Around the League 20-21 Thread: Playoffs Edition

[Herby]

He gets there at almost the same time. It's not like he hit him a few seconds after he scored.

It wasn't a late hit. It was a high hit. The onus is on the players to not make the head the principal point of contact. Especially when you are skating at that speed.

I don't know if it warrants a suspension, maybe 1. It's obvious not Kadri like, and there wasn't intent, he was trying to make a play but you just can't check people in the head at that speed.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I guess the idea that nhl players have to keep their heads up out their and not get caught puck watching is a bygone. I didn’t enjoy seeing Tyler Madden get hit hard and injured, but I also thought it was a hockey play and he hopefully learns from it. I’m fine with hits to the head being punished without the benefit of nuance or context. But plays like Scheiffle on Evans are going to happen whenever players are not aware of their positions on the ice.

 

[kingsholygrail]

It wasn't a late hit. It was a high hit. The onus is on the players to not make the head the principal point of contact. Especially when you are skating at that speed.

I don't know if it warrants a suspension, maybe 1. It's obvious not Kadri like, and there wasn't intent, he was trying to make a play but you just can't check people in the head at that speed.

I think it's through the body. Unless you got an angle that shows the principle point being his head, I can only shrug here. Now the force of the hit definitely makes him sort of fold around the guy, so it can look that way.

 

[kovacro]

God that was a brutal hit... looks bad.Evans isn't moving, stretcher on the way.

That was bad by Scheifele. You would think a suspension would be in order.

Hopefully Evans is ok.

 

[Herby]

I think it's through the body. Unless you got an angle that shows the principle point being his head, I can only shrug here. Now the force of the hit definitely makes him sort of fold around the guy, so it can look that way.

Look at the video clip below your post. He lowers his shoulder and then the shoulder makes contact with the head, that is what could get him suspended, had he just plowed through him without lowering the shoulder and hitting the head he might only get a charge.

 

[Herby]

I guess the idea that nhl players have to keep their heads up out their and not get caught puck watching is a bygone. I didn’t enjoy seeing Tyler Madden get hit hard and injured, but I also thought it was a hockey play and he hopefully learns from it. I’m fine with hits to the head being punished without the benefit of nuance or context. But plays like Scheiffle on Evans are going to happen whenever players are not aware of their positions on the ice.

Long bygone and for the better. You can still demolish someone who watching their pass, but it can't be to the head like this once was, to many lives ruined by concussions.

A lot of guys should learn to use the Rob Blake hip-check or butt-check.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Look at the video clip below your post. He lowers his shoulder and then the shoulder makes contact with the head, that is what could get him suspended, had he just plowed through him without lowering the shoulder and hitting the head he might only get a charge.

You can't see the point of contact definitively from the angles I've seen so far. We'd need one from the other side. It doesn't look like a headshot to me. His injury is coming from the way he fell which looked like something from the NFL.

 

[BigKing]

Result is horrible but you shouldn't be able to suspend someone for hitting too hard.

Didn't target the head and coasted into the hit. He just happened to be going fast already and Evans stepped on to the trolley tracks.

Long series. You have a chance to bury a guy in Game 1, you bury him. Unfortunate result but Scheifele isn't thinking he's going to put him on a stretcher: he's just going to bury him. Want to score this empty net goal? There will be a price paid. Just sucks that he wound up overpaying for it.

 

[HookKing]

Damn, Aves/GN's is just insane.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Result is horrible but you shouldn't be able to suspend someone for hitting too hard.

Didn't target the head and coasted into the hit. He just happened to be going fast already and Evans stepped on to the trolley tracks.

Long series. You have a chance to bury a guy in Game 1, you bury him. Unfortunate result but Scheifele isn't thinking he's going to put him on a stretcher: he's just going to bury him. Want to score this empty net goal? There will be a price paid. Just sucks that he wound up overpaying for it.

That's the way I see it, but we'll see how the NHL feels. Circumstance wise it's 4-3 with a minute left and you're seeing a guy trying to get the empty netter and you think you can get there first to keep your team in it? It's gonna be a big collision.

 

[Schrute farms]

He lowered his body/head while puck watching and coming toward the opponent. Easy to say don’t hit the guy in the head. But blame must also be giving to the Havs player for not being smart.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

VGK penalty kill just can’t hack it out there

 

[Bandit]

He must be the fastest skater in the NHL to go 200ft in a couple seconds.

He went at least half of it. Notice that there are no Jets in frame and that’s half the rink.

 

[BigKing]

VGK penalty kill just can’t hack it out there

Who can? First unit is insane.

 

[deeshamrock]

Targeting the head doesn't matter in this play. If he did target the head it would just add on to the repercussion.

It's one of the worst charging hits I've seen in a long time.

And at the end of the game during an empty net play.

Easy suspension.

Weber should force Scheifele have to drop the mitts when he gets back in to the series.

Edmundon was pissed off post game and was asked about the hit, said it was dirty, that the league should take care of it but if they don't , "we'll make his life miserable."

 

[kingsholygrail]

He went at least half of it. Notice that there are no Jets in frame and that’s half the rink.

That's not the entire rink and he's going where Evans is going to be because of the wraparound. Why didn't Evans just go back the other way or did he ever bother to look up?

 

[BigKing]

He went at least half of it. Notice that there are no Jets in frame and that’s half the rink.

Evans is going for a walk in the park like it's a pre-season empty net goal opportunity.

Want to take the quickest route to the net for the empty net goal? That's where the other team is going to go first. Still a price to pay in this league at times if you want to go to the front of the net.

We all hate the result but the ensuing freak out over it is another brick in the wall for taking hitting out of the game. We're already rightfully penalizing head shots but this is a case of simply hitting someone too hard.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Kind of funny how the shoe is on the other foot for VGK, they aren’t a match for COL skill players. Reminds me a lot of the Kings in their last playoff series vs VGK. They just tried to hang on and block shots.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Result is horrible but you shouldn't be able to suspend someone for hitting too hard.

Didn't target the head and coasted into the hit. He just happened to be going fast already and Evans stepped on to the trolley tracks.

Long series. You have a chance to bury a guy in Game 1, you bury him. Unfortunate result but Scheifele isn't thinking he's going to put him on a stretcher: he's just going to bury him. Want to score this empty net goal? There will be a price paid. Just sucks that he wound up overpaying for it.

I kind of feel this way. I'm conflicted on the hit.

On one hand, Schiefele is a bit of a punk ass anyway, he was already clearly riled up, and there's no attempt at all to stop the puck (see his stick position)--it was always about blowing up Evans. On the other hand, he's not ineligible to be checked, and hell, I watch my ass there even in beer league. Evans has to take better care of himself. BUT--MS definitely headhunts there, the result says it all.

I actually think he'll get a game or two--and people will be mad asking for more AND less. It's just a no-win situation imo--MS SHOULD throw the hit without headhunting, Evans SHOULD protect himself, but instead we all got the worst of both.

Feel for Evans, had a great thing going. But I also f***ing hate Schiefele, he's a low key dirtbag

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Haven't had this much fun watching hockey outside the Kings Cup runs. This Avalanche team is just...holy moly. Out of my seat like 5 times in the first alone between Mackinnion near the net and Makar near the line.

Love watching VGK get their teeth kicked in. Just gotta hope they don't injure anyone.

 

[Herby]

Evans is going for a walk in the park like it's a pre-season empty net goal opportunity.

Want to take the quickest route to the net for the empty net goal? That's where the other team is going to go first. Still a price to pay in this league at times if you want to go to the front of the net.

We all hate the result but the ensuing freak out over it is another brick in the wall for taking hitting out of the game. We're already rightfully penalizing head shots but this is a case of simply hitting someone too hard.

The league doesn't want these hits in the game man, we can argue about intent, point of contact, elbow, charge, context of the game. And I don't think this is nearly as bad as some of the other ones in these playoffs.

But the league doesn't want these hits, and they tell the players time and time again to stop and will suspend players until they do.

Scott Stevens and Ronnie Lott wouldn't be able to play the way they did in their respective sports today. I know people are nostalgic for it sometimes, and I hate the flags on 3rd down for targeting, but there is a reason for them.

 

[Bandit]

That's not the entire rink and he's going where Evans is going to be because of the wraparound. Why didn't Evans just go back the other way or did he ever bother to look up?

Evans is going for a walk in the park like it's a pre-season empty net goal opportunity.

Want to take the quickest route to the net for the empty net goal? That's where the other team is going to go first. Still a price to pay in this league at times if you want to go to the front of the net.

We all hate the result but the ensuing freak out over it is another brick in the wall for taking hitting out of the game. We're already rightfully penalizing head shots but this is a case of simply hitting someone too hard.

I already acknowledged that it wasn't the entire rink, but it was at least half of it, and more like 2/3 which is way too much.

A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean that the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check and opponent in any manner.

And if Schieffle really wanted to prevent a goal he would have stuck his stick out and easily deflected the puck away. That wasn't what he was doing.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I already acknowledged that it wasn't the entire rink, but it was at least half of it, and more like 2/3 which is way too much.



And if Shciffle really wanted to prevent a goal he would have stuck his stick out and easily deflected the puck away. That wasn't what he was doing.

Easily? The puck was guarded by Evans stick all the way. So he punishes him for the goal. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Bandit]

Haven't had this much fun watching hockey outside the Kings Cup runs. This Avalanche team is just...holy moly. Out of my seat like 5 times in the first alone between Mackinnion near the net and Makar near the line.

Love watching VGK get their teeth kicked in. Just gotta hope they don't injure anyone.

I don't know how Landeskog missed when Fluery was down and out. Pietrangelo got lucky as shit.

 

[Fishhead]

I get that he crossed a lot of ice, but he's also going straight for that post. If they are calling charging there because of distance traveled, I question that because of the situation. Do you expect the defense to stop? He's not following Evans, he's going where he knows he is going to end up. Anyone who says he shouldn't have hit him because that puck was going in is out to lunch. Scheifle had him lined up before the puck even leaves his stick, and he's got to make a hit there. If that wraparound hits the post and he puts in a 2nd opportunity Scheifle gets crucified. He coasted in from the circles too.

I don't even think it's clear he hit the head there. To me it looks like at the moment of contact, Scheifle's arms are down and he's pushing them out, with the primary point of contact being Evans' right shoulder. His head doesn't snap back first, his whole upper body twists and the head follows.

What I don't like about that hit is Scheifle doesn't get his stick in front of him to try to knock the puck away at all, and playing the man there isn't the correct decision. He's not making a play on the puck at all and Evans is completely vulnerable. From that aspect I can see a charging call being made.

Either way, that's a dumb play by Evans. I'm not sure how any player thinks they are not going to get pummeled there, and he didn't even look over his shoulder. Tough call on whether that's suspendable there. It happened during the course of the play, Scheifle let up, and Evans puts himself in a bad spot. I could see it either way.