It would be extremely complicated to calculate the amount, but I wouldn't mind higher income-taxed teams having more cap space if this continues to become a trend in the league. If players are going to flee certain locations to places like Florida and Texas because of the no income tax, the league has to do something about it.
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GameSeven
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Agreed, but stretching the benefit as a "signing bonus" is a bit disingenuous.
In order to be state-taxable *only* one of the tests that must be met is that "the bonus is not conditional on playing any games for the team". If the bonus were contingent on playing games for the team, it must be treated as salary earned in all states and taxable as such.
Who believes, no matter what the legalese, that these bonuses are simply for putting your name on the bottom line and not as salary for playing the games?
Heck, if that were the case, limit the *bonus* to the first year (the actual signing) instead of recurring yearly.
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Places with lower/no income tax tend to be less desirable places for NHL players anyway - smaller markets, etc.
Tampa Bay is lucky that they're really good right now, as they can attract free agents with the promise of a great team and lower taxes so they can fit it under the cap better.
Arizona, Panthers, Dallas - no one is flocking towards them.
It's a nice benefit for smaller marker teams that don't have the glitzy market / endorsement allure that LA, NYC, Toronto have.
Tampa Bay is lucky that they're really good right now, as they can attract free agents with the promise of a great team and lower taxes so they can fit it under the cap better.
Arizona, Panthers, Dallas - no one is flocking towards them.
It's a nice benefit for smaller marker teams that don't have the glitzy market / endorsement allure that LA, NYC, Toronto have.
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I don't know if it's fair to say nobody is flocking to Dallas when they've been frontrunners for Tavares and Karlsson.
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Well, Tavares didn't sign in Dallas. And more than one rumor says that EK is only interested in re-signing with TB.
But that's the point - places that wouldn't normally be destinations become destinations because you can make more money with less taxes.
Without that selling point, no one's flocking to them. Makes it fairer overall.
I'm guessing Tavares isn't even considering Dallas without that tax situation.
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eventually the yotes will be better and will be a destination with dallas on the verge of being good like someone else mentioned they were in on tavares and EK.
besides i know that zona and tb and are "small" markets but they also have insanely huge benefits of being great weather cities.
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to me a player signing for 10 million in one area and it is equal to signing for 12 in another area and both teams have the same salary cap? i dont understand how that isn't a huge advantage. it doesn't even have to be to attract big name players. just in general their roster players will be able to "take less" then other teams
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Bingo.
It undermines (dare I say circumvents) the entire concept of a 'hard cap'.
I'm not sure the league can really do anything about it, though. Taxes be complicated.
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Well.. then you have us. Little chance for endorsements, brutal taxes.
At least... the travel is light within the metro?
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So Stamkos doesn't have the same endorsement options as Hall?
Ok, I'll stop...There are many people who consider Florida and Arizona to have poor weather. I personally find Phoenix to be the least attractive city in the USA due to its high heat and low density suburban sprawl. The Japanese put great value in their four seasons and see areas that lack them inferior.
Likewise, players are taking a big risk using taxes as a deciding factor because they can be traded. If Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, etc. get traded to a high tax team then they've essentially thrown away millions of dollars by signing a non-competitive contract.
Likewise, players are taking a big risk using taxes as a deciding factor because they can be traded. If Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, etc. get traded to a high tax team then they've essentially thrown away millions of dollars by signing a non-competitive contract.
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i personally wouldn't like zona either for the heat but it definitely has its advantages when it isn't 120. besides the summer months there are the off season when players probably aren't even home most of the time
the fans that have it the worse are the jets. i really doubt anyone wants to play there with the winters and then the travel to boot.
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Seconded. I found Phoenix to be incredibly bland. Florida is just terrible for a variety of reasons but weather and boring geography are at the top of the list. I'd never live in either of those places. The hot/nice weather thing I think is overstated.
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florida yeah maybe its boring and too humid for me. zona has great geography the entire south west is amazing i've driven vegas to the canyon and it was incredible.
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Northern Arizona is definitely better. I was specifically speaking about Phoenix though.
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Exactly. I don't care how good looking he is or how good he is at goaltending, Henrik Lundqvist isn't in ads/actually semi-famous if he's playing for Dallas instead of in NYC.
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Good for him, can't knock a guy for taking a discount to go home and be closer to his kid. All the best to him.
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That sounds like a reach. I'm guessing the residency of his child had more to do with Maroon taking a one year deal at a discount. If STL does give him a four year deal in January that's a deal most here would rather NJ pass on.
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Is Marty his kid's name?
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Maroon left money on the table to go to a possible cup contender and hometown AND to see his f***ing son. Imagine being away from your family 6-7 months out of the year. When you’ve made some money, you can afford a pay cut to be happy.
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