exactly, so there are full blown guaranteed contracts and nearly all contracts have some guaranteed portion. Meaning for most cases(essentially any contract that you would even be worried about) you can not simply get out of a contract whenever you want to without any cap penalties.

Gurley for example has 45 of his 60 million guaranteed, including 20 million in signing bonuses. The Rams are going have to deal with the cap ramifications of that 45 million whether he is on the team or not.

The NFL is also the only league without guaranteed contracts, every other major league has full guarantees.

True but the Rams will have paid the vast majority of that (Guaranteed money) up front. While Gurley is still a prime RB.

 

[crassbonanza]

True but the Rams will have paid the vast majority of that (Guaranteed money) up front. While Gurley is still a prime RB.

The cap hit from a signing bonus is spread along the entirety of his contract. They will deal with dead cap from those bonuses still if they cut him early.

 

[damacles1156]

The cap hit from a signing bonus is spread along the entirety of his contract. They will deal with dead cap from those bonuses still if they cut him early.

Again there are a lot of modifiers in their base contracts. Depending on how the deal is structured, at some point in the life of the deal it may be advantages for the Rams to Cut Gurley and save money. The premise still stands that the NFL only has certain portions of the contract Guaranteed.

This is an older link but explains better than I can

Everything to know about salaries in the NFL

 

[crassbonanza]

That's not exactly how it works in the NFL Depending on how the deal is structured, at some point in the life of the deal in may be advantages for the Rams to Cut Gurley and save money.

Signing bonuses are split along the contract for up to 5 years. Here is the Key section.

CBA, Article 16, Section 6, Paragraph 5: Proration: The total amount of any signing bonus shall be prorated over the term of the Player Contract (on a straight-line basis, unless subject to acceleration or some other treatment as provided in this Agreement), with a maximum proration of five years, in determining Team Salary and Salary.

I do agree that it can be advantageous for the Rams to get out of the contract at some point, but there will be dead cap from the contract. Every single team in the league currently has dead cap space from cutting a player early. Some have over 15% in dead cap. Last season the Bills had 38% of their cap dead because they cut players early.

 

[damacles1156]

Signing bonuses are split along the contract for up to 5 years. Here is the Key section.

CBA, Article 16, Section 6, Paragraph 5: Proration: The total amount of any signing bonus shall be prorated over the term of the Player Contract (on a straight-line basis, unless subject to acceleration or some other treatment as provided in this Agreement), with a maximum proration of five years, in determining Team Salary and Salary.

I do agree that it can be advantageous for the Rams to get out of the contract at some point, but there will be dead cap from the contract. Every single team in the league currently has dead cap space from cutting a player early. Some have over 15% in dead cap. Last season the Bills had 38% of their cap dead because they cut players early.

That's 100% true,

But what situation would you rather deal with; The NFL one, or the NHL one where Milan Lucic will get his money no matter what, and you can't even cut him essentially due to not being able to rid yourself of even his base salary. If only a portion of Lucic's salary was guaranteed, the Oilers would have most likely already cut him.

I would rather deal with dead cap space.

 

[crassbonanza]

That's 100% true,

But what situation would you rather deal with; The NFL one, or the NHL one where Milan Lucic will get his money no matter what, and you can't even cut him essentially due to not being able to rid yourself of even his base salary. If only a portion of Lucic's salary was guaranteed, the Oilers would have most likely already cut him.

I would rather deal with dead cap space.

Well, you can have dead cap space in the form of a buyout. The NHL buyout system would actually be somewhat better in the case of Gurley. They guarantee 3/4's of his contract, so cutting him early would leave a much worse cap hit than if they could buy him out with the NHL system of 2/3rds spread over twice the contract.

 

[damacles1156]

Also one other thing to think about, the Bills could be a good example. They had lots of dead cap space like you pointed out, they also didn't have a ton of overpaid under-performing veterans taking up all roster spots. They still have 12 older players, but their corner stone players are on the younger side.

If you need to rebuild, you probably not to worried about that dead cap space.

 

[crassbonanza]

Also one other thing to think about, the Bills could be a good example. They had lots of dead cap space like you pointed out, they also didn't have a ton of overpaid under-performing veterans taking up all roster spots. They still have 12 older players, but their corner stone players are on the younger side.

If you need to rebuild, you probably not to worried about that dead cap space.

That is a good point, maybe GM's should be using buyouts more often than they are. I actually applaud Blake's move with Phaneuf this year. Instead of taking up a roster spot of a young player, he took the cap punishment.

 

[KINGS17]

If the league is insistent on having guaranteed contracts, then the max term has to come down to 4/5 years. GM's need to save themselves from themselves.

The owners will not continue to pay players who are on a phony LTIR, or are severely under performing. The owners will police their own GMs with changes in the next CBA.

 

[KINGS17]

Stupid GMs exist in every pro sports league.

Kirk Cousins' $84 million contract is already a disaster for the Vikings

Those were the terms of the contract the Vikings were more than happy to give Kirk Cousins nine short months ago. After Minnesota’s playoff hopes were dashed with a 24-10 home loss to the Bears, it’s become readily apparent that betting on Cousins was a mistake — a mistake that has closed this talented Vikings team’s Super Bowl window for the length of the deal … and probably long after that.

Cutting him would not provide the same cap relief. The Vikings would be saddled with $60 million in dead money if they cut him this offseason. The number drops to $31 million the following offseason. This is why NFL teams aren’t in the business of handing out fully guaranteed deals.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Stupid GMs exist in every pro sports league.

Kirk Cousins' $84 million contract is already a disaster for the Vikings

Those were the terms of the contract the Vikings were more than happy to give Kirk Cousins nine short months ago. After Minnesota’s playoff hopes were dashed with a 24-10 home loss to the Bears, it’s become readily apparent that betting on Cousins was a mistake — a mistake that has closed this talented Vikings team’s Super Bowl window for the length of the deal … and probably long after that.

Cutting him would not provide the same cap relief. The Vikings would be saddled with $60 million in dead money if they cut him this offseason. The number drops to $31 million the following offseason. This is why NFL teams aren’t in the business of handing out fully guaranteed deals.

The assumption by fans is the owners of these teams are kicking and screaming behind closed doors as their bank accounts go close to zero. The reality is these owners are making so much money they cold care less. Like in MLB where they insure the players contract so when a guy like Cespedes goes down multiple times they are actually making money off him being injured.

 

[KINGS17]

The assumption by fans is the owners of these teams are kicking and screaming behind closed doors as their bank accounts go close to zero. The reality is these owners are making so much money they cold care less. Like in MLB where they insure the players contract so when a guy like Cespedes goes down multiple times they are actually making money off him being injured.

The reality is cash flow is the key to every business. The owners didn't get rich by paying out more cash than they are taking in every year.

 

[kovacro]

Taking stock of the NHL goaltending picture

https://www.tsn.ca/taking-stock-of-the-nhl-goaltending-picture-1.1342056

 

[The Tikkanen]

The reality is cash flow is the key to every business. The owners didn't get rich by paying out more cash than they are taking in every year.

I agree, my point is this is likely a toy for a wealthy man. It's like buying a car when you're a multi millionaire. You don't care abut the MPG or gas prices, they want the toy. The man that owns the Vikings is worth 5.3 billion-you think he's worried about Kirk Cousins?

 

[crassbonanza]

The reality is cash flow is the key to every business. The owners didn't get rich by paying out more cash than they are taking in every year.

The owners pay a predetermined amount to players per the CBA, there is a 50% revenue split between owners/players. Any expenses like LTIRetirement only takes away from the players because it eats into player revenue.

Also, a handful of LTIRetirement contracts that are largely covered by insurance is not making/breaking the profitability of a team.

 

[KINGS17]

I agree, my point is this is likely a toy for a wealthy man. It's like buying a car when you're a multi millionaire. You don't care abut the MPG or gas prices, they want the toy. The man that owns the Vikings is worth 5.3 billion-you think he's worried about Kirk Cousins?

I think he would like to win a championship, and within the realm of the NFL he has a cap he can't exceed. When a guy like this isn't winning with his toy, he doesn't like to waste his money, no matter how small the relative amount. Uncle Phil and AEG have plenty of money, but I know Blake still has a budget.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Russian hockey reporter Igor Eronko reports that Zaitsev refused to go to any Canadian team, along with the Detroit Red Wings and two more mystery teams.

At some point, Zaitsev agreed to waive the clause allowing him to go to Ottawa.
In the middle of a seven-year contract he signed with the Leafs for $31,500,000, Zaitsev clearly made it obvious that he didn't want the scrutiny and attention of playing for a Canadain team.

 

[BringTheReign]

Taking stock of the NHL goaltending picture

https://www.tsn.ca/taking-stock-of-the-nhl-goaltending-picture-1.1342056

I'm pretty torn about next season in this regard. I want Quick to rebound AND Campbell to play great, but if either or both of those things happen, we're probably bound for the black hole of draft picks. It's pretty wild that even with Quick's down year and even setting Campbell as an average goalie in regards to goals saved above expected that we'd still be middle of the pack.

That being said, the lottery is a lottery, and if the team does better, we can probably unload players like Lewis, Carter, and even Quick to get more draft choices even if we don't get a high pick with our own.

As much as it would suck to see Quick in another jersey, it would pretty cool to see him help a team like Carolina or Columbus go deep in the playoffs. He was nails against Vegas last spring and I don't think he's played his last playoff game.

 

[KingsFan7824]

As much as it would suck to see Quick in another jersey, it would pretty cool to see him help a team like Carolina or Columbus go deep in the playoffs. He was nails against Vegas last spring and I don't think he's played his last playoff game.

You likely don't have to worry about Quick going anywhere until at least June 2022. If Campbell shows to be good in an increasing sample size, you know what teams like Carolina or Columbus can do? Outside of waiting on their own young goalies to develop, they can also wait the Kings out since Campbell is a UFA after this season. The more difficult it is to trade Quick, and with Petersen signed for 3 years, Campbell can see the playing time writing on the wall. Unless he Kings give Campbell a stupid contract(further handcuffing themselves in trying to get value for a goalie), Campbell has almost zero incentive to re-sign. Even if Blake could trade Quick, does Campbell want to share the crease with Petersen if he's any good?

There's no reason to think Quick will be anyone's first option. Every positive about him is about the past. Even 2018 against Vegas. He played great, and it got the Kings zero wins. How good does a team have to be to take full advantage of an aging goalie? Does a team that good need an aging goalie?

 

[The Tikkanen]

How the **** does a Clarkson for Sparks deal crash HF Boards? Better yet, how does said deal get a thread that has climbed up to 31 pages?

That's headline news in Canada. In every bar and restaurant there is at least one TV dedicated to breaking down the ins and outs of the deal.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I agree, my point is this is likely a toy for a wealthy man. It's like buying a car when you're a multi millionaire. You don't care abut the MPG or gas prices, they want the toy. The man that owns the Vikings is worth 5.3 billion-you think he's worried about Kirk Cousins?

While I agree with K17 that even the ultra-rich (maybe especially the ultra rich) don't like simply flushing cash, it reminds me of the creative accounting the Kings were doing around the time @piston was analyzing the Kings offices. Like, there was a little bit of public woe-is-me-we're-losing-money-on-the-team if i recall correctly, yet at the same time, they were raking the table on surrounding area parking and concessions. Like, are you actually losing money if the product you're 'losing' money on--like 1 million at the gate--is bringing you 20 million elsewhere, especially if you wouldn't be making those additional income streams without the 'losing' product?

Even a schmuck like Kirk Cousins made his franchise money. Maybe the only one that didn't is Jamarcus Russell

 

[The Tikkanen]

While I agree with K17 that even the ultra-rich (maybe especially the ultra rich) don't like simply flushing cash, it reminds me of the creative accounting the Kings were doing around the time @piston was analyzing the Kings offices. Like, there was a little bit of public woe-is-me-we're-losing-money-on-the-team if i recall correctly, yet at the same time, they were raking the table on surrounding area parking and concessions. Like, are you actually losing money if the product you're 'losing' money on--like 1 million at the gate--is bringing you 20 million elsewhere, especially if you wouldn't be making those additional income streams without the 'losing' product?

Even a schmuck like Kirk Cousins made his franchise money. Maybe the only one that didn't is Jamarcus Russell

Anschutz is worth 12 billion. I bet he couldn't even tell you what number Brown wears.

 

[kovacro]

How the **** does a Clarkson for Sparks deal crash HF Boards? Better yet, how does said deal get a thread that has climbed up to 31 pages?

Leafs Nation driving the bus on that one.

I find it funny that the Mitch Marner RFA thread in the Trade Rumors & Free Agent section is on part 8.5 while Brayden Point who I believe is the better of the two isn't being discussed much of if at all.

 

[KINGS17]

Anschutz is worth 12 billion. I bet he couldn't even tell you what number Brown wears.

I think Uncle Phil can tell you the number of the man to be the first ever to hoist the cup for the Kings.

Briefly met Mr. Anschutz once during the playoffs, he and his wife were fond of the players and wanted to win.

 

[DoktorJeep]

One thing I don’t complain about is ownership. Uncle Phil personally saved the franchise and has been an upstanding, first class owner. After the players, he was the team MVP during the cup years.

After carpetbagging Cohen and criminal fraudsters Sudikoff and McNall, Uncle Phil better be the next statue in front of the stapler.