Post-Game Talk: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! JETS SWEEP OILERS

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tbcwpg

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I disagree on the timing of the publication because it’s doing the opposite of what this writer intended. The reactions to it on this site and Twitter are proof of that.

I agree on everything else you say.

I don't know if there would be a good time to publish it then. Here the example is at least fresh in mind, and I don't think the writer can be blamed for people taking it as whining about the Oilers and missing the overall point. Reactions on here and Twitter would be the same in the summer. I don't think Jets fans, for example, would take it any differently in July as they would in May.
 

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Of the canonical 30 examples--because Doerrie used to work for an NHL team so you know she can call penalties off a TV with perfect accuracy--here are the two that were gif'd and keep getting cited:



One in which McNHLAwards hold Appleton immediately before getting held in-turn by Appleton. Two penalties.

The other in which he pulls his parachute because he wants to avoid a clean open-ice hit and puts himself in a more dangerous position. Not a penalty at all.

I'm quoting you just for simplicity's sake since my response is to you but also many posters in this thread who seemingly have missed the point of the article altogether.

The article wasn't a commentary specifically on this series. Yes, he used McDavid as the example and yes, he made a brief mention of penalties that weren't called on the Oilers as well, but that's not the issue being brought up.

He's saying that the NHL does a terrible job of marketing its stars and letting them be the stars the league needs to be able to market them. Neutrals and casual fans don't want to tune into to see the best players in the league get tackled and grabbed.

He's not blaming the Jets or calling them cheaters - his article says this goes all the way back to Mario Lemieux, and it's one of the reasons Mario retired when he did. He said on Twitter its not to blame the Jets either; they know how the game is called in the playoffs and you might as well play the way the game is played. Hate the game, not the player.

I agree with him, for the most part. In what world does probably the fastest player in the league, definitely the most skilled player in the league, go 8 playoff games drawing no penalties? There wasn't an instance of being held a little bit, maybe tripped up, maybe interfered with? Of course there was. The reffing in the NHL is so terrified of influencing the game that they influence it by NOT calling these things. In game 4, the refs know that a Jets goal sends the Oilers home, so they don't want to call the PP that does that. They don't want to appear one-sided so they don't call anything against the Jets either. This is all under the guise of "letting them play", when in fact, they AREN'T letting them play because they can't do anything.

The NBA does this too, but in the opposite direction. Watch playoff games - for the most part, the stars get the calls. LeBron gets the benefit of the doubt, Durant gets the benefit, etc etc. In fact, the only player I've watched that DOESN'T get the benefit of the doubt is Steph Curry. This makes the stars the centrepieces of the playoffs and you can more easily market it to a wider crowd. My issue with it is that they get away with so much that it encourages them to flop, but it also means that other teams are kept down by not having these players on their team.

This is getting attention here because it seems like more whining about how the Oilers aren't in the playoffs anymore, and it makes it seem like the Jets don't deserve to have won the series, but the Jets specifically planned to play the game like this, knowing there is less space in the playoffs and the refs barely call anything. If they get called a couple of times for clutching or slashes in game 1, the game plan adjusts completely.

Like it or not, the potential of McDavid vs Matthews in the playoffs is a HUGE draw for not only Canadian audiences but also in the US. While our goaltender is probably top 3 in the league, you don't tune in to watch a goalie make great saves. You tune in to watch a player make nice plays, the best in the world against another top 5-10 player in the league, West vs East, two historical franchises, all of that. The NHL needs to market its star players better, and they need to stop neutering them in the playoffs by not calling stuff because they don't want to influence the game.

TL;DR - Anyone thinking this is a hit piece against the Jets or just more whining by the media that the Oilers didn't win is completely missing the point.

He writes, specifically, in the article that he was pointedly only paying attention to one team:

"I’m sure there were calls on Edmonton I missed, maybe even obvious ones (the referees even managed to “miss” a puck over the glass call), but over the next 40-plus minutes of hockey there were at least five missed calls on the Jets."​

That is more than enough to indicate to me that this is a sound thesis (officiating shouldn't change with the weather) but a bad faith argument. He goes on to completely ignore the fact that Ehlers and Scheifele are also elite at drawing penalties, embeds a tweet showing one of the only two cited examples (of the supposed 30), which isn't a penalty at all, and then goes on Twitter and pretends the Jets defence had the same holes all series as they did in the regular season.

I don't know if Luszczyszyn accomplished what he was trying to--his seemingly-annual article about how it's dumb to change to rules mid-season--but what he definitely did accomplish was to slander the Jets and spread misinformation about how they beat the sad-sack Oilers in four straight.
 

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I have a take on why the Oilers lost... as opposed to them dominating the Jets in the regular season...

The Jets played soft in the regular season... only playing hard enough most nights to be competitive...

The Jets played the hybrid man to man in the defensive zone in the regular season which is a recipe for disaster at the best of times... add some Oil' and for sure a disaster...

The Jets in the regular season played a lot of fly the zone and fairy wand stick checks...

In the playoffs they finished their checks... moved their feet to be on the right side of the opposing players and puck...

Helle' played for the most part to his abilities... Vezina quality... so for sure that helped...

What was different was everything I mentioned before Hellebyuck...

They did flip the switch...

Too bad the Media doesn't care or worse resents their cash cow being sacrificed...

Oh well... such a fine whine to be savored...

:popcorn:
 

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Yeah the narrative that the best NHL player got snubbed on penalties called is so BS. They make it sound like the Jets don't have high end star talent...
 

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I am not pinning this on a fan base. There are some individuals who, sadly, said some really hurtful things. I stand behind Bear and all the Oiler fans who feel as bad as I do about this unfortunate situation.
 

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I am not pinning this on a fan base. There are some individuals who, sadly, said some really hurtful things. I stand behind Bear and all the Oiler fans who feel as bad as I do about this unfortunate situation.
Yup. Sounds like the same usual bigots and trolls that always act tough behind computer screens. Bear’s response to this all on Twitter was great though — class act.
 

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Yep, used to get the Sev tickets as well. They also sold dirt cheap tickets for a few years to Uni students, in one section of the upper deck. Went to so many games those years it was like I was a season ticket holder. We’d always scope out empty seats in the lower bowl during the first period and move to them for the 2nd. Almost always was able to “upgrade” for nothing. Not for whiteouts though.

Remember the Jets, Oilers and Flames shirts with the caricature players on them? I think those were from sev as well.

So much nostalgia!
 
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Yeah the narrative that the best NHL player got snubbed on penalties called is so BS. They make it sound like the Jets don't have high end star talent...

On top of that, to pretend that is only the officiating. It's incomprehensible to them that the entire Jets team was laser-focused on playing him tight and clean. Defensemen may only get one or two chances in their lives to play a series against the best in the game--on a team wildly bereft of other talent, at that--but the idea of them rising to the occasion is seemingly not worth considering.
 

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Of the canonical 30 examples--because Doerrie used to work for an NHL team so you know she can call penalties off a TV with perfect accuracy--here are the two that were gif'd and keep getting cited:



One in which McNHLAwards hold Appleton immediately before getting held in-turn by Appleton. Two penalties.

The other in which he pulls his parachute because he wants to avoid a clean open-ice hit and puts himself in a more dangerous position. Not a penalty at all.



He writes, specifically, in the article that he was pointedly only paying attention to one team:

"I’m sure there were calls on Edmonton I missed, maybe even obvious ones (the referees even managed to “miss” a puck over the glass call), but over the next 40-plus minutes of hockey there were at least five missed calls on the Jets."​

That is more than enough to indicate to me that this is a sound thesis (officiating shouldn't change with the weather) but a bad faith argument. He goes on to completely ignore the fact that Ehlers and Scheifele are also elite at drawing penalties, embeds a tweet showing one of the only two cited examples (of the supposed 30), which isn't a penalty at all, and then goes on Twitter and pretends the Jets defence had the same holes all series as they did in the regular season.

I don't know if Luszczyszyn accomplished what he was trying to--his seemingly-annual article about how it's dumb to change to rules mid-season--but what he definitely did accomplish was to slander the Jets and spread misinformation about how they beat the sad-sack Oilers in four straight.


I don't know anything about Doerrie. I agree with you that the 2nd example looks much worse because McDavid bails out. The first one is the difference between him trying to separate himself from Appleton riding him into the neutral zone and then a tackle from Appleton after that.

On Dom, he writes stats articles and opinion pieces. He's not writing a doctorate here, he's writing an opinion piece. The idea that he's slandering the Jets is a bit much - from the reaction to his tweets before this article, he had lots of support from many other media people. He put his own money on the Jets to win the series so its not like he's some bitter Oilers homer either.

The Jets beat the Oilers for many reasons - the Oilers have no depth beyond the big 2 forwards, their PK was a nightmare, they collapsed mentally in game 3, Smith let in some iffy ones at key times including game 2 and game 4 OTs. All of this can be true but what can ALSO be true is the Jets took advantage of some lax reffing to make life difficult for McDavid and Draisaitl.

Hes not done talking about this, he tweeted this like 15 minutes ago

 

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Regarding claims about officiating, Advanced stats, on paper victories, Vegas odds, and complaints about Hellebuyck’s what? Excistence?

the Jets say
 

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I don't know anything about Doerrie. I agree with you that the 2nd example looks much worse because McDavid bails out. The first one is the difference between him trying to separate himself from Appleton riding him into the neutral zone and then a tackle from Appleton after that.

On Dom, he writes stats articles and opinion pieces. He's not writing a doctorate here, he's writing an opinion piece. The idea that he's slandering the Jets is a bit much - from the reaction to his tweets before this article, he had lots of support from many other media people. He put his own money on the Jets to win the series so its not like he's some bitter Oilers homer either.

The Jets beat the Oilers for many reasons - the Oilers have no depth beyond the big 2 forwards, their PK was a nightmare, they collapsed mentally in game 3, Smith let in some iffy ones at key times including game 2 and game 4 OTs. All of this can be true but what can ALSO be true is the Jets took advantage of some lax reffing to make life difficult for McDavid and Draisaitl.

Hes not done talking about this, he tweeted this like 15 minutes ago

how is that a tackle? sure you can call a hold but then you have to call the attempted sell job to go with that....
 

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I don't know anything about Doerrie. I agree with you that the 2nd example looks much worse because McDavid bails out. The first one is the difference between him trying to separate himself from Appleton riding him into the neutral zone and then a tackle from Appleton after that.

On Dom, he writes stats articles and opinion pieces. He's not writing a doctorate here, he's writing an opinion piece. The idea that he's slandering the Jets is a bit much - from the reaction to his tweets before this article, he had lots of support from many other media people. He put his own money on the Jets to win the series so its not like he's some bitter Oilers homer either.

The Jets beat the Oilers for many reasons - the Oilers have no depth beyond the big 2 forwards, their PK was a nightmare, they collapsed mentally in game 3, Smith let in some iffy ones at key times including game 2 and game 4 OTs. All of this can be true but what can ALSO be true is the Jets took advantage of some lax reffing to make life difficult for McDavid and Draisaitl.

Hes not done talking about this, he tweeted this like 15 minutes ago


Trying to separate himself and getting tackled in the neutral zone? That interpretation is kind of the gist of what’s being discussed. That play by McDavid is a penalty all day, every day during the regular season but they chose not to call it which in turn caused them not to call the Apples penalty. The whole thing is messed up, not just the MacDavid part.

Homer or not he completely loses me by focusing on calls not made on McDavid and admitting he wasn’t really even paying attention to calls not made against the Jets. He’s trying to advance his not protecting the superstars narrative at the expense of the bigger problem, which is simply them choosing to put the whistle away in the playoffs. I watched all 4 games, there wasn’t anything more egregious not called that favoured the Jets. If he wants people to listen to him, he’s got to do better than that.
 

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Trying to separate himself and getting tackled in the neutral zone? That interpretation is kind of the gist of what’s being discussed. That play by McDavid is a penalty all day, every day during the regular season but they chose not to call it which in turn caused them not to call the Apples penalty. The whole thing is messed up, not just the MacDavid part.

Homer or not he completely loses me by focusing on calls not made on McDavid and admitting he wasn’t really even paying attention to calls not made against the Jets. He’s trying to advance his not protecting the superstars narrative at the expense of the bigger problem, which is simply them choosing to put the whistle away in the playoffs. I watched all 4 games, there wasn’t anything more egregious not called that favoured the Jets. If he wants people to listen to him, he’s got to do better than that.
This is also why I think this is a poor time to release this article — it just comes off a homerism or as whining about McDavid not advancing in the playoffs. If that’s not what he’s doing, he’s losing people who are assuming that this is the case.
 
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I’m going to go through the game footage and post all the ridiculous non calls for the Oilers on Twitter. It’s going to take awhile, especially all the crosschecks from Nurse and Draisaitl. My favourite will be whoever it was who did the George Washington impersonation by breaking his stick across Morrissey’s leg in game 4 like he was chopping down a cherry tree.
 

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I’m going to go through the game footage and post all the ridiculous non calls for the Oilers on Twitter. It’s going to take awhile, especially all the crosschecks from Nurse and Draisaitl. My favourite will be whoever it was who did the George Washington impersonation by breaking his stick across Morrissey’s leg in game 4 like he was chopping down a cherry tree.

didn’t Nurse flip the puck over the glass in double OT in game 4?
 
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