Speculation: Armchair GM Thread III: Post Deadline, Now with more armchairing

[Figgy44]

If Big Buff calls it quits, gotta think Winnipeg will be desperate to add a Veteran D. They will have lost Buff, Trouba, Myers and Chiarot in 1 offseason.

Brodie could command a lot from them.

The problem then becomes that they have huge assets to move to fill in that hole. If they then dangle Laine, they're targeting premium top pairing RD players that Hamonic and Brodie don't qualify for. Doing so would be two birds with one stone. I don't see how we technically have leverage... Unless we attempt to match by targeting two of their assets with Michael Stone?

I think Brodie and Hamonic are equal and I think we can use them interchangeably.

Although...

What if it was something like:

Frolik + Hamonic/Brodie with extension + pick for Ehlers?

Hamonic in top 4, Frolik to cover for loss of Ehlers. Winnipeg takes on more cap, but that's fine since Buff's cap opened up.

Flames push out extra cap of 2.X AAV and upgrades top 6.

 

[JPeeper]

With Laine all but out of Winnipeg;

Brodie + Hamonic + 2nd for Laine + Bourque

Clears $7.8 mil in cap space. Total capspace to sign Tkachuk + Laine is $14.14, however if the Flames rock a 21 man roster we save another $700+k giving us $14.875 mil in capspace.

Tkachuk 7 x $8.5
Laine 6 x $7.5

Would need to clear an additional $1.125 mil, so offload Frolik for someone cheaper.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Laine
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Dube-Ryan-Bennett
Lucic-Janko-Mangiapane

Gio-Ras
Vali-Hanifin
Kylington-Stone

If Vali was healthy, I'd be completely OK with that defence. Since he's done, put Kylington on 2nd and bum MacDonald on the 3rd. Won't need defence for the regular season with that offensive depth.

 

[Figgy44]

With Laine all but out of Winnipeg;

Brodie + Hamonic + 2nd for Laine + Bourque

Clears $7.8 mil in cap space. Total capspace to sign Tkachuk + Laine is $14.14, however if the Flames rock a 21 man roster we save another $700+k giving us $14.875 mil in capspace.

Tkachuk 7 x $8.5
Laine 6 x $7.5

Would need to clear an additional $1.125 mil, so offload Frolik for someone cheaper.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Laine
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Dube-Ryan-Bennett
Lucic-Janko-Mangiapane

Gio-Ras
Vali-Hanifin
Kylington-Stone

If Vali was healthy, I'd be completely OK with that defence. Since he's done, put Kylington on 2nd and bum MacDonald on the 3rd. Won't need defence for the regular season with that offensive depth.

That roster is going to be bad if there's injuries.
That roster is already running on a shortened bench.

 

[JPeeper]

That roster is going to be bad if there's injuries.
That roster is already running on a shortened bench.

That roster also scores as many goals as the 80's Flames did.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Brodie still has to agree to waive for Winnipeg

I'm assuming that like most players, WPG is on his no trade list

I mean it's possible, but he's only got an 8 team NTC, so possible he focused more on where medical care is available for his wife, or even on losing teams.

 

[Figgy44]

That roster also scores as many goals as the 80's Flames did.

You don't score goals from the IR...

I mean, I get what you're trying to achieve, but I'd consider downgrading from Laine and ensuring a full roster...

and your gif is as blurry as video clips from the 80s.

 

[JPeeper]

You don't score goals from the IR...

I mean, I get what you're trying to achieve, but I'd consider downgrading from Laine and ensuring a full roster...

Regardless of my outlandish proposal, if the Flames sign Tkachuk to a contract he deserves ($8 mil), the Flames are still rocking a 20-21 man roster.

The second Neal signed that contract a year and a bit ago the Flames were completely and utterly f***ed for capspace as added essentially $4+ mil in dead space for 4 more years. The buyouts are one thing, having a $5 mil player instead of an ELC guy is another when the ELC will probably contribute more.

 

[viper0220]

I want Jack Roslovic from the Jets. I think he'a a guy who could "pop" in our middle 6.

Not sure how it would work but Frolik + a pick perhaps?

I think Jack Roslovic is the player we are mostly likely to get, if we trade with Jets from our D. I don't think they will trade Elhers or Connor.

 

[viper0220]

I think Tre would have to have a taker for Frolik in addition to that trade. It becomes more unlikely with the amount of moving parts to make it work however.

But something like:

Michael Frolik + Mark Jankowski + 2019 3rd to Ottawa for Connor Brown
TJ Brodie + 2019 2nd + 2020 2nd for Nik Ehlers (I don't know if this is even close?)
Matthew Tkachuk signed for 3 x 7.75M

Lineup:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ehlers
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Bennett
Dube/Mangi - Backlund - Brown
Lucic - Ryan - Czarnik/Dube/Mangi

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Stone

Rittich
Talbot

I think outside of a questionable 3rd pair; that team would be all kinds of ugly to deal with just in terms of speed and depth. That wing speed outside of Chucky and Looch is repugnant. I think that first line could give the MacKinnon line a run for its money in terms of speed up the ice.

I really like those lines Volica but I don't see the Jets trading Ehlers. I think Jack Roslovic is the player they might be inclined to trde him and I think Jack Roslovic(what the trade looks like, no idea) is in the same kind of boat Lindholm, he is ready to take the next step and become a very good player.

Frolik has a NTC and he probably has Ottawa on the list. And if we get Jack Roslovic, there won't be any reason to trade Frolik.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Roslovic
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Bennett
Dube/Mangi - Backlund - Frolik
Lucic - Ryan - Czarnik/Dube/Mangi

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Stone

Rittich
Talbot

I think this team has the potential to be just as good as your team Volica, this is assuming that Brodie and Jankowski are traded for Jack Roslovic+(that +can be a pick(s), we can than flip those pick(s) for a D, if needed.) It depends how they see Jankowski and Roslovic, that + depends on that.

One thing is for sure, in order to make room for Matthew Tkachuk, we will need to shed some salary.

 

[Figgy44]

Spit balling for a different team... but what about the Jets and Canes? I feel like there's a fit.

Something along the lines of Pesce for Laine?

For Jets, fills the RD hole at a damn good cap, gets near full value for Laine.

Carolina needs offense, badly. Adding a flawed superstar like Laine is great and their dcorps is still strong as hell afterwards. The cash might be rich... but for Laine, should be worth it for them. I assume they can get Laine around the same as Aho. (max 9 mil AAV?)

Only reason I'm pointing out this trade is it gives an idea what we might have to compete with if we try to move Brodie/Hamonic. Heck, maybe they end up doing two trades to shore up the right side. One for a top pairing RD via Laine, the other for a 2nd pairing RD via Roslovic.

 

[viper0220]

Spit balling for a different team... but what about the Jets and Canes? I feel like there's a fit.

Something along the lines of Pesce for Laine?

For Jets, fills the RD hole at a damn good cap, gets near full value for Laine.

Carolina needs offense, badly. Adding a flawed superstar like Laine is great and their dcorps is still strong as hell afterwards. The cash might be rich... but for Laine, should be worth it for them. I assume they can get Laine around the same as Aho. (max 9 mil AAV?)

Only reason I'm pointing out this trade is it gives an idea what we might have to compete with if we try to move Brodie/Hamonic. Heck, maybe they end up doing two trades to shore up the right side. One for a top pairing RD via Laine, the other for a 2nd pairing RD via Roslovic.

I don't see the Canes trading Pesce but something around Dougie Hamilton+1st round pick for Laine might work.

 

[Figgy44]

I don't see the Canes trading Pesce but something around Dougie Hamilton+1st round pick for Laine might work.

I was thinking Hamilton at first as well, but deleted it. It would be weird if he was traded again so soon. Faulk could also be a possibility if he waives, but the Canes have to add a ton more.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

We need to get Laine. I would dangle Hanifin, honestly.

Would also love Ehlers.

 

[Rangediddy]

We need to get Laine. I would dangle Hanifin, honestly.

Would also love Ehlers.

Laine makes a lot of sense on our top line. He and Johnny seem to float to their off wings to shoot which is perfect when they play together.

He and Juuso can bunk together and mash fortnite on the road.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

We need to get Laine. I would dangle Hanifin, honestly.

Would also love Ehlers.

If Valimaki wasn't in doubt for the season and thus his progression potentially stalled I'd do it for sure. But the chances of him struggling after a long injury like Bennett or Gilles because of it worries me. Plus if Gio goes down, our LHD looks scary as shit.

Still some merit for Hanifin for Laine. I think there's huge room for regret though which is why I hesitate.

 

[Kranix]

We need to get Laine. I would dangle Hanifin, honestly.

Would also love Ehlers.

But what does Laine want for a new contract??

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

If Valimaki wasn't in doubt for the season and thus his progression potentially stalled I'd do it for sure. But the chances of him struggling after a long injury like Bennett or Gilles because of it worries me. Plus if Gio goes down, our LHD looks scary as ****.

Still some merit for Hanifin for Laine. I think there's huge room for regret though which is why I hesitate.

How much regret will you feel when Johnny has apples on 50 of Laine's goals?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

But what does Laine want for a new contract??

That is Treliving's problem, not mine.

 

[Kranix]

That is Treliving's problem, not mine.

Agreed

 

[Lunatik]

That roster is going to be bad if there's injuries.
That roster is already running on a shortened bench.

Not just that, the top line would give up more goals than it scores. Laine is not a 1st line players at ES. He's an elite PP player, but a liability in every other way

 

[Rangediddy]

How much regret will you feel when Johnny has apples on 50 of Laine's goals?

And 2nd apples when Laine bounces 15 more goals off of Monahan in front?

 

[DCDM]

I want Connor before I want Laine

 

[Lunatik]

How much regret will you feel when Johnny has apples on 50 of Laine's goals?

Lots, because their GA when on the ice will double and their GF will each drop by 10-15 because Laine is incapable of using his linemates.

 

[Mobiandi]

I'd rather save Hanifin for a top 6 center.

 

[Rubi]

I think there's a lot of pie in the sky dreaming going on here that has a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.

Frankly, what I'm seeing is that it's a buyer's market. If Flames are selling they aren't going to get something equivalent or better back. The Flames need to accrue cap space. Every GM knows that. There will be a cost incurred to get that cap space.