Confirmed Trade: [ARI/PHI] Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd, 2022 7th (STL) for future considerations

[RationalExpectations]

Looks like they didn't want to give up the first.

Indeed would not have seen it either as mentioned but was close to your proposal in terms of value

 

[SnS]

Oh but he was!

Just because Chuck Fletcher sucks at his job. Doesn’t mean shit.

 

[Piffle]

A prime example of what a dumbass of a GM the Kraken are stuck with. Those picks could have been going to Seattle.

Or maybe their are a bunch of dumbasses on this board that don't understand the current value of players/cap. Gee I wonder which it is.

 

[mr4tno]

I hate Fletcher. What a piece of shit.

Fletcher making Holmgren look like a mensa candidate. Using assets to give players away for cap space so we can over pay new players (see Ellis) so that we will have to give assets up to trade those new players in a couple of years (see Ellis, Hayes, whoever else they over pay this year)......

 

[Fraser28]

Perfect example of how Francis screwed up in the draft yesterday.

 

[Ciao]

So seattle takes Twarenski instead of flipping Ghost for a 2nd

Ron Francis missed the bus on this one. Badly.

 

[SnS]

Flyers would not have paid a 2nd to dump their best defenseman.

Chuck Fletcher thinks he’s bad. But yet values Robert Hagg.

 

[Stuzchuk]

i wonder who/what future considerations will be?
Taro Tsujimoto?

 

[Eggtimer]

I wonder if the devils looked into this or if Philly did not want to deal with NJ? Devils rebuilding and have tons of cap so either Philly did not want to deal with NJ or NJ is actually planning on using their cap for once

 

[violaswallet]

doesnt matter what Fletcher thinks. He’s a f***ing moron.

Eh, cap is at a premium: you're right he wouldn't be a usual cap dump, but look at what some teams have done to get rid of cap hits this year. Florida bought out Yandle and gave Borgstrom+Stillman (who Chicago protected) to get rid of Connolly; Minnesota bought out Suter and Parise. Ladd cost two seconds and a third.

I'm impressed Fletcher got away without giving up a first for a second

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I don't think a 2nd and a 7th is all that high of a price to clear 4.5 mil.

People acting like Philly needed to give up a 1st sounded insane.

Very good deal for Arizona though, They'll easily get more picks out of him at next seasons TDL.

It's 2 years of 4.5 mill. Marc Staal cost a 2nd to clear one year of 5.4 mill and Patrick Marleau cost a 1st to clear one year of 6.3 mill if you want to pin it to other deals.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Yotes are doing a better job at getting assests than Seattle, they also have a better team...

 

[Flukeshot]

What was the chance?

I am fairly certain it was reported they could have traded Ghost but Fletcher wasn't happy with the return. (Something like a mid to late pick).

 

[violaswallet]

Indeed would not have seen it either as mentioned but was close to your proposal in terms of value

Yep! Imposing rational expectations but a tight budget constraint works

 

[GreenLine]

LOL I remember when Ghost was considered untouchable on here. Now the Flyers had to add picks to get someone to take him for free.

 

[SnS]

Eh, cap is at a premium: you're right he wouldn't be a usual cap dump, but look at what some teams have done to get rid of cap hits this year. Florida bought out Yandle and gave Borgstrom+Stillman (who Chicago protected) to get rid of Connolly; Minnesota bought out Suter and Parise. Ladd cost two seconds and a third.

I'm impressed Fletcher got away without giving up a first for a second

Ghost shouldn’t of been moved, period.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

But why

 

[The Burdened]

This should've been the kind of deal the Seattle Kraken made.
a literal free 2nd round pick for a short term cap dump.

Francis asleep at the wheel

 

[RationalExpectations]

Yep! Imposing rational expectations but a tight budget constraint works

Ahah very good one ! Lagrange multiplier for estimation purposes

 

[Big McLargehuge]

They did add. A 2nd and a 7th, with nothing coming their way.

Yeah, the initial return seemd to be Philly getting those picks, not Arizona. Suffice to say my previous post has been rendered quickly obsolete. Now I'm surprised that they had to pay that much to unload him.

Much easier to understand why Arizona does this now...

 

[captainpaxil]

Is chiarelli available? Fletcher is looking horrible

 

[krt88nc]

I do not think you should be allowed to trade players for nothing in return.

However the league doesn’t care

 

[Rebels57]

Ghost was their best defensemen this past season but they cratered his value so badly with stupid decisions like inexplicably placing him on waivers to create unecessary cap savings that they had to pay a 2nd and 7th to move him. They better be using his cap space to sign a replacement that is a better player or this will go down as atrocious asset management.

Also, you can fully guarantee that Ghost will look very good in Arizona now that he's aware from a Flyers organization that has been jerking him around the last 3 years.

 

[Rockomax]

Ron Francis missed the bus on this one. Badly.

What? The Coyotes were paid a 2nd to take Ghost

Edit: I misunderstood the point.

 

[violaswallet]

Ahah very good one ! Lagrange multiplier for estimation purposes

Let's be real economists and use value functions