Around the League '15-'16--Is it Summer Yet? Edition

[Quattro]

That's not really fair, if Quick had signed for 5 years (or even 7, like Rinne) his AAV would be $7M.

Is Andersen in the same area code as a goalie as Quick, though?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Quick's contract looks better every season.

So does Carter's, and so would Kopitar's if it was signed in cap circumventing dream land pre-2013.

 

[kingsholygrail]

So does Carter's, and so would Kopitar's if it was signed in cap circumventing dream land pre-2013.

I blame the Eastern Conference for ruining it for everyone.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I blame the Eastern Conference for ruining it for everyone.

The Kovalchuk BS is what really **** in the Cheerios. Blame NJ.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Is Andersen in the same area code as a goalie as Quick, though?

Quick signed his before there was a limit on contract length. You can't make a 1-to-1 comparison between the contracts. As someone above pointed out, if Quick had signed a 5-year contract, his AAV certainly wouldn't be the $5.8 million it is now.

Additionally, when Quick's contract took effect (2013-2014 season) the salary cap was $64.3 million; this upcoming season's salary cap is expected to come in around $73 million. Quick's cap hit represented 9% of the salary cap when it took effect; Andersen's will be 6.8% of the upcoming season's cap.

You just cannot make a straight comparison between two contracts signed under different collective bargaining agreements in different financial eras of the league. We're kidding ourselves if we're going to pretend that Quick's contract doesn't fall on the "cap circumvention" side of the ledger.

And that's not to mention that Andersen is 4 years younger than Quick and is in the middle of what is generally a goalie's prime years, whereas Quick is on the tail end of what tends to be a goalie's prime years.

 

[YP44]

Is Andersen in the same area code as a goalie as Quick, though?

i think he is today yes. Quick has a higher level of play when he is fully on his game, but that is inconsistent. Anderson is more reliable. Now that said Anderson will never reach the level of play Quick has

 

[KopitarFAN]

Is Andersen in the same area code as a goalie as Quick, though?

Each guy at their best? No.

 

[YP44]

Each guy at their best? No.

that's probably a better way of putting it.

Anderson is more consistent i think though

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

that's probably a better way of putting it.

Anderson is more consistent i think though

How is he more consistent when he's appeared in far less games?

 

[deeshamrock]

Each guy at their best? No.

Not a fair comparison as Andersen's only played 125 games vs 475 for Quick. Andersen hasn't reached his best yet.

Andersen is a very talented goalie and that's a very good deal (5 x5 ) he signed. You build a team from the back forward and now the Leafs have a goalie. They have a bunch of good young forwards already in the mix, with Matthews on the way in Marner, Kappanen, Nylander, Brown among others. They now need to focus on defense and Gardiner is pretty good, I think Morgan Reilly has all the right tools, esp skating, to be a top d and from the little I saw of Connor Carrick, who needs more seasoning, he has the talent to be very good d. My guess is they will add to that in this years draft.
It takes time to undo so many years of mismanagement but they are trending in the right direction by building from the back forward

Calgary pushed hard for Andersen as well but fell short. Now I guess they be calling the Bolts and trying for Bishop.
Any shot at Fleury died with Rutherford's wanting the Flames #1 pick (#6 overall )in return.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/06/2...mes-bid-to-acquire-proven-starting-goaltender

That's nuts. Fleury is what, 32?
I guess Calgary could get Reimer , without losing anything, if they can't get Bishop.

 

[YP44]

How is he more consistent when he's appeared in far less games?

I think he has been in enough games to provide a solid body of work.

Quick at his best is better than Anderson at his best, but I feel like in the past three years Quick has not been his best as often as beforehand.

Don't get me wrong I take quick 10 time out of 10, and I think most would. But I think Anderson is at least in the same ballpark as Quick.

 

[YP44]

Not a fair comparison as Andersen's only played 125 games vs 475 for Quick. Andersen hasn't reached his best yet.

Andersen is a very talented goalie and that's a very good deal (5 x5 ) he signed. You build a team from the back forward and now the Leafs have a goalie. They have a bunch of good young forwards already in the mix, with Matthews on the way in Marner, Kappanen, Nylander, Brown among others. They now need to focus on defense and Gardiner is pretty good, I think Morgan Reilly has all the right tools, esp skating, to be a top d and from the little I saw of Connor Carrick, who needs more seasoning, he has the talent to be very good d. My guess is they will add to that in this years draft.
It takes time to undo so many years of mismanagement but they are trending in the right direction by building from the back forward

Calgary pushed hard for Andersen as well but fell short. Now I guess they be calling the Bolts and trying for Bishop. Or maybe Fleury.

Fleury seem to make the most sense for the Flames IMO

 

[Quattro]

I don't see Andersen as any better than Bernier was when he went there. I'm afraid he ends up on the same trash heap. They have no patience in Toronto.

 

[deeshamrock]

I don't see Andersen as any better than Bernier was when he went there. I'm afraid he ends up on the same trash heap. They have no patience in Toronto.[/ ]

In the past , yes, with the current leadership group, no. They are doing it right, clearing out the old, drafting skill, letting them get their minute sin juniors and w/the Marlies. They have a strong group of talented forwards that will be coming up next year and a very good coach. They are on the right path. Andersen is the most important step in that direction.

 

[deeshamrock]

Fleury seem to make the most sense for the Flames IMO

Not worth the #6 overall pick, and although he's been very good in the regular season, he's not the Rock of Gilbratar in the playoffs in the last 6 years or so. I've seen him crack under pressure. Both have expiring contracts and Fleury would be cheaper to resign next summer, that's a plus. But unless Rutherford comes down in price, I can't see that happening.
Calgary needs a goalie, it's just a matter of what price they are willing to pay.
Andersen would have been a good fit ,as he is younger than the other 2 and would have been closer in age to the core group they are forming. But that's not an option now.

Stamkos - Dreger speculating on what he's heard on how the Sabres are all in on Stamkos

http://www.**************.com/artic...going-absolutely-allin-on-stamkos-414405.html

But Newport isn’t talking and neither is the Tampa Bay Lightning, so nothing has changed there. But some of the numbers being speculated on are upwards of $12 million per year coming out of Buffalo

 

[KingsCourt]

Not a fair comparison as Andersen's only played 125 games vs 475 for Quick. Andersen hasn't reached his best yet.

Andersen is a very talented goalie and that's a very good deal (5 x5 ) he signed. You build a team from the back forward and now the Leafs have a goalie. They have a bunch of good young forwards already in the mix, with Matthews on the way in Marner, Kappanen, Nylander, Brown among others. They now need to focus on defense and Gardiner is pretty good, I think Morgan Reilly has all the right tools, esp skating, to be a top d and from the little I saw of Connor Carrick, who needs more seasoning, he has the talent to be very good d. My guess is they will add to that in this years draft.
It takes time to undo so many years of mismanagement but they are trending in the right direction by building from the back forward

Calgary pushed hard for Andersen as well but fell short. Now I guess they be calling the Bolts and trying for Bishop.
Any shot at Fleury died with Rutherford's wanting the Flames #1 pick (#6 overall )in return.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/06/2...mes-bid-to-acquire-proven-starting-goaltender

That's nuts. Fleury is what, 32?
I guess Calgary could get Reimer , without losing anything, if they can't get Bishop.

come on if you're JR...why wouldn't you start high and work down. The flower could make the flames a good team. 6OA is insanity. i just hope TB robs the flames of some assets for bishop

 

[Omni Owl]

Holy **** that's way too much for Stamkos.

 

[YP44]

Not worth the #6 overall pick, and although he's been very good in the regular season, he's not the Rock of Gilbratar in the playoffs in the last 6 years or so. I've seen him crack under pressure. Both have expiring contracts and Fleury would be cheaper to resign next summer, that's a plus. But unless Rutherford comes down in price, I can't see that happening.
Calgary needs a goalie, it's just a matter of what price they are willing to pay.
Andersen would have been a good fit ,as he is younger than the other 2 and would have been closer in age to the core group they are forming. But that's not an option now.

Stamkos - Dreger speculating on what he's heard on how the Sabres are all in on Stamkos

http://www.**************.com/artic...going-absolutely-allin-on-stamkos-414405.html

Agreed he is not worth the 6OA. The penquins are currently over the cap, and Calgary really is the only team looking for a #1. Maybe Carolina. So it would be a buyers market for Calgary.

 

[YP44]

Holy **** that's way too much for Stamkos.

I would be shocked if it were that high unless it was a very short term deal.

 

[deeshamrock]

Holy **** that's way too much for Stamkos.

Yeah it is...but this is GM who in 2011 signed Ville Leino to 6yrs at 4.7 per. He's not shy when it comes to overpayment. Sabres have 50M committed to 12 forwards, 4 d and 2 goalies for next season. But given the amount of talented young players that will come off of the 3 yr rookie deals in quick succession, it's hard to see how that would fit.

 

[deeshamrock]

Agreed he is not worth the 6OA. The penquins are currently over the cap, and Calgary really is the only team looking for a #1. Maybe Carolina. So it would be a buyers market for Calgary.

I thought so too but then they signed Ward. Unless that was insurance in case they didn't get anyone else.

 

[YP44]

I thought so too but then they signed Ward. Unless that was insurance in case they didn't get anyone else.

maybe they already give up Lack and send him to Pittsburgh in a package for Fleury. Pittsburgh will want a guy who can play games if need be. Murray is very unproven

 

[YP44]

Hard to believe some feel that VL retiring is cap circumvention

 

[tsanuri]

Hard to believe some feel that VL retiring is cap circumvention

Think they belong to the tin foil hat club.
And not sure if it's partly just because it's the Kings.
Just embrace the hate.

 

[Tadite]

I would be shocked if it were that high unless it was a very short term deal.

I'm not shocked. How many years has it been since a true First line 30-40+ goal scorer his age has been UFA? How many years will it be again?

When the supply is one the demand is going to be insane. Besides it's not that long ago when guys pulled 15m a year contracts. Didn't both Paul Kariya and Selanne make that?

Cap is only a problem when it's a problem.