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Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

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KINGS17 said:
Geez, get over yourself. To think any athlete who makes tens of millions of dollars is a victim because he or she didn't have the common sense to save some money is ridiculous.
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I didn't call them victims, but you have unrealistic expectations and can't recognize the mitigating circumstances born from the athletic culture they've been operating under since teenage years.

Then when they opt for a longer contract for financial security, you blame them for not planning better, when everyone rightfully tries to get financial security.

And use the video game use by some players to justify your callous attitude towards them.

You don't have to call an athlete a victim to have empathy and try to understand why an athlete doesn't pursue these skills. You don't know Simmonds' situation. Nor do I.

But I'm just not going to jump to conclusions when we don't know.

If you know Simmonds personally and care to enlighten us, then please feel free to do so. If you don't, then maybe you should consider making blanket statements
 
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King'sPawn said:
I didn't call them victims, but you have unrealistic expectations and can't recognize the mitigating circumstances born from the athletic culture they've been operating under since teenage years.

Then when they opt for a longer contract for financial security, you blame them for not planning better, when everyone rightfully tries to get financial security.

And use the video game use by some players to justify your callous attitude towards them.

You don't have to call an athlete a victim to have empathy and try to understand why an athlete doesn't pursue these skills. You don't know Simmonds' situation. Nor do I.

But I'm just not going to jump to conclusions when we don't know.

If you know Simmonds personally and care to enlighten us, then please feel free to do so. If you don't, then maybe you should consider making blanket statements
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I already said I don't know Simmonds' financial situation. You said he may need a long term deal for financial security.
 
KINGS17 said:
I already said I don't know Simmonds' financial situation. You said he may need a long term deal for financial security.
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To which you said it's his fault for not planning better. So which is it? Do you know or not know?
 
EVERYONE tries to get as much money as they can in any job they endeavor to take. This is not unique to hockey. Gotta wonder what someone like Simmonds would say about some anonymous jockey on the internet telling him what to do with his life. Suspect it would go something like:

"You should have worked harder to become elite at your profession instead of wasting your life hiding behind a keyboard talking about other people"
 
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King'sPawn said:
To which you said it's his fault for not planning better. So which is it? Do you know or not know?
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Yes, at this point in his career after making $30M, if he needs a long term deal to have financial security, it is his responsibility.

You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to twist what I have said.
 
KINGS17 said:
Yes, at this point in his career after making $30M, if he needs a long term deal to have financial security, it is his responsibility.

You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to twist what I have said.
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Fine. You win.

I already got an infraction for flaming so I'm done with the conversation.
 
What the f***, Jeff Skinner is signing a 8 year, $9 million aav deal?? 442 points in 661 games gets you $9 million a season??
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
Yeah, well unless he's scoring more than Ovechkin, he shouldn't make more money than him.
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Agreed, but I think Buffalo is in a situation where they can't afford to lose their top goal scorer. Look at how they never recovered from losing Daniel Briere and Chris Drury. That's a tough market to attract free agents to, and they need a player like Skinner to play alongside Jack Eichel.
 
KINGS17 said:
Wayne Simmonds has made approximately $30M over the course of his career. Now, I don't know if Wayne has concerns about financing his lifestyle over the rest of his life, but I certainly am not going to shed a tear if he didn't apply a little common sense to saving some money.

You act as if all these guys do is work out and play hockey. Seems to me we saw some posts recently about how much time some waste on-line playing video games. So yes, every single one of them owe it to themselves to learn about saving and investing money.
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Don't disagree that especially professional athletes need financial education. I'm pretty sure I read the NHLPA does offer some guidance. Either way, that much money needs some leadership, not just from an outside advisor but the player himself.

That being said, with how much gets eaten by taxes and escrow, the average player is certainly more well-off than most, but they're not Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates, even a guy that's made 30 million asking for more shouldn't be seen as some greedy gesture.


KINGS17 said:
RFAs don't have leverage, but the very talented ones aren't going to starve.

My comment about Simmonds was based on his reported desire for a long-term contract. My question to him would be why would he think a GM would even consider it. BTW, I wouldn't mind having him around for a couple of years. The guy plays hard and gets greasy.
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I think I responded to the boldfaced below and I agree with you that I doubt they would consider it. But if I'm him, I'm certainly asking for security based on my power-forward style and the beating I take. A short-term contract may see me out of the league by 35.


Bandit said:
EVERYONE tries to get as much money as they can in any job they endeavor to take. This is not unique to hockey. Gotta wonder what someone like Simmonds would say about some anonymous jockey on the internet telling him what to do with his life. Suspect it would go something like:

"You should have worked harder to become elite at your profession instead of wasting your life hiding behind a keyboard talking about other people"
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I made twice as much as I did last year and was lucky enough to put 1/2 of it into investments (mostly because I didn't do shit recreationally). I could still use more and could definitely use more security, so I could never begrudge anyone pursuing 'more,' whatever 'more' means to said person. I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the 'just do better' mentality no matter how much people's lifestyles scale up by being a professional athlete because it's not just all fun and games, they've earned it through literal blood, sweat, and tears...I think I get what K17 is saying though, Simmonds doesn't deserve a long term big money deal, I think most would agree with that. Entitlement was just--no offense, just being blunt--a bad word choice because Wayne is certainly entitled to ask based on his accomplishments but I doubt even he feels that he deserves the ask.
 
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Sucks we lost Vilardi. He is probably more talented then anyone in the top 5 this year, maybe excluding Hughes or Kakko. Him being healthy would have sped up our rebuild by a year or two.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Don't disagree that especially professional athletes need financial education. I'm pretty sure I read the NHLPA does offer some guidance. Either way, that much money needs some leadership, not just from an outside advisor but the player himself.

That being said, with how much gets eaten by taxes and escrow, the average player is certainly more well-off than most, but they're not Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates, even a guy that's made 30 million asking for more shouldn't be seen as some greedy gesture.




I think I responded to the boldfaced below and I agree with you that I doubt they would consider it. But if I'm him, I'm certainly asking for security based on my power-forward style and the beating I take. A short-term contract may see me out of the league by 35.





I made twice as much as I did last year and was lucky enough to put 1/2 of it into investments (mostly because I didn't do **** recreationally). I could still use more and could definitely use more security, so I could never begrudge anyone pursuing 'more,' whatever 'more' means to said person. I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the 'just do better' mentality no matter how much people's lifestyles scale up by being a professional athlete because it's not just all fun and games, they've earned it through literal blood, sweat, and tears...I think I get what K17 is saying though, Simmonds doesn't deserve a long term big money deal, I think most would agree with that. Entitlement was just--no offense, just being blunt--a bad word choice because Wayne is certainly entitled to ask based on his accomplishments but I doubt even he feels that he deserves the ask.
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Thanks, I appreciate your post. "Entitlement" was too strong a word. "Expects" would have been better.

I admire Wayne Simmonds' career. The guy exceeded all expectations, and he played his guts out for the Kings and Flyers.

Again, I don't know his financial situation at all, or that of any other professional athlete except for what is public knowledge. I hope Simmonds saved some of what what was left after taxes, etc. of his $30M.

I like this guy. He fires clients who don't heed his advice.

How one advisor helps NHL stars | Advisor

In fact, players’ careers are short—the average is 5.5 years, he says, and they’ll earn an annual salary of about $2.4 million, for a total of $13.2 million [see “Advising (really) early retirees”].

“If you don’t plan properly then, unfortunately, five years after their career is over, about 70% of players are bankrupt or in financial distress,” he notes.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Thanks, I appreciate your post. "Entitlement" was too strong a word. "Expects" would have been better.

I admire Wayne Simmonds' career. The guy exceeded all expectations, and he played his guts out for the Kings and Flyers.

Again, I don't know his financial situation at all, or that of any other professional athlete except for what is public knowledge. I hope Simmonds saved some of what what was left after taxes, etc. of his $30M.

I like this guy. He fires clients who don't heed his advice.

How one advisor helps NHL stars | Advisor

In fact, players’ careers are short—the average is 5.5 years, he says, and they’ll earn an annual salary of about $2.4 million, for a total of $13.2 million [see “Advising (really) early retirees”].

“If you don’t plan properly then, unfortunately, five years after their career is over, about 70% of players are bankrupt or in financial distress,” he notes.
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Says the opposite about firing his clients, actually.

Still an interesting read.
 
kingsfan28 said:
No, not just nice.... it's got the biggityist, hugest, most tremendous holes around. People say, and they all say tremendous things, lots of things, it's the greatest place they've ever played, ask anyone.
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Well it's nice they're thinking outside the box instead of saying the usual things that get the normal response.
 
kingsholygrail said:
There's actually a really good 30 for 30 on what happens with young players that are suddenly handed multi-million dollar contracts when they've never seen that kind of money before in their life. Many are smart about it, but many aren't. Some get screwed by accountants that steal from them or in the case of Jack Johnson, his parents. Family and friends leeching off you. The allure of "I can buy anything and live anywhere" is much stronger than you think, especially as an 18-yr-old or 20-yr-old.
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Yeah, I saw this. pretty eye opening. One pro football player said he was paying 4 mortgages at one time. The smartest guy said he told his family he's only helping out his parents and keep your jobs.
 
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