EDIT: Panarin is there too, but let his big fans put his photos/videos there. I'm glad he left and hope he NEVER comes back.
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Speculation: Armchair GM - Offseason Thread (Summer Edition)
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EDIT: Panarin is there too, but let his big fans put his photos/videos there. I'm glad he left and hope he NEVER comes back.
CBJWerenski8
Rest in Peace Johnny
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CBJWerenski8
Rest in Peace Johnny
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CBJWerenski8
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Fleury didn't return much after winning a Vezina soooooo
Still, can't wait for two to three years from now when both the Pens and Caps are absolute dogshit
Still, can't wait for two to three years from now when both the Pens and Caps are absolute dogshit
The contract and league wide cap situation really put them in a major bind. At this point probably just wanted it to done to get it out of the way because if this is reigning Norris winner return what would a down or injury riddled year do. Not bad timing for Pittsburgh though with the cap expected to start jumping. They should get a couple cracks at decent seasons with that core but the rebuild will be extensive when it starts in a few years
A trade like this shows how bad Stan Bowman was. Yeah Jones was younger but Bowman was basically bid against himself and gave a premium. Dubas knew the situation and took advantage of it
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Didn’t think of it that way. But you’re so right. Literally was Chicago and Dallas (and Colorado I believe, but as a rental only). Crazy how lucky we were. Even though Sillinger and Boqvist have been debatable pieces.
I’m mostly annoyed Pittsburgh managed to get out of Petry, Rutta, and Granlund’s deals, even with 10 mill of Karlsson coming in.
I think when he's got a head full of confidence and he's grooving, his shot is almost on par with a guy like Laine. The problem is his consistency and ability to stay healthy. But if he can get a few consistent seasons and can round out his game... The potential for a true top 6 player is definitely there.
Personally I like Chinakhov more than Marchenko going forward
Imo one noticeable issue limiting goal scoring potential for both players has been their slow pass reception and puckhandling skills. So far it has taken way too much time for them to put pucks on a shooting position and actually use their elite shots. Laine is cleaner with the puckhandling but isn't very quick and at times tends to hesitate for too long. Chinakhov has looked more willing to shoot but gets less opportunities because he's simply more inconsistent with puckhandling.
You...you do understand his contract, age, cap situation around the league, the fact that he has a NMC, right?
I think Marchy has a longer way to go to round out his game.
Yeah they definitely aren't perfect but I also think as a bonafide shooter, your ability is directly tied to your confidence. So when you aren't scoring a lot you're gonna star second guessing whether you should pass or shoot and I think that's where the difference between Laine and a guy like Chinny. Laine can get back into the groove a lot easier than a guy like Chinny. But once Chinny gets that confidence, watch out. He definitely has to work on his off puck game a lot more though.
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I do know that but maybe you should explain it to me slowly, because I'm so dense.
It means Pens and Caps won't play in the PO. Except Hinostroza and Guentzel all important forwards have 30 and more. Letand and especially Karlsson don't know to defense. And Jarry isn't Sorokin.
Laine is very underrated, I think.
I really hope Chinny's development wasn't hindered by the injury last year. I like him a lot but as said, he needs consistency and staying healthy. Very excited to see how he comes to training camp and which spots he's battling for (2nd line, 3rd line or 4th line/AHL).
Chinakhov's shot always looks so clean and dangerous but then it hits the goalies pads. I don't know how highly we can praise the shot before it actually starts going in on NHL level
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After that Dumba signing (1 year for $3.9 million with Arizona), do people still think we needed to trade a third round pick and give Severson that contract?
Also, that Erik Karlsson trade should show that shorter offensive defensemen (even the best shorter offensive defenseman who is the reigning Norris winner) don’t have a ton of value.
Also, that Erik Karlsson trade should show that shorter offensive defensemen (even the best shorter offensive defenseman who is the reigning Norris winner) don’t have a ton of value.
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None of these things have any connection at all so I have no idea what point you are even trying to make. Karlsson is 33 and has 4 years left at 11.5 with a NMC, his value is reduced because of the contract and the control he had. He also has an injury history and before last season has a string of mediocre at best seasons, not exactly a prime candidate to pay max value for. He had 97 points in his 3 years prior to this one combined.
Dumba has also has some injury history and his offense has fallen off a cliff. Alright player but its not an accident he was just signed now. Arizona might try to prop him up and flip at the deadline. Good gamble for Arizona but not one I would want us to make. Plus Severson is 2" taller and 25lbs heavier so thats a huge boost even if hes not 6'6",right?
I'll disagree on both counts.
Dumba's play has taken him into a lower category. There were contract projections at the start of FA (Evolving Wild) and Severson was at the very top, Dumba not even close.
If a young player was as good as Karlsson on a good contract he would be one of the most valuable pieces in the league, Karlsson got a lower trade return because of his contract and age and injury history.
As I’ve mentioned before, they might not be the “perfect fits”, stylistically or where they are in currently in their careers in relation to the CBJ as a team, but, NOBODY should have ANY sort of complaints or issues about the acquisitions of either/both of Provorov/Severson after watching this team play hockey/defense the last few years.
I don’t think I’ve seen people care more about a 3rd round pick in my life. How many times are 2nd/3rd round picks spent/used on essentially NOTHING?? Provorov wasn’t getting traded for less and Severson wasn’t signing for less.
I don’t think I’ve seen people care more about a 3rd round pick in my life. How many times are 2nd/3rd round picks spent/used on essentially NOTHING?? Provorov wasn’t getting traded for less and Severson wasn’t signing for less.
koteka
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I think we could have had Severson at 5 x $5 million and nobody would have beaten that. The few teams with cap space weren’t looking for a guy like Severson, and the teams that might have made an offer didn’t have the cap space. Looking at the market, nothing has convinced me otherwise. When people start the Severson buy out talk in a few years (which I’ll be against in principle because I think buy outs are stupid), I’ll be sure to point out that not only was it a bad contract, but we also gave up a pick to sign him to that 8th year. Jarmo would have probably wasted the pick anyway, but it is the principal of giving up an asset we didn’t need to give up which bothers me.
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