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Speaking of Florida, it appears that is where Kovalchuk is spending his summer (as are other Russian players). If they want a Russian contingency there, I'm sure the Kings would oblige.
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Speaking of Florida, it appears that is where Kovalchuk is spending his summer (as are other Russian players). If they want a Russian contingency there, I'm sure the Kings would oblige.
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Not sure Florida wants or needs Kovalchuk, but Russians seem to love Miami and the 0% income tax in Florida. You know the Russians have a consulate there, oh wait no they don't.
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Maybe a swap of bad contracts? Ken Holland mentioned wanting to bring in a veteran goalie to share the workload with Koskinen. Just a thought:
EDM: LW Sonny Milano (RFA), G James Reimer (2x3.4)
CBJ: RW Sam Gagner (1x3.15)
FLO: C/RW Riley Nash (2x2.75)
Milano doesn't seem like he'll crack Columbus' roster and he won't be waiver exempt this fall. Oilers take a flyer on him and hope he could maybe be a cheap option in their top 6.
Gagner had reasonable success with Columbus a couple years ago as a PP specialist. If they're losing Panarin, then perhaps Gagner could fit that role again. They also open future cap space by dumping the regrettable Riley Nash deal.
Florida opens up a goalie spot, but picks up a slightly worse contract. Nash would fill in a bottom six role for them.
Haha, well you aren't far off, Hartman was traded for a 1st the season before and he was a former 1st round draft pick himself.
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Guess Ebert became the Swedish league version of Kevin Dallman.
33 pts. in 49 games this past season.
33 pts. in 49 games this past season.
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Frost and Farabee, the two 1st rounders they got in that deal. Both of whom should be (unless Fletcher screws up which is entirely likely, given his recent comments) a big part of the Flyers future. That was a win for the Flyers.
Hopefully , they come to their senses and realize Hayes is not a legit #2, rather a good 3rd line c. Because he wants an LTC in the 6.5 M range and that would be a mistake. As well as cloud up Patricks' future. And if Fletcher does that, it means that rumors of him using Nolan Patrick to get Trouba might be true. Fletcher cut his teeth in the Clarke/Homer GM school , which makes me uncomfortable as a FLyers fan.
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Not crazy.
His play has declined for the last couple years in Philly. Not only a slow skater, but not good in board battles and makes questionable decisions with the puck. It should surprise nobody he was not visible in the playoffs, he was not good in Philly either, not just lack of points but no impact shifts in his playoff games. He hasn't scored a playoff goal in 5 yrs He wanted an LTC in the 6-7M per range and the Flyers wanted 2 to 3 years, at a lower $, so he got moved.
He's 31 at the start of the season and a smart GM should recognize that when handing out a contract. Also, he rode the Claude GIroux gravy train for years. Giroux draws coverage, which left him alone in front of the net and esp in the past on PP, which he was removed from two years ago. But left to his own devices, he doesn't fare well. Not a surprise he struggled in Nashville, even on the bottom 6 he looked slow.
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This is what amazes me. Every player over 30 or approaching 30 thinks they are entitled to a long term contract. Simmonds should be getting offers for 1 or 2 years this off season.
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and that surprised me, that he kept saying how much he loved Philly and wanted to stay. But not enough to give up on the LTC idea.
Players in their 30's who are not snipers or elite talents would be wise to sign a smaller deal.
And that might be all he's offered, time will tell
At Least holmgren kept things entertaining. Team was always competitive too.
Hadn't heard Trouba for Patrick. If Trouba re-signs I could see that making sense for the flyers. Patrick will be a stud though
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You're assuming every player thinks they are entitled.
Frankly, I think it's because they know their career could end and they need the financial security.
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They should have saved some of the money they made in their 20's. Professional hockey is a career, but it's not a lifetime career. When it's over a player better be able to earn a living doing something else.
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And you think these skills of establishing a budget and saving money are taught to them in their schooling? Even Derek Forbort, who was in college until his 20s, didn't even know a chicken was a bird.
You expect these players to be the best players and athletes they can be in the present, but you want them to be cognizant enough to know how to manage their own money when they have managers who do this?
You just seem to have a distaste for these players and want them to suffer for not knowing better, but at the same time expect them to get the best out of themselves at a physical level to be the best professional player. They've been trying to carve out a hockey career since they were teenagers.
Shrugging your shoulders and saying "Well, too bad. Shoulda planned better when you were younger" is either cold or surprisingly ignorant coming from you.
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Yeah, entitlement is definitely not the word I'd use.
For a lot of them this is their first time on cashing in as they've been UFAs until their late 20s, and they do want/need career security, not just financial security. I don't at all see why that's entitlement. Wanting/desiring something you're been working toward your whole career isn't a problem. It's not like these guys are auto-handed a 7-year contract upon free agency. And Simmonds in particular is likely headed for more of a 'prove it' type contract anyway
Although I'm detecting another good dose of irony, being as this board just complained that RFAs don't have any leverage and thus shouldn't get long term/big money deals...now UFAs shouldn't either? Who exactly should be getting paid? 25 year olds and only for four year terms?
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From Craig Custance, the top 20 trade candidates
1. Jacob Trouba – Jets,
2. P.K. Subban – Predators
3. Phil Kessel – Penguins
4. T.J. Brodie – Flames
5. Justin Faulk – Hurricanes
6. Jason Zucker – Wild
7. Kyle Turris – Predators
8. Chris Kreider – Rangers
9. J.T. Miller – Lightning
10. Connor Brown – Maple Leafs
11. Colin Miller – Golden Knights
12. Patrick Marleau – Maple Leafs
13. Shayne Gostisbehere – Flyers
14. Vladislav Namestnikov – Rangers
15. Jared Spurgeon – Wild
16. Brandon Saad – Blackhawks
17. Mike Hoffman – Panthers
18. Nikolaj Ehlers – Jets
19. Nikita Zaitsev – Maple Leafs
20. Olli Maatta – Penguins
and from Frank Seravalli the top 30 Free Agents
1. Artemi Panarin – Blue Jackets – Left Wing
2. Erik Karlsson – Sharks – Right Defense
3. Sergei Bobrovsky – Blue Jackets – Goaltender
4. Matt Duchene – Blue Jackets – Center
5. Jeff Skinner – Sabres – Left Wing
6. Anders Lee – Islanders Left Wing
7. Tyler Myers – Jets – Right Defense
8. Joe Pavelski – Sharks – Center
9. Mats Zuccarello – Stars – Right Wing
10. Marcus Johansson – Bruins – Left Wing
11. Robin Lehner – Islanders – Goaltender
12. Jake Gardiner – Maple Leafs – Left Defense
13. Jordan Eberle – Islanders – Right Wing
14. Alex Edler – Canucks – Left Defense
15. Gustav Nyquist – Sharks – Left Wing
16. Micheal Ferland – Hurricanes – Left Wing
17. Kevin Hayes – Flyers – Center
18. Ryan Dzingel – Blue Jackets – Left Wing
19. Anton Stralman – Lightning – Right Defense
20. Wayne Simmonds – Predators – Right Wing
21. Braydon Coburn – Lightning – Left Defense
22. Brett Connolly – Capitals- Right Wing
23. Brandon Tanev – Jets – Left Wing
24. Joonas Donskoi – Sharks – Right Wing
25. Ben Chiarot – Jets – Left Defense
26. Colin Wilson – Avalanche – Left Wing
27. Ron Hainsey – Maple Leafs – Right Defense
28. Patrick Maroon – Blues – Left Wing
29. Alex Chiasson – Oilers – Right Wing
30. Brian Boyle – Predators – Center
From Craig Custance, the top 20 trade candidates
1. Jacob Trouba – Jets,
2. P.K. Subban – Predators
3. Phil Kessel – Penguins
4. T.J. Brodie – Flames
5. Justin Faulk – Hurricanes
6. Jason Zucker – Wild
7. Kyle Turris – Predators
8. Chris Kreider – Rangers
9. J.T. Miller – Lightning
10. Connor Brown – Maple Leafs
11. Colin Miller – Golden Knights
12. Patrick Marleau – Maple Leafs
13. Shayne Gostisbehere – Flyers
14. Vladislav Namestnikov – Rangers
15. Jared Spurgeon – Wild
16. Brandon Saad – Blackhawks
17. Mike Hoffman – Panthers
18. Nikolaj Ehlers – Jets
19. Nikita Zaitsev – Maple Leafs
20. Olli Maatta – Penguins
and from Frank Seravalli the top 30 Free Agents
1. Artemi Panarin – Blue Jackets – Left Wing
2. Erik Karlsson – Sharks – Right Defense
3. Sergei Bobrovsky – Blue Jackets – Goaltender
4. Matt Duchene – Blue Jackets – Center
5. Jeff Skinner – Sabres – Left Wing
6. Anders Lee – Islanders Left Wing
7. Tyler Myers – Jets – Right Defense
8. Joe Pavelski – Sharks – Center
9. Mats Zuccarello – Stars – Right Wing
10. Marcus Johansson – Bruins – Left Wing
11. Robin Lehner – Islanders – Goaltender
12. Jake Gardiner – Maple Leafs – Left Defense
13. Jordan Eberle – Islanders – Right Wing
14. Alex Edler – Canucks – Left Defense
15. Gustav Nyquist – Sharks – Left Wing
16. Micheal Ferland – Hurricanes – Left Wing
17. Kevin Hayes – Flyers – Center
18. Ryan Dzingel – Blue Jackets – Left Wing
19. Anton Stralman – Lightning – Right Defense
20. Wayne Simmonds – Predators – Right Wing
21. Braydon Coburn – Lightning – Left Defense
22. Brett Connolly – Capitals- Right Wing
23. Brandon Tanev – Jets – Left Wing
24. Joonas Donskoi – Sharks – Right Wing
25. Ben Chiarot – Jets – Left Defense
26. Colin Wilson – Avalanche – Left Wing
27. Ron Hainsey – Maple Leafs – Right Defense
28. Patrick Maroon – Blues – Left Wing
29. Alex Chiasson – Oilers – Right Wing
30. Brian Boyle – Predators – Center
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Yes he will. Which is why Fletchers recent comments (along with the fact Vigneault likes vets, doesn't like developing youth) had me a bit alarmed. He wants to be very aggressive this summer with moves. He said he'd love to have a team of 26 yr olds on 8 year deals. He also said the Flyers need a #2 center, a top winger, a top defenseman and a 'goalie or two' when the reporter asked him about the goalie comment, and Carter Hart, he did give props to Hart for playing well and mentioned the competitive camp, but said that the NHL is a tough place for 20 and 21 yr olds , that seasoning is a good thing. Won't be a boring summer...
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Wayne Simmonds has made approximately $30M over the course of his career. Now, I don't know if Wayne has concerns about financing his lifestyle over the rest of his life, but I certainly am not going to shed a tear if he didn't apply a little common sense to saving some money.
You act as if all these guys do is work out and play hockey. Seems to me we saw some posts recently about how much time some waste on-line playing video games. So yes, every single one of them owe it to themselves to learn about saving and investing money.
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RFAs don't have leverage, but the very talented ones aren't going to starve.
My comment about Simmonds was based on his reported desire for a long-term contract. My question to him would be why would he think a GM would even consider it. BTW, I wouldn't mind having him around for a couple of years. The guy plays hard and gets greasy.
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Just because he's asking for it doesn't mean he expects to get it, but there's no sense in not asking for it.
And it's not like GMs don't hand out bad long term contracts.
There's actually a really good 30 for 30 on what happens with young players that are suddenly handed multi-million dollar contracts when they've never seen that kind of money before in their life. Many are smart about it, but many aren't. Some get screwed by accountants that steal from them or in the case of Jack Johnson, his parents. Family and friends leeching off you. The allure of "I can buy anything and live anywhere" is much stronger than you think, especially as an 18-yr-old or 20-yr-old.
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