Armchair GM

[gojetsgo]

So in other words you can't remove your head from the sand and see 55 is a major liability.

now we are moving the goal posts....

 

[bennylundholm]

now we are moving the goal posts....

There's always going to be the 55 fan club who refuse to see his consistent lack of effort to team play. And, who continue to believe he is a #1 elite centre with zero acknowledgement of his minimal effort and repeated giveaways.
Those of us who aren't in your club see that 55 is a major liability.

 

[gojetsgo]

There's always going to be the 55 fan club who refuse to see his consistent lack of effort to team play. And, who continue to believe he is a #1 elite centre with zero acknowledgement of his minimal effort and repeated giveaways.
Those of us who aren't in your club see that 55 is a major liability.

but that's not what's even being discussed...

"He is no longer looked at as a #1 center around the league. Media from all over have stated his lack of effort and zero commitment to defense and say that GM's are keen to this."

I asked you to post some sources to this and instead of doing so you basically called me a scheifele fan boy..

me wanting to see proof of other teams gm's thinking schefiele isn't a #1 center anymore does not = me being a scheifele fan boy

 

[bennylundholm]

but that's not what's even being discussed...

"He is no longer looked at as a #1 center around the league. Media from all over have stated his lack of effort and zero commitment to defense and say that GM's are keen to this."

I asked you to post some sources to this and instead of doing so you basically called me a scheifele fan boy..

me wanting to see proof of other teams gm's thinking schefiele isn't a #1 center anymore does not = me being a scheifele fan boy

If you don't believe that opposing GM's and media see 55's lack of effort, coasting and non-commitment to team defence then that is the problem my friend. It's been talked about repeatedly on Sports shows and podcasts throughout Canada and the States, too many to mention.

 

[gojetsgo]

If you don't believe that opposing GM's and media see 55's lack of effort, coasting and non-commitment to team defence then that is the problem my friend. It's been talked about repeatedly on Sports shows and podcasts throughout Canada and the States, too many to mention.

soo many yet you couldn't have just posted one? and I'm sure these shows have talked about scheifs game but I doubt any of them go as far to say that opposing gm's don't view scheifele as a #1 center anymore...

 

[bennylundholm]

soo many yet you couldn't have just posted one? and I'm sure these shows have talked about scheifs game but I doubt any of them go as far to say that opposing gm's don't view scheifele as a #1 center anymore...

1050 TSN, 960 The Fan, NHL Network, Winnipeg Sports Talk, Kenny and Renny, etc.
Tell you what, you keep believing in your world that everyone see 55 as an elite #1 center and the rest of us will think otherwise.

 

[gojetsgo]

1050 TSN, 960 The Fan, NHL Network, Winnipeg Sports Talk, Kenny and Renny, etc.
Tell you what, you keep believing in your world that everyone see 55 as an elite #1 center and the rest of us will think otherwise.

you just listed a bunch of shows... still haven't posted proof that opposing gm's don't view scheifele as a number 1 center, and where the f*** did I say scheifele was an elite number 1 center? can you please stop trying to act like I'm just being a scheifele fan boy when all I asked was for proof of what you claimed.

 

[bennylundholm]

you just listed a bunch of shows... still haven't posted proof that opposing gm's don't view scheifele as a number 1 center, and where the f*** did I say scheifele was an elite number 1 center? can you please stop trying to act like I'm just being a scheifele fan boy when all I asked was for proof of what you claimed.

They've stated on all of these shows that if the Jets are looking to trade 55 this summer that opposing GM's see his half-assed play and don't view him as a #1 center.
If you don't believe that fine. No "link" to it.

 

[raideralex99]

There's always going to be the 55 fan club who refuse to see his consistent lack of effort to team play. And, who continue to believe he is a #1 elite centre with zero acknowledgement of his minimal effort and repeated giveaways.
Those of us who aren't in your club see that 55 is a major liability.

No way 55 gets away with that with a good coach ... change the coach first and if the player does not improve trade him.

 

[tbcwpg]

soo many yet you couldn't have just posted one? and I'm sure these shows have talked about scheifs game but I doubt any of them go as far to say that opposing gm's don't view scheifele as a #1 center anymore...

Murat has said more than once on Hustler's show that he's received messages from other teams agreeing with what he writes about Scheifele. That doesn't mean it's GMs that are saying it, but he has said it.

 

[WolfHouse]

I think Wheeler is taking the failure of the season and Maurice leaving very personally and isn't dealing with it very well. I'm sure many people can relate to not handling a stressful situation very well. Fortunately for us, we don't have a hockey market's media and fans asking us about it daily.

He's getting paid $10 million this year.

 

[bennylundholm]

He's getting paid $10 million this year.

Lol. We’ll said.

 

[tbcwpg]

He's getting paid $10 million this year.

Correct, I addressed that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The blues third line is

Barbashev-schenn-kyrou

When's the last time we were able to put three players of that strong of a production on a third line? On a side note: their collection of top 9ers is quite good imo with Thomas, Perron, Tarasenko, Buchnevich, ROR, Schenn, Kyrou, Barbashev, and Saad. Not sure if this brought up enough.

Anyway,
We need better scoring depth from our bottom 6 along with better team defense, and/or D personnel. Whether that be coaching or players, not sure. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Lowry is retained.

Never mind 3rd line, when's the last time we had 3 that good on our 2nd line?

 

[DRW204]

Lowry-Scheif-Wheeler was a better third line... and we had a legit top six

That line mustered up a whopping 0 goals for. How's that better?

 

[surixon]

That line mustered up a whopping 0 goals for. How's that better?

Lowry is just killing the offense of whoever is played with him this year. Hopefully he bounces back a bit next year.

 

[10Ducky10]

Lowry is just killing the offense of whoever is played with him this year. Hopefully he bounces back a bit next year.

Hopefully bounced to the 4th line between Apples and Gus/Hark.

PLD Scheif Stastny Lowry


What I don't get is Chevy signed Stastny to play 2C and then picked up PLD.
All of a sudden, Stastny is a LWer?

 

[DRW204]

Hopefully bounced to the 4th line between Apples and Gus/Hark.

PLD Scheif Stastny Lowry


What I don't get is Chevy signed Stastny to play 2C and then picked up PLD.
All of a sudden, Stastny is a LWer?

Idk if he could have predicted he was going to 100% land PLD, and they needed a 2c. The transaction at question should be Lowry's 5*3.25m. I don't see that being moved to 4c anytime soon.

Agree on all counts. But there has always been the notion that he is somewhat unpredictable on the ice , and as a result, somewhat hard to play with. That's why I find the chemistry he has with Stastny so very interesting - they work really well together. Wolfhouse inferred that Stastny benefitted greatly from playing with Ehlers - I agree: but, I also wonder if Ehlers doesn't benefit almost as much from playing with Stastny?

You always have to take into account who else is on the ice with with/without stats. Ie: Stastny away from ehlers has been with scheifele+wheeler. But this gives you an idea.

But yes those two together gave been V good. They were in 17-18, last season and this year again

 

[ecolad]

Idk if he could have predicted he was going to 100% land PLD, and they needed a 2c. The transaction at question should be Lowry's 5*3.25m. I don't see that being moved to 4c anytime soon.


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You always have to take into account who else is on the ice with with/without stats. Ie: Stastny away from ehlers has been with scheifele+wheeler. But this gives you an idea.

But yes those two together gave been V good. They were in 17-18, last season and this year again

Thanks, much appreciated. From the data you have access to, or simply from your own eye test, I'd really like to know your thoughts on the following question -which of our C's (Scheifele or Stastny) would likely best work well with Ehlers, so as to produce a top line that consistently outscores it's competition? Simple ,right?

 

[Jack7222]

Hopefully bounced to the 4th line between Apples and Gus/Hark.

PLD Scheif Stastny Lowry


What I don't get is Chevy signed Stastny to play 2C and then picked up PLD.
All of a sudden, Stastny is a LWer?

But we said Lowry would be 3C. I don't know if you know this, but this org is bound by an ancient curse that prevents them from going back on a decision. The only way to break the curse is to perform an elaborate on-ice ritual during the Stanley Cup Finals that only Charlie Huddy knows how to do.

 

[DRW204]

Thanks, much appreciated. From the data you have access to, or simply from your own eye test, I'd really like to know your thoughts on the following question -which of our C's (Scheifele or Stastny) would likely best work well with Ehlers, so as to produce a top line that consistently outscores it's competition? Simple ,right?

Well I don't think when everyone is healthy Stastny is at C. They've seldom, if at all, gone C depth of scheifele/dubois/Stastny/Lowry.

I think ehlers and Stastny have played better together than he has with scheifele. But I think there's also a much larger recent sample size.

 

[Jack7222]

Who would people put next to Ehlers and Scheif? ESW is probably our best top line all in all historically, but not sure having Wheels up there is a good idea at this point. Perfetti?

Ehlers Stastny Scheif ?

 

[DRW204]

Who would people put next to Ehlers and Scheif? ESW is probably our best top line all in all historically, but not sure having Wheels up there is a good idea at this point. Perfetti?

Ehlers Stastny Scheif ?

Perfetti. I almost wrote Copp lol.

Connor dubois wheeler
Perfetti scheifele ehlers

Assuming Stastny leaves as a ufa.

 

[LowLefty]

IMO, Ehlers will play his best game with a center who isn't counted on to lead the line rush or drive play - Stast's is a perfect example of that.
Put him with a center who would typically drive play and Ehlers will be redundant on that line.

 

[boydkc]

Armchair GMs will always find it easier to take apart a team than build one. I don't know any of the players on a personal level, I've met some, but I believe Chevy when he says the team cares about each other more than I believe some of the other Chevy talk.

I don't think this is the year to tear the team apart.

I'd keep Dave Lowry as part of the Jets family, as an assistant. I believe he can help the special teams, and he can communicate with his players. I'd keep Wade Flaherty as well, but I'd look at changing the coaching staff. 11 years of Charlie Huddy is longevity. If Maurice can move on, I think Huddy won't be far behind. Kompon should be given the chance to be closer to his family. Which I think would open up some systematic changes to the coaching, and PP.

Personnel wise Dubois re-signing is the priority. That's not something that can wait until training camp or I think it starts off on the wrong foot.

I think communication with Mark Scheifele would be a priority to see where his head is at. If it's somewhere else then Chevy has to make a tough decision on his first ever draft pick as GM.

I'd make room for an ELC defenseman to win a spot out of training camp. Much of Copp's salary will be invested in Dubois's raise. So the movement of say Dillon's contract gives some more flexible trade options.

Also opens up bringing Stastny back. I think if he was given a 2 year deal that would be a hard one to turn down. And I think Stastny could play at a high level until 38. To me it's like it's like investing in a Patrice Bergeron.

I'd probably trade Vesalainen for RH forward depth or prospect, even a draft pick. I'm not sure he doesn't go back to Finland if he gets a 2 way contract, but that's speculation. I don't think he's played well enough to get a 1 way contract.

Gustafsson contract should be easy. I think he's earned the 1 way.

I think Svetchnikov should get a QO, and at least $1 million for his contribution this year.

Appleton probably gets more for being a special teams player.

I'd give Harkins one more year to compete as a 4th line player. There's some talent to work with. Though I'd wouldn't be adverse to moving him for a RH C/RW, maybe a Morgan Geekie.

Kovacevic gets a 2 way contract, and a chance to compete for a roster spot in training camp.

I'd re-sign Comrie to a modest raise. I think he played well enough to get another chance.

Something like

Connor-Dubois-Wheeler
Ehlers-Stastny-Scheifele
Barron-Lowry-Appleton
Perfetti-Gustafsson-Svetchnikov
Harkins, Toninato

Perfetti can move up the lineup. 1st injury replacement for the top 6. Takes Copp's PP time. I'd be gradual with his development. After this season I think having a 4th line that can score, and not get scored on, would help the Jets become a better 4 line team.

Morrissey-De Melo
Samberg-Pionk
Stanley-Schmidt
Kovacevic

Heinola as #8. I'd like his chances more if Schmidt is moved, instead of Dillon, as the PK personnel becomes an issue, but I see virtually no chance of Schmidt being traded again, that salary is going to be something the Jets would have to eat part of to move.

Maybe bring in a Madison Bowey to compete in TC, for RD depth.

Other than Reichel and Eyssimont, unless Torgersson surprises in his first year, I don't see a lot of callup potential. Maybe Lucius signs late season.

I think this team would come in around the $80 million mark, which leaves some room to manoeuvre.






I'd be looking at what happens in the Central, I think there's a chance Forsberg signs somewhere else than Nashville, Minnesota is paying a lot for Suter and Parise next season. So they won't be able to make a lot of moves. Dallas probably loses Klingberg. I'm not expecting a massive rise out of Chicago and Arizona.

I think if Morrissey keeps improving, which he has, the Jets lack of a true #1 defenseman won't loom so large. Pionk probably isn't a true #2, but he's shown potential, and I think there is something good that could come of a full season of Samberg- Pionk, knock on wood. I don't think Ville the kid is ready to be a #3, that's why I'd keep Schmidt around. When I look at the young players who are competing for spots beyong Samberg, in Stanley, Heinola, Kovacevic, and Chisholm I have a hard time seeing how Dillon complements them. The more mobile this defense becomes, I think there is enough talent to be an efficient puck moving team, with a different coaching style. If Perfetti is ready to make a full time jump, and some of the young players have an impact, which wasn't so much the case this year, the Jets have some players on board who can get them back to the playoffs. Might just take a new coach and a season to regroup. I'd give the core one more season to compete.

I like what you did with the forward group perfect putting Schiefele on the wing however maybe I flip Schiefele and Wheeler.

I think Heinola is an important part of this team.

I move for sure schmidt and possibly Dillon for some forward prospects or picks.

My third pair is Heinola and Kovacevic.
Stanley is my #7.