Around Hockey XIII (All Non-Jackets Hockey talk in here)

[cbjfaninmo]

Saw that boxscore for the Isles/Nucks. That 7 spot in the 3rd is ugly. Did Torts impode? lol

 

[EspenK]

Counting our game vs them this year...that's 20-0-2


Our style of play works great versus the rank and file teams in the league. However, the elite teams see right through us. Our record versus teams that currently have 85 or more points: 1-11-2.

That means we're 33-15-3 versus teams with currently less than 85 points.

That's an interesting stat. Further proof that it's important to grab the #2 or #3 seed in the Metro instead of just focusing on making the playoffs.[/QUOTE

I kind of knew we didn't do well against the top teams and this definitely quantifies and verifies that thought. I think it also indicates we're better than most and a ways away from being a serious contender for the Cup.

I know lots of people will say it is due to youth but I'm not so sure. Time will tell if that is the case. I think we need a few more guys to become players that are recognized as being a top 50 or 100 player. Right now I think Joey, Murray & Bob are either in that group in the case of Bob or close in Joey's case and headed that way in Murray's case. Other than that I see the need for one more forward and D man in that group. Then if the rest of the team matures a bit we could be one of the really good teams.

 

[SuperGenius]

Counting our game vs them this year...that's 20-0-2


Our style of play works great versus the rank and file teams in the league. However, the elite teams see right through us. Our record versus teams that currently have 85 or more points: 1-11-2.

That means we're 33-15-3 versus teams with currently less than 85 points.

The elite teams "see through" everyone. That's kind of why they're elite, right?

I imagine most teams have poor records at this points against teams with 85 or more points.

 

[Kington91]

The elite teams "see through" everyone. That's kind of why they're elite, right?

I imagine most teams have poor records at this points against teams with 85 or more points.

Yeah.... I don't know but I would venture to guess that almost no one has a good record against teams that are absolutely dominating the league this year. Those teams have such good records because they hardly lose.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

3-0 Boston right now over Montreal

 

[major major]

The elite teams "see through" everyone. That's kind of why they're elite, right?

I imagine most teams have poor records at this points against teams with 85 or more points.

A team that now has 90 pts has about twice as many wins as losses, so you could say the average record against them should be at least a .333 winning percentage. Instead we're 1-11. So we're doing way worse than average against the best.

 

[Bobcat110]

A team that now has 90 pts has about twice as many wins as losses, so you could say the average record against them should be at least a .333 winning percentage. Instead we're 1-11. So we're doing way worse than average against the best.

I agree. Not saying we should have a winning record...but losing 91.7% of our games to top 6 teams seems extreme.

 

[Cash for Nash]

I agree. Not saying we should have a winning record...but losing 91.7% of our games to top 6 teams seems extreme.

It is extreme. I have another Devils advocate take though.

How many of those games were played pre January when :

a). They hadn't sown up a playoff spot already

b) They weren't playing a back to back (when the CBJ had a day off)

c). Half the CBJ team was injured.

The record speaks for itself on the whole....but..

 

[bizzz*]

A team that now has 90 pts has about twice as many wins as losses, so you could say the average record against them should be at least a .333 winning percentage. Instead we're 1-11. So we're doing way worse than average against the best.

I think the sample size is too small to make any conclusions, that 12 games record means basically nothing. All the results were affected by different circumstances like luck, injuries, fatigue, officiating...
The Jackets could have been at .500 or even better if they had some luck. The home loss to the Ducks cause of Dubi's 5 min. penalty for clean hit, or a few unlucky bounces vs. Pens and Bruins (that Crosby's goal in Pittsburgh, etc.) shouldn't be considered as an important argument for global conclusions.
The last 5 losses for the Sharks were against Edmonton, Calgary, Philadelphia, Buffalo and Carolina. Does that mean that they're worse than any of those teams? I don't think so. They just lost 5 regular season games.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'll take a weird middle ground.

12 games is not too small of a sample, particularly since it's nearly 20% of the team's schedule to this point.

But I'm also not concerned about that record at this point. Here are the games in question:
Oct 12 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Oct 27 2013 - L 4-3 against Anaheim
Nov 1 2013 - L 4-2 against Pittsburgh
Nov 2 2013 - L 3-0 against Pittsburgh
Nov 14 2013 - L 3-2 (OT) against Boston
Nov 30 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Dec 9 2013 - L 2-1 against Pittsburgh
Dec 14 2013 - L 4-3 (OT) against St. Louis
Dec 29 2013 - L 5-3 against Pittsburgh
Jan 4 2014 - L 6-2 against St. Louis
Feb 3 2014 - W 4-2 against Anaheim
Feb 7 2014 - L 3-2 against San Jose

With the exception of the 6-2 loss against St. Louis and the 3-0 loss against Pittsburgh, this team hasn't been outclassed against the top teams in the league. For the most part, it's been a toe-to-toe matchup, with a couple of bounces here or there making the difference.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I'll take a weird middle ground.

12 games is not too small of a sample, particularly since it's nearly 20% of the team's schedule to this point.

But I'm also not concerned about that record at this point. Here are the games in question:
Oct 12 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Oct 27 2013 - L 4-3 against Anaheim
Nov 1 2013 - L 4-2 against Pittsburgh
Nov 2 2013 - L 3-0 against Pittsburgh
Nov 14 2013 - L 3-2 (OT) against Boston
Nov 30 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Dec 9 2013 - L 2-1 against Pittsburgh
Dec 14 2013 - L 4-3 (OT) against St. Louis
Dec 29 2013 - L 5-3 against Pittsburgh
Jan 4 2014 - L 6-2 against St. Louis
Feb 3 2014 - W 4-2 against Anaheim
Feb 7 2014 - L 3-2 against San Jose

With the exception of the 6-2 loss against St. Louis and the 3-0 loss against Pittsburgh, this team hasn't been outclassed against the top teams in the league. For the most part, it's been a toe-to-toe matchup, with a couple of bounces here or there making the difference.

Whats equally as frustrating, we should have won the bolded games, add in the Carolina and Philly meldowns, and if we did we might not even have to be talking about wild card or even playoffs.

 

[bizzz*]

I'll take a weird middle ground.

12 games is not too small of a sample, particularly since it's nearly 20% of the team's schedule to this point.

But I'm also not concerned about that record at this point. Here are the games in question:
Oct 12 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Oct 27 2013 - L 4-3 against Anaheim
Nov 1 2013 - L 4-2 against Pittsburgh
Nov 2 2013 - L 3-0 against Pittsburgh
Nov 14 2013 - L 3-2 (OT) against Boston
Nov 30 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Dec 9 2013 - L 2-1 against Pittsburgh
Dec 14 2013 - L 4-3 (OT) against St. Louis
Dec 29 2013 - L 5-3 against Pittsburgh
Jan 4 2014 - L 6-2 against St. Louis
Feb 3 2014 - W 4-2 against Anaheim
Feb 7 2014 - L 3-2 against San Jose

With the exception of the 6-2 loss against St. Louis and the 3-0 loss against Pittsburgh, this team hasn't been outclassed against the top teams in the league. For the most part, it's been a toe-to-toe matchup, with a couple of bounces here or there making the difference.

I'm also preferring not to remember that game in Chicago.

 

[Wendy Clear]

Montreal lost - again. 4 points back with 2 games in hand. Obviously one of the Habs/Lightning/Wings will get the 3rd Atlantic spot, but the more they all lose the better off we'd be in standing for a wildcard.

It's a huge and unlikely stretch, but just to imagine a scenario, *IF* the Jackets won their games in hand on various teams, they'd be 4th in the conference, behind PIT, BOS, TOR (and way ahead of TOR in ROW).

I'm not confident about the Jackets tonight, but the Rangers are at Minnesota and Leafs at L.A., so hopefully we don't lose too much ground.

 

[Jyrki]

I'll take a weird middle ground.

12 games is not too small of a sample, particularly since it's nearly 20% of the team's schedule to this point.

But I'm also not concerned about that record at this point. Here are the games in question:
Oct 12 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Oct 27 2013 - L 4-3 against Anaheim
Nov 1 2013 - L 4-2 against Pittsburgh
Nov 2 2013 - L 3-0 against Pittsburgh
Nov 14 2013 - L 3-2 (OT) against Boston
Nov 30 2013 - L 3-1 against Boston
Dec 9 2013 - L 2-1 against Pittsburgh
Dec 14 2013 - L 4-3 (OT) against St. Louis
Dec 29 2013 - L 5-3 against Pittsburgh
Jan 4 2014 - L 6-2 against St. Louis
Feb 3 2014 - W 4-2 against Anaheim
Feb 7 2014 - L 3-2 against San Jose

With the exception of the 6-2 loss against St. Louis and the 3-0 loss against Pittsburgh, this team hasn't been outclassed against the top teams in the league. For the most part, it's been a toe-to-toe matchup, with a couple of bounces here or there making the difference.

If we're consistently getting edged out by the top teams, it means we're not good enough. Close, but not there. We were clearly the inferior team when faced against the Bruins (who are simply a better version of ourselves) and the Penguins (hard to contain Sid/Malkin).

 

[punk_o_holic]

Wild hang on for the win. Final minute was crazy. Before that they had a 6-4 PP and when the penalty ended, Wild player iced it. When play continued Rangers controlled the puck and Suter broke his stick. A mad scramble in the final 10 seconds in the crease.

 

[Sore Loser]

Bozon's health improving...

For those who followed my previous link and may want an update; Kootenay Ice forward (and Montreal Canadiens prospect) Tim Bozon's health as moved in the right direction. After being placed in a medically induced coma earlier this week:

Tim Bozon remains in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) at Royal University Hospital in Saskatoon after being admitted on March 1 with Neisseria Meningitis. He remains in ICU however doctors have indicated his condition remains critical but stable and improving. He has been in an induced coma since being admitted to the ICU but doctors are now working to slowly wake him. His family has indicated that Tim has responded to verbal stimuli.

http://www.whl.ca/article/update-on-kootenay-ice-forward-tim-bozon

Things are looking up for the first time ... great to see. Bozon is a great kid and deserves nothing but the best outcome.

 

[bizzz*]

In the middle of the 2nd period Gaborik has 2 points, 2 shots, 2 PIM and he's plus 2 in 2:2 game. It should be somehow connected to the fact that he switched 0 for 2 on his jersey number.

 

[Robert]

The Blues lead the league with both Hitchcock and Miller.... are you serious...

If Hitchcock can't really win the Cup this time he needs to quit...

 

[Bobcat110]

In the middle of the 2nd period Gaborik has 2 points, 2 shots, 2 PIM and he's plus 2 in 2:2 game. It should be somehow connected to the fact that he switched 0 for 2 on his jersey number.

LA still can't help us out by beating teams we're competing against for a playoff spot.

Of course, they're cursing us too for not beating SJ.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Unlikely to get much help at all tonight (would love to be wrong)

NYR @ Winnipeg
FLA vs New Jersey
Detroit vs Edmonton
WSH vs VAN

 

[DJA]

hilarious game so far between Jets and Rags

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Appears the only game we have a chance of going our way is the WPG-NYR game. Tied at 2-2

 

[Bobcat110]

Appears the only game we have a chance of going our way is the WPG-NYR game. Tied at 2-2

Washington prefers OT losses...don't give up on them

 

[DJA]

Let's go Panthers!

 

[Samkow]

Edmonton throwing the game away with Delay of Game penalties.