Proposal: Arizona offersheet Kucherov

[KrisLetAngry]

I think AZ would be better off offer sheeting Trouba, Lindholm, or Ristolainen. You know, someone who fills a need for them.

Ducks won't let lindholm go. Nice tactic for them to go above budget

Risto good luck on thst.

Trouba is plausible.

 

[tjs*]

I'd honestly be a lot more comfortable with Kucherov signed to $8.5M x 8 than Stamkos.

 

[Iceman]

I'd honestly be a lot more comfortable with Kucherov signed to $8.5M x 8 than Stamkos.

A lot of people would. Not both tho!

 

[chubeyr]

Its divided by 5 years not 7 to get the right offer sheet compensation.

so 7,5 aav for 7 years= 52,5/5= 10,5 aav so 4 1st rounders if im not wrong.

I get that, that's why I said a 5 year contract at 7.5 million per.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Idk if 7.5 is enough for Tampa to part with Kucherov

 

[mgd525]

A lot of people would. Not both tho!

I agree for sure.

 

[AMDZen]

Arizona is the last team in the league to offersheet anyone. Ludicrous notion made even more ludicrous by picking the last team in the league that would pay any player any number that would make an offer sheet anything more than a waste of time.

 

[DFC]

Idk if 7.5 is enough for Tampa to part with Kucherov

Pretty sure we'd match that.

 

[JS91]

Yes. Without a doubt. We don't have to be under the cap right now so we can just match it and then have the rest of the summer to figure out who to move out to get under the cap.

 

[gdsmack267]

They should offer like a 9 million x 5 year year and see if he accepts it.

 

[tjs*]

A lot of people would. Not both tho!

One of many reasons I wish we hadn't signed Stamkos, and especially not without extending Kuch first.

 

[Mersss]

Yes. Without a doubt. We don't have to be under the cap right now so we can just match it and then have the rest of the summer to figure out who to move out to get under the cap.

1st Tampa would need to find someone to deal their overpaid 3rd-4th liner 2nd-3rd pair D. They'd probably have to tie up a 1st or a good prospect to that said player in order to move him which, in that case, still crumbles them

2nd How would they be able to resign Palat and Johnson next year? Cause that's also somethign they have to consider...

I do not see any teams helping the TBL by taking Boyle-Coburn etc... whitout having Tampa give AT LEAST a 1st round pick or a GOOD young player in the deal (See CHI with Bickell) ESPECIALLY with the expansion draft coming. There is not a lot of teams that would take both of these player unless the incentive would be worth it.

IMO, If a team goes on and offers 8.5M X 5 years, or even 9M$ for 5 years, Tampa could match, but they have to win the cup next year othrwhise thir boat probably sinks right there.

 

[tdfxman]

I wouldn't exactly call their cap space peanuts. They've got 6.5M and need to sign Kucherov and Nesterov. I'd guess Kucherov will try for 7M. Nesterov won't take much. Moving Bishop would do it, but they're much more likely to try and find a taker for Fillpula than they are to move Bishop, unless the Stars offer a very enticing deal. Bishop increases Tampa's Stanley Cup chances enough that it'll take significant offer for them to want to move him. They'll exhaust all of their other options before trading Bishop.

My whole point was someone has to go from TB.

 

[Mersss]

I wouldn't exactly call their cap space peanuts. They've got 6.5M and need to sign Kucherov and Nesterov. I'd guess Kucherov will try for 7M. Nesterov won't take much. Moving Bishop would do it, but they're much more likely to try and find a taker for Fillpula than they are to move Bishop, unless the Stars offer a very enticing deal. Bishop increases Tampa's Stanley Cup chances enough that it'll take significant offer for them to want to move him. They'll exhaust all of their other options before trading Bishop.

Care to tell me which GM would take Fillpula of TBL hands? Unless he comes attached to Drouin or a 1st round pick, nobody is going to take him. a 3rd liner being paid 5M$ a year isn't somethign teams really look into, ESPECIALLY when he's on the wrong side of 30's

 

[SEALBound]

Why not craft a trade instead? ARI 1st (unprotected), ARI 3rd 2017, Reider (unsigned) for Kucherov (unsigned)? Arizona maybe even adds a prospect?

I don't see another dman being the need for Arizona. I see the need for a major forward piece to help solidify a young core moving moving forward.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Tampa has 6.5m in cap space. If Kucherov got an offer sheet for 7.5-9 mill, Tampa can match it, and have the rest of the summer to figure out a deal to move a lesser player/contract (Boyle/Coburn/someone else?)

I agree Tampa will match it, but just looking at Chicago, when teams know you're in cap trouble, no one's going to do you any favours. It's why the got basically nothing back for Sharp, and even had to give up a good prospect.

 

[tjs*]

1st Tampa would need to find someone to deal their overpaid 3rd-4th liner 2nd-3rd pair D. They'd probably have to tie up a 1st or a good prospect to that said player in order to move him which, in that case, still crumbles them

2nd How would they be able to resign Palat and Johnson next year? Cause that's also somethign they have to consider...

I do not see any teams helping the TBL by taking Boyle-Coburn etc... whitout having Tampa give AT LEAST a 1st round pick or a GOOD young player in the deal (See CHI with Bickell) ESPECIALLY with the expansion draft coming. There is not a lot of teams that would take both of these player unless the incentive would be worth it.

IMO, If a team goes on and offers 8.5M X 5 years, or even 9M$ for 5 years, Tampa could match, but they have to win the cup next year othrwhise thir boat probably sinks right there.

Garrison is easily movable (though if possible we'd prefer to wait until next summer to do so) and I'd have no problem attaching a first to Filppula to get rid of him.

And while we have no need or desire to move Boyle you're crazy if you think we'd need to attach a first to do so - he's an excellent depth forward on a reasonable contract that expires after next season (which is precisely why we aren't looking to move him in the first place.) Coburn would be a little tricky to move but with Garrison likely to be traded we'll probably keep him around to partner with our young defensemen. Not to mention neither Boyle nor Coburn require protection in the expansion draft so I don't know why you're going on about that.

 

[Butchered]

Care to tell me which GM would take Fillpula of TBL hands? Unless he comes attached to Drouin or a 1st round pick, nobody is going to take him. a 3rd liner being paid 5M$ a year isn't somethign teams really look into, ESPECIALLY when he's on the wrong side of 30's

Drouin? What planet do you live on? That's a joke.

Garrison can be moved without much trouble. Filppula can be moved for MUCH less than Drouin or a first. He has value, albeit not much. It certainly wouldn't take that much to move him.

One of Palat/Johnson is out come next season anyway, so they could move one of them.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Pretty sure we'd match that.

Yup Yzerman would definitely match $7.5 million no question about it.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Idk if 7.5 is enough for Tampa to part with Kucherov

I think a team would have to offer sheet Kucherov around $8.5 million before Yzerman would say no and take the picks.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Pretty sure we'd match that.

Yup Yzerman would definitely match $7.5 million no question about it.

I think a team would have to offer sheet Kucherov around $8.5 million before Yzerman would say no and take the picks.

Basically what I was saying

 

[bluetuned]

Care to tell me which GM would take Fillpula of TBL hands? Unless he comes attached to Drouin or a 1st round pick, nobody is going to take him. a 3rd liner being paid 5M$ a year isn't somethign teams really look into, ESPECIALLY when he's on the wrong side of 30's

Just like how nobody will ever take Datsyuk's contract without a top prospect attached. I look forward to watching Stamkos in Toronto this year, too.

Fillpula is a serviceable player with just two years left on his contract. He's overpaid to be sure, but he's not worthless.

 

[_Del_]

Just like how nobody will ever take Datsyuk's contract without a top prospect attached. I look forward to watching Stamkos in Toronto this year, too.

Fillpula is a serviceable player with just two years left on his contract. He's overpaid to be sure, but he's not worthless.

To be fair, a top prospect was attached to Datsyuk. Chychrun was the incentive to take the dead cap.

I like Fillpula, I'm just honestly not sure what value he has with that contract. Not seeing the incentive to take him at full price.

 

[Clamshells]

I agree Tampa will match it, but just looking at Chicago, when teams know you're in cap trouble, no one's going to do you any favours. It's why the got basically nothing back for Sharp, and even had to give up a good prospect.

If it came down to it, I don't think there's any asset that Tampa would prefer to keep over Kucherov. If they absolutely must have to give up a prospect with a contract to keep Kucherov, well I'd expect them to do it.

 

[deckercky]

1 year $7.5M is an interesting idea - not enough compensation, but pushes the qualifying offer for Tampa high without giving them the security of term (essentially pushing up the baseline for future negotiations). Tampa obviously accepts, but it hurts them for sure.