Ziggy Stardust
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If the owners want non-guaranteed deals, how about players be eligible to become UFAs after 23?
That’ll make things interesting.
That’ll make things interesting.
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kingsfan28
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How about a cap on 2nd contract deals? Guys making 80 mil before they're 22 or whatever doesn't leave a lot for them to prove to get that 3rd deal.
KINGS17
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I'm game. GMs would have to make some tough decisions. Players would still have to produce or be cut.
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Ziggy Stardust
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They already have a cap on ELC’s, not sure the players would accept further limitations, especially if you have a Crosby or McDavid coming off an ELC, as opposed to an Ekblad or Yakupov.
Ziggy Stardust
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The players should also have as much leverage with opt-outs or the option to renegotiate deals if they exceed expectations. It’s only fair if you want to give owners more options to get out of the mistakes they create.
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Ziggy Stardust
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What’s preventing them from doing that now? Given how the past two CBA negotiations have gone, good luck to the league if they try to rake the players over the coals again.
When’s the last time the NHL went through a CBA negotiation that didn’t result in a lockout?
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Making the buyout not fully count against the cap or less painful is something they need to address. The owners still spend money but evidently there is a lot to go around, why hamstring your team with a Mike Richards contract when you could cut him and make the rules so it doesn't count against the cap? Kind of like how in baseball the Mets just got done paying Bobby Bonilla even though he retired years and years ago.
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Hah, Bonilla gets paid by the Mets until 2035. Imagine getting stuck with that cap hit for that long.
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...or good luck to the players if they try to hang onto things that are unreasonble.
The owners always win in a lockout. As soon as they figured out to never start a season if a CBA wasn't in place they were in the driver's seat. The owners always win in these situations, because time is on their side.
Ziggy Stardust
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What’s unreasonable? The owners asked and got term limits and a salary cap in the last two CBA negotiations, one in which an entire season was lost and another in which half a season was lost.
How much do you enjoy paying almost $100 for tickets, over $10 for beer, and over $20 for parking to attend a game? Since you think the owners are always on the right, you should be lining up their pockets with whatever amount of cash they want to charge you for entry.
kingsfan28
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Rick DiPietro is getting 1.5 mil from the Islander until 2029. Great trade and contract by Milbury.
I always wondered if the compromise couldn't be that you could still have long contracts, but after a set number of years, the contract can be terminated with no penalty.. Like 5 years guaranteed, but last 3 could be canceled.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
No way would the players ever agree to any kind of restrictions on their 2nd contracts, nor should they. The league keeps getting younger and younger and alot of these guys are franchise players in the 2nd and 3rd years of their ELC's and making 925k, how could you justify hitting them in the next contract?
The contract problems aren't with what guys get at 21, 22, 23 it's what they get at 29, 30, 31
The contract problems aren't with what guys get at 21, 22, 23 it's what they get at 29, 30, 31
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That's because players tend to be freely available only at the age of 29, 30, 31. Lower the UFA age, shorten the max contract.
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I don't necessarily think the owners are always right, they just always hold almost all of the cards. They already know the fans will come back even after missing an entire season, they know the players' careers are finite and a lost year is a big deal.
I don't think the owners "winning" affects the price of tickets or concessions one bit. Those prices are most effected by supply and demand. I usually favor the owner's position, because it makes for better hockey for the ultimate bosses, the fans. There are players whether consciously or subconsciously relax a bit when they get the big contract. There are players which simply break down physically. The best players should be making the most money. I think the owners would like to eliminate contracts like the ones Bobby Ryan, Dustin Brown, Dave Boland, Dave Backes, Brent Seabrook, Kari Lehtonen, etc. have when they aren't performing to the level of their pay.
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Free Agent Focus: Minnesota Wild
Dave Tippett has been hired as the senior advisor for the new NHL Seattle franchise. His current duties will include the building of the training facility and getting an AHL team. But there is speculation that he'll be the new head coach. It would be a good choice, I think.
Dave Tippett has been hired as the senior advisor for the new NHL Seattle franchise. His current duties will include the building of the training facility and getting an AHL team. But there is speculation that he'll be the new head coach. It would be a good choice, I think.
deeshamrock
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Blue Jackets with 3 key contracts to get done, Bob, Werenski and Panarin on July 1. They have quite a few other contracts expiring (8 UFA/3RFA ) but need to nail down these 3 to see what moves have to be made to accommodate the others.
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I like Bob, but have not been impressed with his playoff performances. Not sure if he is going to be able to put it all together for Columbus. Certainly not worth a $8M cap hit, which is probably what he will be seeking at a minimum. Columbus probably overpaid last time, which sucks because Bob's agent will be basing this negotiation on the current contract. Also Bob is 29 years of age so 4 years should be the top of the mark regarding the length of the contract.
deeshamrock
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I love Bob , still annoyed the Flyers threw him away but agree on his playoff issues. Last summer, he saw a sports psychiatrist to help him overcome some of the issues. I felt at times this year, he looked fine and made some great saves, but other times, let a couple in, which you can't do and be the playoff stud your team needs. I think they feel with each playoff run, he'll gain the confidence. I hope he does, I'd like to see him take that run with the BJ's.
They can't trade him, without him and what he does in the regular season, they are not even in the playoffs, that valuable. But I am curious about the contract. I think you're right in the 8M range and that bar was set by Lundqvist a few years back.
Time will tell...
kovacro
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So Barry Trotz is leaving the Caps, next stop NYI?
https://www.tsn.ca/trotz-steps-down-as-capitals-coach-1.1116217
https://www.tsn.ca/trotz-steps-down-as-capitals-coach-1.1116217
Looking likely he may go there. It obviously would increase the chance of Tavares staying. I still think Tavares gets to the listening period. But the Kings should have a Plan B ready.
deeshamrock
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That's not a surprise, he told Torterella when the Caps won that series he was done in DC. And as soon as Lou went to NYI, you knew this was at the top of his list. Keeping Tavares, that conversation Lou had with him, started with making the right changes. Firing Snow was the biggest one, but getting Trotz wsa critical, along with goaltending and defense, that will help keep JT there.
Rick DiPietro is getting 1.5 mil from the Islander until 2029. Great trade and contract by Milbury.
As much fun as it is to pile on Milbury, technically Garth Snow was the GM when that extension was signed. Albeit the wheels were probably in motion for that before Snow took over. That bad idea seemingly originated with their ownership.
As for the DiPietro pick itself.....
I always found it amusing that one of those three guys pictured ended up in prison.
It's funny how things worked out for the Islanders. They were initially going to take Gaborik with the top pick after winning the lottery in April 2000. Then in early May 2000 (~7 weeks before the draft), Rick DiPietro opted in (slightly different rules back then) and had to give up his NCAA eligibility. DiPietro's advisors seemed a little worried that if DiPietro stayed in the 2001 Draft, he'd get lost behind Pascal Leclaire and Dan Blackburn who were also projected to be first round goalies.
Also in late April 2000, Sanjay Kumar and Charles Wang bought the team. It always seemed like Kumar in particular suddenly got involved with who they were picking #1. We started hearing things like Kumar liking DiPietro's swagger. Also simultaneously, the Devils were en route to winning the 2000 Cup. Marty Brodeur's puckhandling was on display and DiPietro was touted as perhaps being even better in that regard. After they dealt Luongo, they criticized his inability to handle the puck which seemed odd.
If anything, I just like to picture Kumar buying the Islanders, watching a handful of playoff games where the announcers are gushing about Brodeur's puckhandling, and then deciding that's what they needed.
Kumar made the pick announcement and proudly declared that the Islanders were making history by being the first team to ever take a goalie 1st overall.
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