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[majormajor]

He didn't say they are all shit, but that some are satisfied with the situation. And he didn't specify if it was just the players or the staff as well. P

Btw, look what Don Waddell said:

“The one thing is, I’m not saying it was everybody, but losing was acceptable [here] and losing is not acceptable,” Waddell told SiriusXM NHL Network Radio on Thursday. “We have a ways to go building this, but our goal every year should be to win the Stanley Cup, not just win some games...

He was the #1 floater in the turd bowl. It's not that you can't insult the effort of those rebuilding Jackets teams, it's that he situated himself outside of that problem, when he was the biggest problem.

 

[Cowumbus]

Adam Boqvist scored for the Islanders

 

[AndBoomGoesTheCannon]

He was the #1 floater in the turd bowl. It's not that you can't insult the effort of those rebuilding Jackets teams, it's that he situated himself outside of that problem, when he was the biggest problem.

This. His statement wasn’t wrong - it just ignored that he was exhibit A of the problem.

 

[Doggy]

...Add to that Laine's brutal honesty (btw Don Waddell said the same thing and I'm sure some of the players thought so too) the fire is in the roof.

I am so tired of this bullshit narrative that 'Laine basically said what Waddell said, why does Waddell get a pass from the fanbase and Laine is the target of the fanbase's ire'. These are two totally different situations. I am paraphrasing but:

Laine: losing was accepted by some people here so I stopped trying and I asked out. Rather than trying to be part of the solution, I'd rather take the easy way out and go someplace else where other's do the leading.

Waddell: losing was accepted by some people here but we will fix this.

Z wanted to be here and fix it, Boone wanted to be here and fix it, Guddy wanted to be here and fix it...Laine put his head in the sand and told his agent to get him out of there. Some players are the kinds of players you want as veterans on your team and some are not. It is clear to me Laine is not the type of player I want as a veteran leader on my team. There is more to being a hockey player than simply firing one timers on power plays and I feel confidently that's pretty much all he is...a one trick pony with no intestinal fortitude.

IOW, one asked out because he didn't have the mental makeup to be a leader and try to fix things and the other chose to take on the challenge and turn around what was clearly a troubled organization. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. The way I see it Laine was a part of the problem and Waddell solved it.

 

[Viqsi]

I am so tired of this bullshit narrative that 'Laine basically said what Waddell said, why does Waddell get a pass from the fanbase and Laine is the target of the fanbase's ire'. These are two totally different situations. I am paraphrasing but:

Laine: losing was accepted by some people here so I stopped trying and I asked out. Rather than trying to be part of the solution, I'd rather take the easy way out and go someplace else where other's do the leading.

Waddell: losing was accepted by some people here but we will fix this.

Z wanted to be here and fix it, Boone wanted to be here and fix it, Guddy wanted to be here and fix it...Laine put his head in the sand and told his agent to get him out of there. Some players are the kinds of players you want as veterans on your team and some are not. It is clear to me Laine is not the type of player I want as a veteran leader on my team. There is more to being a hockey player than simply firing one timers on power plays and I feel confidently that's pretty much all he is...a one trick pony with no intestinal fortitude.

IOW, one asked out because he didn't have the mental makeup to be a leader and try to fix things and the other chose to take on the challenge and turn around what was clearly a troubled organization. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. The way I see it Laine was a part of the problem and Waddell solved it.

A more charitable possible explanation is that Laine realized he was in a screwed up headspace and so was not going to be in a position to help the situation, and so asked out so as to keep things from getting worse for all involved.

 

[Doggy]

A more charitable possible explanation is that Laine realized he was in a screwed up headspace and so was not going to be in a position to help the situation, and so asked out so as to keep things from getting worse for all involved.

Viqsi, I truly wish him happiness and peace and if he wants to talk about his mental state and raise awareness then more power to him but keep the CBJ out of it. This should not be about his former team or teammates: an organization that from what we have been told gave him as much space and time as he needed to work on his mental health and former teammates who took up the mantle of honoring his pledge to donate to mental health charities and a fanbase that also donated to those charities to support a player's cause they felt needed their support.

 

[majormajor]

A more charitable possible explanation is that Laine realized he was in a screwed up headspace and so was not going to be in a position to help the situation, and so asked out so as to keep things from getting worse for all involved.

We don't need a charitable explanation for why he needed to move on, he obviously wasn't a fit and wasn't helping.

But that's not at all the story he told. He said he was too much of a winner for us!

 

[spintheblackcircle]

A more charitable possible explanation is that Laine realized he was in a screwed up headspace and so was not going to be in a position to help the situation, and so asked out so as to keep things from getting worse for all involved.

It's hard to honestly discuss people who are open with mental or emotional issues because if you criticize them, you can come off as insenstive or mean.

But in fact many people who do have issues that affect their behaviors are also assholes.