Value of: ARI - Clayton Keller

[credulous]

keller is nearly a top 10 winger in the league and has an incredible contract. i guess he could move because anything is possible with arizona but i'd expect something like four first round picks kind of value

 

[Detroit Knights]

He’s an above PPG 1st liner, we have 0 of them. Berggrens absolute best case is Keller, his likey case is a 60pt guy, Johansson will be a #4, and the 1st can be anything. Would you do a 2nd line winger + #4D + 1st for an elite 1st line winger? I would.

your saying berggren best case is keller...so why would you make the trade for keller when you already have his ability on the team? Why wouldn't you just want both?

Ogee's makes more sense, although I still think it is a lot to give, but I would still do it.

 

[Heldig]

IF the Coyotes luck out in the lottery then any talk of trading Keller is mute.

They will have a formidable young forward core with ppg Keller and Bedard leading the way.

 

[BKarchitect]

Not available. 85 points at age 24 with a limited supporting cast coming off a horrific injury. One of the 15 highest scoring players in the entire NHL the second half of the season. No indication he is anything but committed to what Armstrong and Tourigny have developing. Signed for 5 more years through his peak at a deal that is only going to look better and better.

Zero reason the Coyotes would consider moving him for anything you might see as reasonable.

 

[McJedi]

Keller is really good. I say that to myself every time the Avs play the Yotes. I usually compliment Crouse too but Keller really impresses.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

How is this brutal for Ott ? Ott is getting the younger better player in Keller.

6 months younger is laughable attempt at using "younger" as an argument.

Also better? Over the last 4 years Keller has 96 goals and 227 points in 274 games. DeBrincat has 118 goals and 245 points in 285 games. If we go with a 3 year window the difference in points per game is still roughly the same. This season is literally the only season in both players NHL careers where Keller has out produced DeBrincat since their rookie years and the difference is one player was moved to a brand new team and the other wasn't.

Now I am not taking shots at Keller but its mind blowing how much recency bias effects peoples perspectives

 

[ole ole]

6 months younger is laughable attempt at using "younger" as an argument.

Also better? Over the last 4 years Keller has 96 goals and 227 points in 274 games. DeBrincat has 118 goals and 245 points in 285 games. If we go with a 3 year window the difference in points per game is still roughly the same. This season is literally the only season in both players NHL careers where Keller has out produced DeBrincat since their rookie years and the difference is one player was moved to a brand new team and the other wasn't.

Now I am not taking shots at Keller but its mind blowing how much recency bias effects peoples perspectives

I would rather have Keller over DeBrincat period and i think there would be a few other posters that would to but ya that's because we are Bias.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Definitely more than Chychrun, not even a question.

 

[WarriorofTime]

That's a brutal trade for Ottawa. Detroit getting a 1st line winger for a mid 1st and a reclamation project is hilarious too

Someone is just gonna sign DeBrincat as a UFA anyways... No need to trade for him

 

[Lockin17]

Imagine what Keller could do in a good team with good partners.

 

[LTIR]

ARI might as well fold the team if they entertain trading Keller

 

[SEALBound]

Arizona should not be trading him, period. They can't keep sending out talent.

 

[RedHawkDown]

your saying berggren best case is keller...so why would you make the trade for keller when you already have his ability on the team? Why wouldn't you just want both?

Ogee's makes more sense, although I still think it is a lot to give, but I would still do it.

We don’t have his ability on the team. We have a guy in Berggren who has a n extremely low chance to become somehting like him.

Obviously I’d love to keep both but you have to give to get. Arizona is going to want more than just picks.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I would rather have Keller over DeBrincat period and i think there would be a few other posters that would to but ya that's because we are Bias.

You are more than welcome to prefer one over the other as they are pretty similar caliber players from the same draft year. Just don't make dumb comments about one being "younger and better" because that is negligible and debatable respectively

 

[FinnishCoyote]

ARI might as well fold the team if they entertain trading Keller

As a Yotes fan, i agree

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

The Coyotes 30 year rebuild continues

 

[Gurglesons]

Reminds me of Phil Kessel is Toronto. They should move him now.

 

[Heldig]

The Coyotes 30 year rebuild continues

Was it that long ago since they were in the Western Conference finals ?

 

[Play]

Arizona hasn't had a first line anything in nearly 10 years if you wanna be generous. He's not going anywhere

Doans been gone that long?

 

[ck26]

Imagine what Keller could do in a good team with good partners.

We'll find out next year, when Connor Bedard and Logan Cooley both join Kells in the Coyotes top 6.

At what point will Coyotes stop selling every good player they have as they enter their primes and actually build a hockey team for their prospects to develop within?

As soon as Detroit fans stop making trade threads about our best players.

The Coyotes 30 year rebuild continues

Coyotes were in the playoffs three seasons ago.

 

[Eegs]

The funny thing about off-season trades is players usually go for less than people on this board think they will.

Look at Fiala. Faber + a 1st. That is the quality of player Keller is and that’s his ballpark value.

2 1sts, a potential 2nd and 2 young players that might only need a fresh start is a solid trade.

I agree that Fiala.and Keller are close in value, but at the same time, I don't know if there's a general manager that takes Fiala over Keller. He does more with less and I think he'd demand more than what Fiala got.

 

[biturbo19]

I genuinely don't see any incentive for the Yotes to move Keller. He's still young, he's hugely productive and a major weapon for them, and he's under team control for a bunch more years on a great contract. Why would they deal him?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

lets say Habs pick #5/6 + prospect would that be enough for Keller?

trade Florida's pick + for Dubois


Dubois - Suzuki - Keller
Slafkovsky - Dach - Caufield

 

[PullHard]

Schmaltz is a more realistic target, I think he could be had for a very reasonable price as his cap hit is ~$500k-$1M too much and he has quite a bit of term still. Not a cap dump level player by any means but I would think Arizona would be comfy moving him for a very reasonable return based on his pricetag vs impact.

Detroit might see him as a target to be a top 6 RW for them once Perron is flipped for assets next season? Just spitballing.

 

[Heldig]

lets say Habs pick #5/6 + prospect would that be enough for Keller?

trade Florida's pick + for Dubois


Dubois - Suzuki - Keller
Slafkovsky - Dach - Caufield

No.

Keller, coming off his best season last year (before breaking his femur) committed fully to the rebuild. How did he respond? Massive rehab in the long offseason and returns for game 1 this season and goes better than ppg. Signed for 5 more years on a good contract.

Curious, would you trade either of Suzuki or Caulfield for Zach Benson?