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Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

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Odds that one hurts the other in practice at some point? Albeit Gudas injuring Couturier in practice was an accident.
 


good pickup for the Pens, and they gain 3M in much needed CAP space. He's a speedy forward who can play wing and center. Maata's game has fallen off., not sure he'll regain footage in chicago.
 
If SJ signs Karlsson they also lose a 2nd round pick. Their upcoming picks will look like this:

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Doug Wilson has to win now and he knows it. They've had a great run of positive seasons but no one is going to remember that. They have some solid young talent in Couture, Hertl, and so on, but those guys aren't reliable game changers like Burns, Pavelski, and Thornton, who will all be gone very soon. Karlsson would just be the stick that jams the window open temporarily, albeit one made of balsa wood that could snap at any moment.

He really should just pass on signing EK and both Joes and suck for a few years, they could develop some really good players to supplement what they have and try to get them all peaking at the same time. That's a strategy that is known to work, but he'd probably be gone if he did that so I fully expect him to try and go all in. Who cares if the village is burning if you are already gone.
 
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Fishhead said:
Doug Wilson has to win now and he knows it. They've had a great run of positive seasons but no one is going to remember that. They have some solid young talent in Couture, Hertl, and so on, but those guys aren't reliable game changers like Burns, Pavelski, and Thornton, who will all be gone very soon. Karlsson would just be the stick that jams the window open temporarily, albeit one made of balsa wood that could snap at any moment.

He really should just pass on signing EK and both Joes and suck for a few years, they could develop some really good players to supplement what they have and try to get them all peaking at the same time. That's a strategy that is known to work, but he'd probably be gone if he did that so I fully expect him to try and go all in. Who cares if the village is burning if you are already gone.
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Young? Couture is 30.

Pavelski, Couture, Thornton, Haley, Nyquist, Braun, Burns, and Vlasic all 30+

Donskoi, Kane, M. Karlsson, Dillon, E. Karlsson, Jones all 28+
 
Fishhead said:
Doug Wilson has to win now and he knows it. They've had a great run of positive seasons but no one is going to remember that. They have some solid young talent in Couture, Hertl, and so on, but those guys aren't reliable game changers like Burns, Pavelski, and Thornton, who will all be gone very soon. Karlsson would just be the stick that jams the window open temporarily, albeit one made of balsa wood that could snap at any moment.

He really should just pass on signing EK and both Joes and suck for a few years, they could develop some really good players to supplement what they have and try to get them all peaking at the same time. That's a strategy that is known to work, but he'd probably be gone if he did that so I fully expect him to try and go all in. Who cares if the village is burning if you are already gone.
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Where is Burns going? And you have to remember that nobody ages in SJ. He's not the guy anymore, but a 39 year old Thornton, on less than 2 knees I guess, still had 51 points. The Sharks will find a way to be good again.
 
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hahaha, please god let this happen.

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San Jose fans think keeping Karlsson makes them contenders. They don't have a clue in San Jose.

KingsFan7824 said:
Where is Burns going? And you have to remember that nobody ages in SJ. He's not the guy anymore, but a 39 year old Thornton, on less than 2 knees I guess, still had 51 points. The Sharks will find a way to be good again.
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Good, but not good enough.
 
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Good, but not good enough.
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That may be, but what else are they going to do? They're locked in forever with Couture and Burns. Kane and Vlasic too. If they were sitting at the bottom of the league, then maybe they would wilt to reality. The Kings broke them in 2014, and since then, they've been to the Final and conference final, along with the playoffs in general in 4 of 5 years. The 6th most playoff games in that time, 10 off the top spot, and almost 20 games ahead of anyone else behind them. They're not going to just tear it all down because they don't have enough. Not that they could, they have a lot of old guys with big contracts.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
That may be, but what else are they going to do? They're locked in forever with Couture and Burns. Kane and Vlasic too. If they were sitting at the bottom of the league, then maybe they would wilt to reality. The Kings broke them in 2014, and since then, they've been to the Final and conference final, along with the playoffs in general in 4 of 5 years. The 6th most playoff games in that time, 10 off the top spot, and almost 20 games ahead of anyone else behind them. They're not going to just tear it all down because they don't have enough. Not that they could, they have a lot of old guys with big contracts.
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Do they really need to compound the situation with another 8-year contract isn't over until the player is 37 years old?

I agree, Wilson is in no position to tear it all down, but he painted himself into that corner. He also isn't in a position to win it all, and with the dearth of draft picks San Jose has coming over the next few years, it's time to pay the bill.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Where is Burns going? And you have to remember that nobody ages in SJ. He's not the guy anymore, but a 39 year old Thornton, on less than 2 knees I guess, still had 51 points. The Sharks will find a way to be good again.
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San Jose has older players that score because they don't play defense. They allowed 1 less goal than the Kings last year, that's beyond pathetic with the players they have back there. And it's only getting worse. Their GA/GP has ballooned over the last 3 seasons: 2.44 to 2.76 to 3.15. This is the reason that older guys can sustain those numbers, they aren't having to make an effort to play both ways. That is not a recipe for success in the NHL. They blew their shot, I would be shocked if they got another one.

The Sharks will probably be fine next year, but they aren't going to win a cup playing like that. Wilson went for it and they blew their shot, and he's likely going to pile on to his problem - one which we are all to familiar with around here.
 
This is how a team destroys itself from within. They can't get to the point where they understand that the window is closing and instead try to milk it until they can't recover. The Sharks are not going to win a Cup. Signing Karlsson is desperation.
 
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AzKing said:
This is how a team destroys itself from within. They can't get to the point where they understand that the window is closing and instead try to milk it until they can't recover. The Sharks are not going to win a Cup. Signing Karlsson is desperation.
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Wait...so a team that signs a 29 year-old defenseman who is one of the most dynamic and talented players in the league is "destroying itself from within"? When did things get so crazy to make statements like this? So because they might not win the cup in the future all hope is lost and the rebuild should begin? The Sharks have set themselves up to compete for the next five years...who cares after that? They've still got young talented players like Kane, Hertl, Meier, and Lebanc and they can replace older guys like Pavelski and Thornton as they retire.

San Jose is doing what an organization with a winning culture SHOULD do. Maximizing their roster and letting them compete every year. Are they "old" in hockey terms? Yes, but so were the Red Wings in the Yzerman/Lidstrom era and they did nothing but excel every year. They might not have won the cup but they were always in the hunt and their culture was that of a winner.

Same with Vegas...no way should an expansion team do what they did. And the traditional logic dictated that McPhee be a seller instead of a buyer at the TDL in their inaugural year. But McPhee decided to build a winning culture and brought in even more talent. Will they be bad in five years? Who cares!! The fans are excited and the organization is brimming with a winning culture.

At the other end of the spectrum are teams like Ottawa and Buffalo. Will they be good in five years? Maybe but that seems like eons away if you go read their boards. The discontent is palpable. There is no winning culture whatsoever in those organizations. The Kings are perilously close to going down that very dark path. The LAST thing Kings fan should be criticizing is what the Sharks are doing. They have a veteran core and they want to make those years count. I applaud them for that.
 
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Wait...so a team that signs a 29 year-old defenseman who is one of the most dynamic and talented players in the league is "destroying itself from within"? When did things get so crazy to make statements like this? So because they might not win the cup in the future all hope is lost and the rebuild should begin? The Sharks have set themselves up to compete for the next five years...who cares after that? They've still got young talented players like Kane, Hertl, Meier, and Lebanc and they can replace older guys like Pavelski and Thornton as they retire.

San Jose is doing what an organization with a winning culture SHOULD do. Maximizing their roster and letting them compete every year. Are they "old" in hockey terms? Yes, but so were the Red Wings in the Yzerman/Lidstrom era and they did nothing but excel every year. They might not have won the cup but they were always in the hunt and their culture was that of a winner.

Same with Vegas...no way should an expansion team do what they did. And the traditional logic dictated that McPhee be a seller instead of a buyer at the TDL in their inaugural year. But McPhee decided to build a winning culture and brought in even more talent. Will they be bad in five years? Who cares!! The fans are excited and the organization is brimming with a winning culture.

At the other end of the spectrum are teams like Ottawa and Buffalo. Will they be good in five years? Maybe but that seems like eons away if you go read their boards. The discontent is palpable. There is no winning culture whatsoever in those organizations. The Kings are perilously close to going down that very dark path. The LAST thing Kings fan should be criticizing is what the Sharks are doing. They have a veteran core and they want to make those years count. I applaud them for that.
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HF Boards posters think every team should be in re-build mode and there is only one way to win-they just can't explain how but it involves a lot of 18 year old hockey players.
 
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HF Boards posters think every team should be in re-build mode and there is only one way to win-they just can't explain how but it involves a lot of 18 year old hockey players.
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Bingo!

A rebuild has its time and place but should never but the 1st choice of an organization. For every one that works there are 10 that don't. That line of thinking has become an epidemic here...and it is a losing attitude.
 
Teams will just never learn.

I know we try and justify our players by saying we are also paying them for past accomplishments, and that argument certainly has some merit but does SJ really think they are going to get value much out of this the rest of the way? Does Doug Wilson not want to look dumb if he walks after 1 year? That might have some merit too, but Wilson is now also going to include an additional pick to try and save face?

I don't know, I still feel like signing someone to an 8 year 10m+ contract where most of those years are in there 30's is rarely good for the club.
 
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Herby said:
Teams will just never learn.

I know we try and justify our players by saying we are also paying them for past accomplishments, and that argument certainly has some merit but does SJ really think they are going to get value much out of this the rest of the way? Does Doug Wilson not want to look dumb if he walks after 1 year? That might have some merit too, but Wilson is now also going to include an additional pick to try and save face?

I don't know, I still feel like signing someone to an 8 year 10m+ contract where most of those years are in there 30's is rarely good for the club.
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You realize we're talking about one of the best players in the league in his prime, right? And that extra pick is a 2nd which is likely to be in the 50-60 range. BFD!

The Kings can only dream of drafting a player half as good anytime in the next five years of their rebuild.
 
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