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Around the League '15-'16: The Coaches Are WRONG Edition

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I also think the Sens issues lie in their system. Its kind of hard to be defensively responsible when your forwards don't know how to play defense at all. Its kind of hard to stop shots when you play low aggression home base style defense.

I think another poster in one of the Karlsson threads was talking about how Karlsson gets beat all the time because in the Ottawa system, when a D-man pinches its the forwards job to take his place. In almost every system on earth, its the forwards job to pinch and the D man's job to retrieve the puck when able. There are several reasons why that is an ass backwards system:

1. Your forwards have no idea they need to be defensively responsible. On one hand you're telling them to fall back while on the other you're telling them to wait at the blue line for stretch passes.

2. Why would you create a defensive system that keeps Karlsson off the puck, that's foolish.

3. Karlsson isn't physical at all. Why would you create a pinching system that relies on him checking, which he normally doesn't do.

Ottawa, every time I see them, just has a really really really bad system. It plays to their teams weaknesses rather than their strengths.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The Sens are the only team with 6 30-point players. Them being 'awful' is overstated in the same way Habs fans would do with Price last year. Then you go to another thread and realize they're pumping PK's tires, Paccioretty is the best USA player, and so on.

Sens fans do this with Karlsson, then you see how underrated Anderson, Stone, Hoffman, Bobby Ryan are in every other thread.

The Sens problem is defensive depth. Ceci is good but needs vet help, and Methot is completely underrated. Everyone else is shades of AHL garbage without the proper insulation--i.e. they shouldn't have guys like Borowiecki and Wiercioch and Cowen together, though they could probably be decent 5 D elsewhere. They aren't outscoring their problems but that doesn't mean they're not top heavy. EK is getting a ton of points from the top guys, and I'm not saying that as a shot, but that he's playing with more talented players more frequently than they'd have you believe. They're still a bubble team but it's not like theyre a lottery team, and it makes one wonder what they could do if Karlsson wasn't being so risky offensively, because in my viewings, most of his points are coming from incredibly smart and saavy point shooting rather than rushing and pinching which is where he gets in trouble.
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Yep, they can score. They just follow their leader on the defensive end, which tells you all you need to know why their defense is ****. The funny part is that they can't waste EK's minutes on the PK (even though it takes less energy right main boards?!!)...well, they're dead last at goal prevention short-handed. If the guy could play any competent defense at all, certainly he'd be of value on the PK right? Except that he's 5th on his team in goal prevention in short-handed situations as well. And he's also 5th in goal prevention in even strength situations over 60 as well. Methot finally leapfrogged him to the last spot. So there's that for positives.
 
Took a look at Ottawa's stats and standings.

Bobby Ryan is doing well, 5 guys with more than thirty points. They have scored more than us, even Craig Anderson is doing well. Those defensive stats however...

Wonder who is the real problem on that team.
 
I agree wholeheartedly that Doughty is the better defenseman, thats clear. However, when looking at some stats to show that Karlsson gets most of his points on the PP, I found something interesting that was contrary to my previous beliefs.

Karlsson only gets roughly 35% of his points on the PP. Doughty is actually HIGHER at 44%. I thought this would be opposite but very odd indeed.

Anyways, stats arnt everything and I think Doughty ***** the eye test a lot better than Karlsson. If sens fail to make playoffs and EK still wins, it just shows how last years vote was BS.
 
I actually pointed out this mirrors what the hockey writers said last year. Doughty got the most first place votes. This was a single person single vote not a scale. Let's see how that goes over.
 
I hope Ottawa trades Karlsson for the sake of its fans. They must be exhausted from having to defend him all the time. They deserve a break.
 
HeadInjury said:
I hope Ottawa trades Karlsson for the sake of its fans. They must be exhausted from having to defend him all the time. They deserve a break.
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There isn't much reason for Sens fans to celebrate, so all they can hope for is Karlsson and him winning a Norris because he carries that team.

I'm also expecting the inevitable with Norris Trophy voting, because hockey writers will base Karlsson's impact on his team as a reason why he is worthy of a Norris Trophy, as opposed to selecting the best overall defenseman who is capable of doing more to help his team win games.
 
I've stopped raggin on Karlsson. Until we can beat the Sens and make him look as bad as we say he is.....Karlsson can win all the awards he wants.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Karlsson was a dumpster fire in his own end during the Sens games I've seen this season.
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He really, really is. Terrible at one on one. Good on the boards at disarming the puck, but horrible with contact. terrible awareness in front of his own net.

If he can get to a guy in the neutral zone or stand him up at the blueline, he's fantastic at D because he has a great stick and has a very unique talent--can disarm a player of the puck and go right on offense. If anyone at all can get to either side of him or to an inside shoulder, he's toast. And if that forward is big? MAY as well send him directly to the bench. I know GA/60 is a garbage stat by itself but it's VERY close to matching the eye test in this case. And i've been watching the Sens in the east instead of the Flyers this year to watch Stone and Karlsson in particular. I'd love to say his defensive deficiences are overblown but they're really not.

But I WILL say in his defense that his offense, despite the points, might actually be underrated. Think of how well Drew does offensively even in games he doesn't score.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Karlsson was a dumpster fire in his own end during the Sens games I've seen this season.
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And the statistics, which are just as damning as the offensive statistics are in his favor, absolutely show this. Every year except his first Norris year his defensive metrics have been garbage in comparison to elite defenders.
 
"The difference between Doughty and Karlsson is not on defense (which is very close), but on offense (which is not close at all). Karlsson is head and shoulders above Doughty. Just shows how dumb these coaches in the NHL (who have been coaching longer than I've been alive) really are. Doughty only has 27 points. That's November for Karlsson!"
 
Reclamation Project said:
"The difference between Doughty and Karlsson is not on defense (which is very close), but on offense (which is not close at all). Karlsson is head and shoulders above Doughty. Just shows how dumb these coaches in the NHL (who have been coaching longer than I've been alive) really are. Doughty only has 27 points. That's November for Karlsson!"
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Yeah, and this is April for Karlsson:

http://thesandtrap.com/forums/topic/33333-need-help-planning-an-april-golf-trip/
 
I just don't understand the thinking--and it's not just for Karlsson--that scoring a metric buttload of points is great even if you're letting even more in. Karlsson in particular is on the ice for the most goals for 5v5--but also the most against by a significant margin.

I think the argument sort of makes sense to an extent--that finding offensive players is more valuable than defense because, well, anyone in the NHL can play D but not everyone can just 'score more.' I think that's oversimplified, but ok--i'll concede that. But when the chances you take lead to chances against...

It's also frustrating because Karlsson CAN play good defense. It's just not his focus. I just don't like that he gets the benefit of the doubt--"Wow, what great offensive numbers' when talking about his offense and 'poor karlsson, asked to carry the team, of course he'll make mistakes' on D. No other d-man gets that bailout.
 
I don't have a huge issue with Sens fans saying Karlsson is better. Who knows, he may be. Doughty has been absolutely intregal in bringing the Kings championships, and I wouldn't trade him for anyone in the league.

I will say, though, that last year's Norris was a total fleecing. Doughty deserved it considering the load he was forced to carry here with the Voynov situation.
 
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