Post-Game Talk: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! JETS SWEEP OILERS

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Evil Little

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Aren't these reporter guys supposed to show some semblance of neutrality? He's not the Oilers beat reporter for The Athletic, I don't believe, so, what gives?

He's not a reporter, he's their model guy and writes a lot about gambling. They give him a lot of leeway to write in a non-objective way or about Riverdale, or whatever.

In this case, though, he's either being lazy or intentionally setting up the Jets as low-key cheaters in preparation for their presumptive meeting with the Leafs (sic).
 

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Jets could take 15 penalties in a game... Kill them all off... The other team takes 1 and we score and they and others will bitch that refs screwed them.

Sportsnet fuels the stupidity. Fact is... If that Cassie Campbell and the panel were a little more not blatantly cheering for 1 team over the other and presented a fair and balanced panel..... None of this would exist.

It's gonna be awesome when the Jets beat the leafs tho... Seriously... Toronto's tears will taste delicious but Sportsnet tears will be f***ing fabulous
 
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I mean, it's clear he hasn't been watching the Jets if he thinks their regular season defence looked anything like they've played so far in the playoffs.

Weird watching battle lines being drawn here presumably in advanced support of the f***ing Leafs (sic) who will continue playing like dirtbags only to have all the wannabe dangles defend it with bad faith arguments about 'I thought you liked gritty playoff hockey last round', as though they've watched any of the games.

McScuses got beat by a combination of tight defense, good goaltending, and loose officiating that both teams had plenty of time to acclimate to and take advantage of.

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Found this in the replies to Luszczszyn's initial tweet of his article:



Ehlers and Scheifele are no slouches either when it comes to drawing penalties. Shameful bullshit that this is being painted as some beautiful game Oilers versus clutch-and-grab Jets narrative.


Ehlers is one of the best in the league at penalty-drawing, and for his efforts he gets a reputation as a flopper/diver :rant: - drives me crazy
McDavid draws for the same reasons and everyone acknowledges it's because he's good.
 

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He's not a reporter, he's their model guy and writes a lot about gambling. They give him a lot of leeway to write in a non-objective way or about Riverdale, or whatever.

In this case, though, he's either being lazy or intentionally setting up the Jets as low-key cheaters in preparation for their presumptive meeting with the Leafs (sic).

I'm quoting you just for simplicity's sake since my response is to you but also many posters in this thread who seemingly have missed the point of the article altogether.

The article wasn't a commentary specifically on this series. Yes, he used McDavid as the example and yes, he made a brief mention of penalties that weren't called on the Oilers as well, but that's not the issue being brought up.

He's saying that the NHL does a terrible job of marketing its stars and letting them be the stars the league needs to be able to market them. Neutrals and casual fans don't want to tune into to see the best players in the league get tackled and grabbed.

He's not blaming the Jets or calling them cheaters - his article says this goes all the way back to Mario Lemieux, and it's one of the reasons Mario retired when he did. He said on Twitter its not to blame the Jets either; they know how the game is called in the playoffs and you might as well play the way the game is played. Hate the game, not the player.

I agree with him, for the most part. In what world does probably the fastest player in the league, definitely the most skilled player in the league, go 8 playoff games drawing no penalties? There wasn't an instance of being held a little bit, maybe tripped up, maybe interfered with? Of course there was. The reffing in the NHL is so terrified of influencing the game that they influence it by NOT calling these things. In game 4, the refs know that a Jets goal sends the Oilers home, so they don't want to call the PP that does that. They don't want to appear one-sided so they don't call anything against the Jets either. This is all under the guise of "letting them play", when in fact, they AREN'T letting them play because they can't do anything.

The NBA does this too, but in the opposite direction. Watch playoff games - for the most part, the stars get the calls. LeBron gets the benefit of the doubt, Durant gets the benefit, etc etc. In fact, the only player I've watched that DOESN'T get the benefit of the doubt is Steph Curry. This makes the stars the centrepieces of the playoffs and you can more easily market it to a wider crowd. My issue with it is that they get away with so much that it encourages them to flop, but it also means that other teams are kept down by not having these players on their team.

This is getting attention here because it seems like more whining about how the Oilers aren't in the playoffs anymore, and it makes it seem like the Jets don't deserve to have won the series, but the Jets specifically planned to play the game like this, knowing there is less space in the playoffs and the refs barely call anything. If they get called a couple of times for clutching or slashes in game 1, the game plan adjusts completely.

Like it or not, the potential of McDavid vs Matthews in the playoffs is a HUGE draw for not only Canadian audiences but also in the US. While our goaltender is probably top 3 in the league, you don't tune in to watch a goalie make great saves. You tune in to watch a player make nice plays, the best in the world against another top 5-10 player in the league, West vs East, two historical franchises, all of that. The NHL needs to market its star players better, and they need to stop neutering them in the playoffs by not calling stuff because they don't want to influence the game.

TL;DR - Anyone thinking this is a hit piece against the Jets or just more whining by the media that the Oilers didn't win is completely missing the point.
 

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Looks like a Jets v Leafs division finals. I won’t listen to any panelists or pundits.
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IF, and thats a big IF, we can get by Toronto, then I'd expect as the only remaining Canadian team in the playoffs, we'd start to get some positive media coverage on Sportsnet and CBC. Well, perhaps after a few days of "what went wrong with the Leafs" talks.
 

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IF, and thats a big IF, we can get by Toronto, then I'd expect as the only remaining Canadian team in the playoffs, we'd start to get some positive media coverage on Sportsnet and CBC. Well, perhaps after a few days of "what went wrong with the Leafs" talks.

I don't want them on our bandwagon. f*** Sportsnet and f*** the Canadian media. They can all just f*** off. If Sportsnet decided to go with no announcers and no panel it would be an improvement

Why is it a big IF? Because you have listened to their stupid hype.
 
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man it's getting annoying reading the new narrative that the oilers dominated only to have helle go godmode and having the refs win the series. when if you actually watched the games you would have seen 4 close games with solid goaltending on both sides and both teams getting away with alot

So much this.

The series really was a coin flip. I think each game could have gone either way.

If anything, I felt as if the refs were trying to stack the play against the Jets due to the amount of 5 on 3 PP the Oilers got. But I will admit that I am biased, and maybe that's not really true.
 

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I'm quoting you just for simplicity's sake since my response is to you but also many posters in this thread who seemingly have missed the point of the article altogether.

The article wasn't a commentary specifically on this series. Yes, he used McDavid as the example and yes, he made a brief mention of penalties that weren't called on the Oilers as well, but that's not the issue being brought up.

He's saying that the NHL does a terrible job of marketing its stars and letting them be the stars the league needs to be able to market them. Neutrals and casual fans don't want to tune into to see the best players in the league get tackled and grabbed.

He's not blaming the Jets or calling them cheaters - his article says this goes all the way back to Mario Lemieux, and it's one of the reasons Mario retired when he did. He said on Twitter its not to blame the Jets either; they know how the game is called in the playoffs and you might as well play the way the game is played. Hate the game, not the player.

I agree with him, for the most part. In what world does probably the fastest player in the league, definitely the most skilled player in the league, go 8 playoff games drawing no penalties? There wasn't an instance of being held a little bit, maybe tripped up, maybe interfered with? Of course there was. The reffing in the NHL is so terrified of influencing the game that they influence it by NOT calling these things. In game 4, the refs know that a Jets goal sends the Oilers home, so they don't want to call the PP that does that. They don't want to appear one-sided so they don't call anything against the Jets either. This is all under the guise of "letting them play", when in fact, they AREN'T letting them play because they can't do anything.

The NBA does this too, but in the opposite direction. Watch playoff games - for the most part, the stars get the calls. LeBron gets the benefit of the doubt, Durant gets the benefit, etc etc. In fact, the only player I've watched that DOESN'T get the benefit of the doubt is Steph Curry. This makes the stars the centrepieces of the playoffs and you can more easily market it to a wider crowd. My issue with it is that they get away with so much that it encourages them to flop, but it also means that other teams are kept down by not having these players on their team.

This is getting attention here because it seems like more whining about how the Oilers aren't in the playoffs anymore, and it makes it seem like the Jets don't deserve to have won the series, but the Jets specifically planned to play the game like this, knowing there is less space in the playoffs and the refs barely call anything. If they get called a couple of times for clutching or slashes in game 1, the game plan adjusts completely.

Like it or not, the potential of McDavid vs Matthews in the playoffs is a HUGE draw for not only Canadian audiences but also in the US. While our goaltender is probably top 3 in the league, you don't tune in to watch a goalie make great saves. You tune in to watch a player make nice plays, the best in the world against another top 5-10 player in the league, West vs East, two historical franchises, all of that. The NHL needs to market its star players better, and they need to stop neutering them in the playoffs by not calling stuff because they don't want to influence the game.

TL;DR - Anyone thinking this is a hit piece against the Jets or just more whining by the media that the Oilers didn't win is completely missing the point.
I take that what’s being suggested is an overhaul of the “rules,” or, at least as to how they are defined in the playoffs. Playoffs have been called this way for decades, it’s engrained into the game at this point. It’s an I’ll-advised time to publish a piece like this because on it’s surface it appears to be a piece whining because McDavid is out.

It’s hard (near impossible) to just flip a switch and have the playoffs be officiated differently than how they’ve been for generations. Perhaps a slow shift to calling things more will be the way to go.

Ultimately, the officiating should have nothing to do with ratings or anything like that. The NHL can “hope” for the McDavid vs. Matthews matchup from a marketing and financial standpoint, but they should have zero power as to making it happen. It would be bush league to try to influence the game to get the desired marketable matchup. Not saying this doesn’t happen, but that’s my stance on it. Drawing power of potential series that are dependent on the result of current games should have absolutely zero bearing on the officiating of current series. The officiating shouldn’t change in this round to help influence a potential Leafs/Oilers series. The NHL shouldn’t change how they’ve officiated playoffs for years just because of McDavid vs. Matthews.
 
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I take that what’s being suggested is an overhaul of the “rules,” or, at least as to how they are defined in the playoffs. Playoffs have been called this way for decades, it’s engrained into the game at this point. It’s an I’ll-advised time to publish a piece like this because on it’s surface it appears to be a piece whining because McDavid is out.

It’s hard (near impossible) to just flip a switch and have the playoffs be officiated differently than how they’ve been for generations. Perhaps a slow shift to calling things more will be the way to go.

Ultimately, the officiating should have nothing to do with ratings or anything like that. The NHL can “hope” for the McDavid vs. Matthews matchup from a marketing and financial standpoint, but they should have zero power as to making it happen. It would be bush league to try to influence the game to get the desired marketable matchup. Not saying this doesn’t happen, but that’s my stance on it. Drawing power of potential series that are dependent on the result of current games should have absolutely zero bearing on the officiating of current series. The officiating shouldn’t change in this round to help influence a potential Leafs/Oilers series. The NHL shouldn’t change how they’ve officiated playoffs for years just because of McDavid vs. Matthews.

It's not an ill-advised time to publish it, it's as good a time as any. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. If the Oilers won and Matthews went out because the Habs "played him tight" all series, it would be about that and not this, but it wouldn't invalidate the opinion.

It's difficult to flip the switch in the middle of the playoffs, but all the NHL needs to do in the off-season is say "We're going to call playoff games like they're regular season games" and it'll stop immediately. Especially if they actually do it in the first games of the playoffs too.

The officiating should have nothing to do with ratings, we agree on that. What the article is saying, and I agree with, is that these kind of superstar matchups would be far more likely to happen if the game was called a bit closer to the rulebook. If more stuff was called, McDavid and the like would have more room to operate, and because they are naturally more talented, they'll probably be more successful, and their teams will win, and the marketing people are happy with that.

I'm not suggesting to call penalties more often when McDavid or Matthews are the "victim", because that's not the case, I'm saying that they shouldn't get held to a higher standard because they're better and should fight through this stuff, and that if the rules were applied correctly and consistently, their natural talents would win out.
 

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It's not an ill-advised time to publish it, it's as good a time as any. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. If the Oilers won and Matthews went out because the Habs "played him tight" all series, it would be about that and not this, but it wouldn't invalidate the opinion.

It's difficult to flip the switch in the middle of the playoffs, but all the NHL needs to do in the off-season is say "We're going to call playoff games like they're regular season games" and it'll stop immediately. Especially if they actually do it in the first games of the playoffs too.

The officiating should have nothing to do with ratings, we agree on that. What the article is saying, and I agree with, is that these kind of superstar matchups would be far more likely to happen if the game was called a bit closer to the rulebook. If more stuff was called, McDavid and the like would have more room to operate, and because they are naturally more talented, they'll probably be more successful, and their teams will win, and the marketing people are happy with that.

I'm not suggesting to call penalties more often when McDavid or Matthews are the "victim", because that's not the case, I'm saying that they shouldn't get held to a higher standard because they're better and should fight through this stuff, and that if the rules were applied correctly and consistently, their natural talents would win out.
I disagree on the timing of the publication because it’s doing the opposite of what this writer intended. The reactions to it on this site and Twitter are proof of that.

I agree on everything else you say.
 
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I remember getting the 7 game pack for 11 bucks a ticket from 7-11 , always got a slurpee when i bought them. :laugh:
Yep, used to get the Sev tickets as well. They also sold dirt cheap tickets for a few years to Uni students, in one section of the upper deck. Went to so many games those years it was like I was a season ticket holder. We’d always scope out empty seats in the lower bowl during the first period and move to them for the 2nd. Almost always was able to “upgrade” for nothing. Not for whiteouts though.
 

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These guys act like bad refereeing is some kind of new thing :laugh:.

The bottom line is humans are doing the job and that means it will always be imperfect. Infractions are discretionary in sports like hockey, basketball, football and soccer and for every one they miss, they also get one wrong. It’s just the way it is. Deliberately not calling it as close is wrong, that can change, but it’s not going to really solve the problem. It’s not like baseball where pretty much anything can be overturned by a camera or just automated.
 
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