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Side Bar...I still find it funny the person who started all this whole mess, Larkin, is still with the Red Wings

Still plenty of pieces on the board
I don't believe in the whole thing. USA guys on good teams aren't asking for trades. Larkin has toiled in Detroit for years and wants to win. You can say the same thing about Werenski here.

I think the biggest thing isn't that these players are being selfish. They want to win, and if their teams cannot give them winning, then they need to leave. This isn't a Werenski or Larkin or Quinn issue. This is an organizational issue.

Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver...none of them have been even close to good for almost a decade now. At what point do these players have the right to be selfish and ask out?
 
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I don't believe in the whole thing. USA guys on good teams aren't asking for trades. Larkin has toiled in Detroit for years and wants to win. You can say the same thing about Werenski here.

I think the biggest thing isn't that these players are being selfish. They want to win, and if their teams cannot give them winning, then they need to leave. This isn't a Werenski or Larkin or Quinn issue. This is an organizational issue.

Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver...none of them have been even close to good for almost a decade now. At what point do these players have the right to be selfish and ask out?
Helleybuck is asking out and they won the Presidents trophy a year ago. Their collapses in the playoffs are partially due to his performance in net.
 
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I don't believe in the whole thing. USA guys on good teams aren't asking for trades. Larkin has toiled in Detroit for years and wants to win. You can say the same thing about Werenski here.

I think the biggest thing isn't that these players are being selfish. They want to win, and if their teams cannot give them winning, then they need to leave. This isn't a Werenski or Larkin or Quinn issue. This is an organizational issue.

Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver...none of them have been even close to good for almost a decade now. At what point do these players have the right to be selfish and ask out?
I don't really have an issue with Hughes doing it. Vancouver was a sinking ship and are going to be bad for a while.

Detroit and Columbus are ascending teams. Or at least they should be. I'm not going to speak much on Larkin because there does seem to be a genuine disconnect between he and Yzerman, which I am sure is a factor here. In regards to Werenski though the time for Werenski to jump off the ship was when his last contract was signed. We had just lost Panarin, Bob, and Duchene a few years prior and Jones asked out. Werenski could have signed a shorter term deal to get to UFA, or if he really wanted to, ask out then seeing as we were about to go through a rebuild. He signed, and went through said rebuild. But now that we're seemingly on the way up and close to competing, thats when he's jumping ship? Isn't this what he was waiting for? You went through the hardest part, now is the part where we should be excited for the growth.

Granted, its taken longer than it should have. Bad coaching hires, bad draft picks, poor development, poor roster decisions, and uncontrollable off ice tragedy has plagued us in the past 6 years since he signed that deal. Maybe he's lost faith in the front office, ownership, or his teammates. Can't fault him for that. That's not what he has said anytime recently until after that Olympic games experience though.
 
I don't believe in the whole thing. USA guys on good teams aren't asking for trades. Larkin has toiled in Detroit for years and wants to win. You can say the same thing about Werenski here.

I think the biggest thing isn't that these players are being selfish. They want to win, and if their teams cannot give them winning, then they need to leave. This isn't a Werenski or Larkin or Quinn issue. This is an organizational issue.

Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver...none of them have been even close to good for almost a decade now. At what point do these players have the right to be selfish and ask out?
Yeahhhhh I don't disagree and I'm not trying to dump on Z here but he shit down his leg just as hard as anybody else at the end of the year. I get the team didn't give him the chance but the majority of elite players rise up in that moment.
 
I don't believe in the whole thing. USA guys on good teams aren't asking for trades. Larkin has toiled in Detroit for years and wants to win. You can say the same thing about Werenski here.

I think the biggest thing isn't that these players are being selfish. They want to win, and if their teams cannot give them winning, then they need to leave. This isn't a Werenski or Larkin or Quinn issue. This is an organizational issue.

Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver...none of them have been even close to good for almost a decade now. At what point do these players have the right to be selfish and ask out?
I agree, although I think the team USA connection is simply 1. They actually won something so a team full of elite guys who had never done anything (Z, Matthews, Helle, B Tkachuck, Larkin, etc.) finally saw the top of the mountain and 2. There were guys chasing Cups/winning Cups like Eichel and M. Tkachuck who I am sure were singing the praises of their teams and their approaches to collecting rings.

I don't think this is a Miami Heat conspiracy its a group of guys who want to win at the same time the Canadians don't like Americans, taxes are at least a secondary driver in negotiations, and personal leverage of nhl players is hitting a peak. I really can't fault any of them for not wanting to spend their lives in moribund franchises paying way more in taxes than they otherwise could sometimes in places where they don't share their hosts politics or beliefs be that Canada, a major city or otherwise.
 
Ok we get it. You think Waddell is a joke, a failure and the worst GM of all time because *checks notes* in 2 season he didn't turn a 66 point, 4th worst team in the NHL into a Stanley Cup contender. The horror. Its amazing the team is where the team is. Before the puck dropped on the 1st inter squad scrimmage he lost what was going to a player the offense was going to build around. That team could have finished dead last in the NHL and no would have been shocked after that off season. Then last off season he didn't pull the trigger on a trade because he didn't like what he had to give up, something a majority of fans liked. Stop with the nonsense. He is not perfect. No GM is. But I am certain that the nerd you want the FO to hire would not have gotten the team to this point with how everything started.
And yet for all that ostensible progress it's apparently not enough for Werenski to stay.
 
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Every trade I'm leaning towards trade Z more simply because it's getting competitive. I dont know how much progress we can truly make.
 
I don't really have an issue with Hughes doing it. Vancouver was a sinking ship and are going to be bad for a while.

Detroit and Columbus are ascending teams. Or at least they should be. I'm not going to speak much on Larkin because there does seem to be a genuine disconnect between he and Yzerman, which I am sure is a factor here. In regards to Werenski though the time for Werenski to jump off the ship was when his last contract was signed. We had just lost Panarin, Bob, and Duchene a few years prior and Jones asked out. Werenski could have signed a shorter term deal to get to UFA, or if he really wanted to, ask out then seeing as we were about to go through a rebuild. He signed, and went through said rebuild. But now that we're seemingly on the way up and close to competing, thats when he's jumping ship? Isn't this what he was waiting for? You went through the hardest part, now is the part where we should be excited for the growth.

Granted, its taken longer than it should have. Bad coaching hires, bad draft picks, poor development, poor roster decisions, and uncontrollable off ice tragedy has plagued us in the past 6 years since he signed that deal. Maybe he's lost faith in the front office, ownership, or his teammates. Can't fault him for that. That's not what he has said anytime recently until after that Olympic games experience though.
I don't think its taken longer than it should have. The rebuild truly started in the 2021-22 season, the year before his contract kicked in and during that time the only truly bad season in that stretch was the 2023-24. Obviously 2022-23 was worse, actually the worst season in franchise history, but that's get a bit of an asterisks because if that season lasted a week or two longer one of us was going to be skating in a game because of the injuries. Now if they are healthy, they aren't magically a playoff team, but they aren't the worst team in franchise history either. 23-24 was bad, No real improvement despite being healthier, coaching deffo played a role in that. So 3 years into the rebuilt and 2 years in Z's contract, its not looking good. We know how the 24-25 season started, but then last 2 seasons happened. Bumpy rides, but in the hunt basically until the end. No bad for years 4 or 5 of a rebuild. Especially given the unique circumstances of year 4. That's what makes it hard to swallow. I don't think they that far off or are just tires spinning in the mud like Detroit. Asking for a trade when they are right there and it hasn't become the norm yet (like in Detroit) sucks. Not that he has asked yet.
 
And yet for all that ostensible progress it's apparently not enough for Werenski to stay.
Let's not put the cart before the horse. We'll all doom out together when the time comes lol.

The timing still makes me think this is an ultimatum, which honestly is still fine for us. If we need to make noise this year for him to stay and we dont, we just trade him next year. His contract will be even more affordable AND he has to give 10 teams not a potential 1 like Brady.
 
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Let's not put the cart before the horse. We'll all doom out together when the time comes lol.

The timing still makes me think this is an ultimatum, which honestly is still fine for us. If we need to make noise this year for him to stay and we dont, we just trade him next year. His contract will be even more affordable AND he has to give 10 teams not a potential 1 like Brady.
A stay of execution still ends in an execution.

The noise is still enough that nobody's coming to save us.
 
A stay of execution still ends in an execution.

The noise is still enough that nobody's coming to save us.
Maybe, maybe not.

I know everyone hates the "answers in the room" thing but if 23, 10, and 91 play to their potential we're a playoff team imo.

I greatly believe in Monny and KJ.

Voronkov I've lost faith but would love to be pleasantly surprised.
 
Maybe, maybe not.

I know everyone hates the "answers in the room" thing but if 23, 10, and 91 play to their potential we're a playoff team imo.

I greatly believe in Monny and KJ.

Voronkov I've lost faith but would love to be pleasantly surprised.
I was starting to have faith in that before this Werenski stuff made it clear that said faith doesn't exist elsewhere.
 
The biggest problem is that Columbus is likely good enough now to have zero realistic chance at a top 3 pick but bad enough that they are not likely a playoff team. Trading Werenski is a risk, but not sure there is any other obvious way to shift the odds to make them a top 10 team in the league in the next few years with the understanding that they could make a bad trade and go straight to the bottom of the league.

They have no gamechanger forwards on the prospect list and the goalies always seem to be 4-5 years away. No Gaudreau equivalent is signing in Columbus in free agency.
 
The biggest problem is that Columbus is likely good enough now to have zero realistic chance at a top 3 pick but bad enough that they are not likely a playoff team. Trading Werenski is a risk, but not sure there is any other obvious way to shift the odds to make them a top 10 team in the league in the next few years with the understanding that they could make a bad trade and go straight to the bottom of the league.

They have no gamechanger forwards on the prospect list and the goalies always seem to be 4-5 years away. No Gaudreau equivalent is signing in Columbus in free agency.

As long as you have most of Werenski, Marchenko, Fantilli, and Mateychuk, you're not going to do a full on rebuild.

And yet, that's not really a good enough core to be a contender. With no real means to acquire better high end pieces either

Truly hockey purgatory.
 
Man a few short months ago we were a cup dark horse. Now with the same roster and a full off-season and season with our much better coach we're not likely to make the playoffs.

You guys must be a hit at parties.
Same roster? As of right now we're scheduled to lose a top 6 forward, a top 9 forward, a 3rd pairing D, a 4th liner, and potentially our best player if he asks to/Waddell chooses to do so.

With no additions (yet).

But yeah, other than that.

If he keeps Marchment/Jenner, makes another add elsewhere, and keeps Z, then you'll probably get some people back on board. Clock is ticking for them to make moves though.
 

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