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Kev22

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I have to admit, I find it hard not to root for the Blackhawks. There is a chemistry with that team that draws you to watch them. I also hope that someday the Jackets can find a player as special as Jonathan Toews. He is just awesome and a hell of a leader as well.
 

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I have to admit, I find it hard not to root for the Blackhawks. There is a chemistry with that team that draws you to watch them. I also hope that someday the Jackets can find a player as special as Jonathan Toews. He is just awesome and a hell of a leader as well.

It's strange, for some reason I was automatically pulling for the Bruins. But when I stopped to think about it, I realized I'd rather the Blackhawks won. Just don't like the Bruins or much else that comes out of Boston. I had to keep reminding myself it is good when they lose. And as a (former) Central fan, I think I prefer Chicago do well.

Can't figure out why I was subconsciously rooting against Chicago. Too many Jackets losses? Too many stars?

Anyway, congrats, 'Hawks. May this be your last for many years.
 

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Agreed ... or poor officiating. It's been too good to have it marred.

Pretty good reffing last night.

I thought the Boston collapse was reminiscent of a team I remember watching in seasons past

Kane winning the Smythe seems okay to me. Bickell was nowhere near the factor in the final series as he was against Detroit. Case could have been made for Crawford too, imo.

Charo didn't look too good on many occasions including the first and last Chi goal (may have been the second can't remember I;m still too stunned)

Great series.
 

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It's strange, for some reason I was automatically pulling for the Bruins. But when I stopped to think about it, I realized I'd rather the Blackhawks won. Just don't like the Bruins or much else that comes out of Boston. I had to keep reminding myself it is good when they lose. And as a (former) Central fan, I think I prefer Chicago do well.

Can't figure out why I was subconsciously rooting against Chicago. Too many Jackets losses? Too many stars?

Anyway, congrats, 'Hawks. May this be your last for many years.

I found myself in the exact same position and I can't figure out why, either!
 

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I have to admit, I find it hard not to root for the Blackhawks. There is a chemistry with that team that draws you to watch them. I also hope that someday the Jackets can find a player as special as Jonathan Toews. He is just awesome and a hell of a leader as well.

I didn't root for either team, but of the teams left after the first round they were the lesser of the evils. I used to live in Chicago, so it wasn't a stretch. I respect their team, but I'll never really root for them.

Good for them and a good season by the Bruins. They represented well and it was a good series.

Now for the draft and UFA, which will be far more interesting... :p

I am sooo glad the draft will be over soon.
 

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Ya know, if Bob isn't an option, I wouldn't be horribly opposed.

Philly is a goalie graveyard and we play a similar style to the Phoenix system he thrived in.

We'd have to be very sure that Bob was no longer an option, even a hint that he'd have to play with Bryz again would probably end all talks with him!
 

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if Bob goes, we should go after Bryz. low risk, high reward. he thrived in a small market, less media.
 

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If true, time to start developing your own goal tending an let these guys walk. Let someone else pay that kind of money when the cap has went down.

I know I'll get some disdain for these type of comments, but anything over 5 million (and no I wouldn't pay Bob 5) and I'm starting to look elsewhere.

I'm not sure that I agree. In a world of "win now" you can't always wait around for the homegrown guy to develop. I'm not saying that the Jackets should run out and sign Bob for 6M, but I think a great goalie is a kin to a great quarterback in the NFL, they get paid. It is an important position that can win you games.

I think that Hiller might be a good option if you can't re-sign Bob. Find out what it might take to land both Hiller and Ryan? :naughty: Ryan Miller might be an option, but only if Buffalo would take back a contract. If a deal around Miller for Umberger + could be worked out, it would be much more palatible.

This is a two week period for the Jackets.
 

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If true, time to start developing your own goal tending an let these guys walk. Let someone else pay that kind of money when the cap has went down.

I know I'll get some disdain for these type of comments, but anything over 5 million (and no I wouldn't pay Bob 5) and I'm starting to look elsewhere.

Negotiations are progressing! A few days ago blah thought 4 mill blew chunks.:laugh:

And anyone who would even consider Bryzgalov has to be the world's biggest optimist. NFW.
 

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I'm not sure that I agree. In a world of "win now" you can't always wait around for the homegrown guy to develop.

I'm saying, build your pipeline so when you have to pay that let some other sucker do it. Make sure you always have a young talented backup.

I wouldn't ever pay around 10% of my cap space to a goal tender.
 

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If true, time to start developing your own goal tending an let these guys walk. Let someone else pay that kind of money when the cap has went down.

I know I'll get some disdain for these type of comments, but anything over 5 million (and no I wouldn't pay Bob 5) and I'm starting to look elsewhere.

The problem as I see it is that elite goaltending is difficult to find, particularly elite goaltending that lasts.

The way I see it, Bobrovsky at $5 million a year (possibly higher) may be what the market reflects. If it comes down to that, my backup plan would be:
1) Sign him
2) Amnesty Umberger, which would save $4.6 million for next year
3) By buying out Umberger, it opens up a currently-occupied roster spot up front
4) Re-sign Prospal for a year to fill that spot, and now there's the flexibility to either sign or trade for a forward without that logjam
 

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I'm saying, build your pipeline so when you have to pay that let some other sucker do it. Make sure you always have a young talented backup.

I wouldn't ever pay around 10% of my cap space to a goal tender.

Developing a goalie pipeline is nearly impossible, though, and the time frame involved makes it difficult.

I know in baseball, teams have tried to build a pitching pipeline with the theory that their value in the trade market is grossly disproportionate to their actual on-field value. This is a position that I also happen to agree with. But the problem lies in the execution; even teams that have built up a pitching pipeline have a hell of a time actually cashing in on it.
 

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The problem as I see it is that elite goaltending is difficult to find, particularly elite goaltending that lasts.

The way I see it, Bobrovsky at $5 million a year (possibly higher) may be what the market reflects. If it comes down to that, my backup plan would be:
1) Sign him
2) Amnesty Umberger, which would save $4.6 million for next year
3) By buying out Umberger, it opens up a currently-occupied roster spot up front
4) Re-sign Prospal for a year to fill that spot, and now there's the flexibility to either sign or trade for a forward without that logjam

Not a bad scenario. Cash flow wise it should be about the same-3 mill less for Umbie per year could help absorb overpayment to Bob. Still paying Umbie for not playing but hey last couple years its been pretty close to that anyway.
 

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Developing a goalie pipeline is nearly impossible, though, and the time frame involved makes it difficult.

Yeah, sure... ok

We've never seen that on any team(s) in the NHL over the last decade.

And done with this conversation.
 
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