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Around the League '15-'16 IV--Awful Pacific Edition

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SettlementRichie10 said:
Times change. People (especially Edmonton fans) cling to the narrative that Gretzky was traded for money reasons. While somewhat true, Pocklington believed Gretzky was pretty much past his prime and the Oilers could move on without him while simultaneously restocking their cupboard for years to come. And he was mostly right. The Oilers won a Cup Gretzky-less just two years after.

The Penguins may be reaching that point with Crosby. Something's clearly not working in Pittsburgh, and Malkin is and has been the better on ice contributor for some time. And even selling low on Crosby would net an absurd return, the most absurd return we've seen since the Gretzky trade. One or two valued roster players, a top prospect, and multiple high round picks. Every single team in the league would be interested in Crosby, because you would most likely be sending salary back in the form of your own top guys.
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That might be going a bit too far. The same way nobody wants to be the guy trading Crosby, who wants to be the guy giving up that much for Crosby? When his cap hit is what it is, which is part of the issue in Pittsburgh. When his play might be declining. When injuries might be taking their toll. You could hamstring your own team the same way Pittsburgh looks to be finding themselves in a bind.

From the numbers standpoint, not so much the PR, it would probably be tougher for the Penguins to trade Crosby today than it was for the Oilers to trade Gretzky then. They could do it, but it would take some work.
 
deeshamrock said:
Jets contracts - Ladd seeking 6.8, Byf 6.87 and Trouba 7 .

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...ng-Jets-for-152M-in-contracts--361904251.html



They also have Mark Scheifele and Adam Lowry on the last year of their deals.

I know the 'asking' price is a starting point but no movement in all these months seems to be that the Jets number and term is a lot lower.

Trouba...really???
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Meanwhile, that team is near the bottom of the Central Division and treading water. They aren't making the playoffs, because they can't stay up with the top 5 dogs in the Central.

So if I'm the Jets I tell each and every one of those guys to go **** themselves and start the rebuild. They aren't winning a Cup with that "core," that's for sure.
 
Ron said:
Meanwhile, that team is near the bottom of the Central Division and treading water. They aren't making the playoffs, because they can't stay up with the top 5 dogs in the Central.

So if I'm the Jets I tell each and every one of those guys to go **** themselves and start the rebuild. They aren't winning a Cup with that "core," that's for sure.
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I've always been interested in how many guys the Jets still have from the team that finished up in Atlanta. Ladd, Little, Burmistrov is back, Thorburn, Wheeler, Byfuglien, Enstrom, and Pavelec. That's 8 guys left from the end of the 10-11 season. It was more than that just like 12 months ago. On the other hand, from the 2012 Kings, it's Kopitar, Brown, King, Clifford, Carter, Lewis, Nolan, Doughty, Greene, Martinez, and Quick. That's 11 guys, and they won the Cup.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Edmonton at Arizona in the 1st round if things ended today. Now there's something nobody would've predicted as possible.

Pittsburgh, nobody wants to be the guy that traded Crosby or Malkin. If there even was a chance they would trade Crosby, they'd be selling low on that one. If they traded Malkin, they're trading away maybe their best player on what seems to be a team on the downswing, so what are they adding to? The Penguins are sort of stuck. Tough to trade even one of those two guys, plus it's tough to maybe start rebuilding with having only won once with those two. Don't want to give up whatever chance they have too soon, but the ship seems to be going in a certain direction.
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I think they're stuck because they waited too long and had the team disinitegrate around Crosby/Malkin instead of shuffling money to not be overinvested in a core of those two, Fleury, Letang, Kessel. No one wants to move them, I agree, but Rutherford might as well, because he won't be getting another job if he bones this one anyway. Nashville is in nearly the same boat as Pitt by the way, but in reverse; if they move Weber for a 1C and soon maybe not.
 


So wait, this means the Rangers, Wild, and a few unnamed teams awful people too right? Since they're harboring a criminal? :sarcasm:
 
Bandit said:
Depressing stat of the day: Justin Williams has one less point than Kopitar... in one less game.
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He's riding shotgun with one of the best players in the world and when he's not he's chilling with the highest scorer on the team in Kuznetsov. Washington is legit and one of the highest scoring teams in the league while Kopitar had a slow start to say the least. Hardly anything to sweat at this point, it's the usual Kings stats when you look at our vs. anyone. No one should be shocked Williams is right back at his careerpace , either
 
deeshamrock said:
and this is what they're getting, the forward with the worst (Corsi For) CF% in the NHL

https://twitter.com/tsnscottcullen/status/676464872520052736

His CA% is also high, on the ice for almost 60% of the other teams on ice shot attempts...
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Yep--and his CF rel with the Kings was only better than Nolan while he was here. Possession black hole. Can win faceoffs, and Rangers fans said he was their shutdown guy, but he's nothing but a win-faceoff-throw-check-glass-and-out guy now.
 
As bad as Scuderi is made out to be, I think on a strong team like Chicago, in sheltered minutes, he could be an effective defender.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
As bad as Scuderi is made out to be, I think on a strong team like Chicago, in sheltered minutes, he could be an effective defender.
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agreed. And getting the pens to withold cap works well too.
This trade is a win/win IMO. The pens had a 5/6 guy they needed to play top 4 minutes, The hawks had a 4/guy they were playing as a bottom pairing.
Pittsburgh gets the better d man but has to retain so chicago gets the cap relief.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
As bad as Scuderi is made out to be, I think on a strong team like Chicago, in sheltered minutes, he could be an effective defender.
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I'm not sold. They tried it with Timonen last year and he's a far superior skater and puck handler. Scuderi on Chicago makes me happy because though he's a good defender and will help their PK, he's 5v5 forecheck and turnover fodder. Think Schultz.
 
Brad Doty said:
I'm not sold. They tried it with Timonen last year and he's a far superior skater and puck handler. Scuderi on Chicago makes me happy because though he's a good defender and will help their PK, he's 5v5 forecheck and turnover fodder. Think Schultz.
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the big win for Chicago i the added cap relief as well
 
YP44 said:
I would still trade Brown for him in the offseason.
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Okay, sorry, gotta call you on this one.

Brown's overpaid and not performing, but he's still an NHL player, it's just a bad contract. Bolland is actually full-on terrible to the point where he shouldn't be in the NHL contract be damned.
 
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