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Viqsi
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WTFE...the tweet said lavender, i don't care about semantics....either way...the guy has style for Hockey Fights Cancer...
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candyman82
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Am I the only person who thinks that the John Scott hit wasn't dirty? Scott glides into Eriksson with his elbow tucked, making a legal bodycheck. To me, the principle point of contact (or whatever phrase they're using now) is Scott's forearm hitting Eriksson's chest. The shoulder hitting the head seems to be secondary and accidental.
I know a lot of people see Loui Eriksson get laid out by John Scott and think "Get that cheapshotting goon out of the game", but Scott does not have a history of supplemental discipline. The dirtiest thing he has done recently was scaring Phil Kessel. Being marginally-skilled does not deny you the right to check a skilled player.
I know a lot of people see Loui Eriksson get laid out by John Scott and think "Get that cheapshotting goon out of the game", but Scott does not have a history of supplemental discipline. The dirtiest thing he has done recently was scaring Phil Kessel. Being marginally-skilled does not deny you the right to check a skilled player.
Only? Probably not, but certainly among the few. Looked to me that the primary contact was shoulder to head, and that's suspendable.
candyman82
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The more I watch the video, the more I see forearm to chest as the primary contact and the shoulder to the head as the secondary contact. IMO, if Scott was trying to hit the head from the angle he was coming in on he would have extended his elbow.
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They are having problems with this "principle point of contact" concept. The NFL is having them too.
The "point of contact" can be difficult to determine. Of course a player's head is going to snap back even if he's hit in the chest or shoulder. Add in that the players are different heights, are wearing padding which obscures detail and are moving at high rates of speed.
To this incident specifically: I have a negative view of Scott from the Kessel/Leafs line brawl incident. However, Scott did seem surprised last night. You could read his lips as he sat in the penalty box before being sent off, he was saying "head shot?" That said, he clearly swings his elbow before and through the hit. Plus the hit is "across" instead of "through" the opposing player. Those are often the worst, and what Shanahan refers to in his explanatory vids as "improper angle."
To these kinds of things in general: I'm on record as wondering why this stuff happens all too often, questioning some players' respect for fellow players. But I'll admit the difference between a clean check and a dirty play is often a fine line.
The "point of contact" can be difficult to determine. Of course a player's head is going to snap back even if he's hit in the chest or shoulder. Add in that the players are different heights, are wearing padding which obscures detail and are moving at high rates of speed.
To this incident specifically: I have a negative view of Scott from the Kessel/Leafs line brawl incident. However, Scott did seem surprised last night. You could read his lips as he sat in the penalty box before being sent off, he was saying "head shot?" That said, he clearly swings his elbow before and through the hit. Plus the hit is "across" instead of "through" the opposing player. Those are often the worst, and what Shanahan refers to in his explanatory vids as "improper angle."
To these kinds of things in general: I'm on record as wondering why this stuff happens all too often, questioning some players' respect for fellow players. But I'll admit the difference between a clean check and a dirty play is often a fine line.
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Viqsi
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Haven't watched the video to the extent others have, but I get the impression that it was the follow-through and the angle, not the initial contact, that made it a reprehensible and evil act.
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Holy crap that's terrible. If Rimer ever put out something that lousy, I'd be embarrassed.
See my signature for how I feel about persecution complexes.
Holy crap that's terrible. If Rimer ever put out something that lousy, I'd be embarrassed.
See my signature for how I feel about persecution complexes.
Viqsi
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Oh, so now this whole "protecting stars" thing is necessary and deserved?
**** this guy.
candyman82
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Yes.
That's such a misleading picture. If you watch the video, his arm doesn't come out until after contact is made.
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If you watch the video, you will see he "winds up" his arm prior to making contact and "swings" it through making the hit.
candyman82
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He drives it through Eriksson's chest. His shoulder is what makes contact with Eriksson's head.
This was not a charge, a late hit, an elbow, nor a targetted headshot. It's a clean body-check with an unfortunate outcome.
jackets4life
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Not sure if serious? You may be correct that he does not use his elbow directly to Loui's head, but the dude went out of his way to come across the ice and pick the head. In my opinion, this will be at least a 15 game suspension, if not more.
I hope this is the time the NHL finally draws the line and stops with the little 5 game suspensions and starts really disciplining these clowns.
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comes from other side of ice in straight line for Eriksson...i was pretty certain last night it was a charge...
That's funny, the refs in charge of the game seem to think differently. Scott received a 5 minute match penalty for charging. I think you better pump the brakes on this one, you are clearly wrong on this. Scott isn't even very good at being a goon. He does this kind of crap when none of the other teams "fighters" are on the ice. I believe that Lucic, Chara and Thornton were all on the bench. Pretty gutless if you ask me.
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An important detail that you are missing is that the puck was long gone when this hit occurred. It was a dirty, late hit.
More important that John Scott's actions, IMO, is: why is he on the ice in a 4-2 game?
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