That has yet to be proven.
Are you feeling more or less optimistic about the leafs future since Dubas took over?
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You're using a very simplistic fact, while ignoring a lot of relevant information about that fact, to suggest something that is not a fact, about a very different team.
We have a decent amount of cap space, and all of the important pieces signed. We don't need to go "bargain bin shopping", and "bargain bin shopping" isn't necessarily a bad thing anyway, if you're finding bargains.
The contracts were earned the same way as everybody else, based on what they had shown through their pre-signing period.
Not really. Not that hard to beat what Lou and Babcock were doing.
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We are 0-5 under the new rebuild trying to win a 1st round series.
Please show me facts that indicate otherwise.
We have changed the GM, coach, bottom 6, D, depth, goalie, assistants, toilet paper.
6 strikes and you’re out.
The GM, the core, coach all are on high alert now.
Please show me facts that indicate otherwise.
We have changed the GM, coach, bottom 6, D, depth, goalie, assistants, toilet paper.
6 strikes and you’re out.
The GM, the core, coach all are on high alert now.
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It isn't a bad thing when your core performs. They haven't in the playoffs. At all.
ShaneFalco
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Not sure what that has to do with what you quoted, but that's also not true. We've seen good performances from these players in the playoffs. Really, the only issue we've seen in the playoffs from them is conversion issues at times in very small samples, against solid defensive teams getting some objectively excellent goaltending performances. That's not near enough to give up on your elite players at age 23.
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Noones giving up on the elite players. But not even considering moving one to create cap flexibility and better team balance is short-sighted and arrogant. Like Dubas needs to prove his formula works. I'm about the team, not names on the back of the jersey
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Giving up on elite players at age 23 is exactly what you're suggesting. I'm about the team as well, and we don't make our team better by moving them. Our team is very well balanced already. We have one of the better offenses and defenses in the league, and a goalie coming off a great season.
None of our rfas have earned their contracts. Especially marner and matthews.
Our coach is worse than Babcock and dubas is less than half the gm lou is.
Your head is so far up in the expected clouds you cant even see how out of reality you are.
All of our RFAs earned the contracts they got, and Dubas and Keefe have been doing a better job than Lou and Babcock ever did for us.
Lou just won gm of the year twice. He inherited a far worse team than dubas and yet has twice as many wins in the PO.
You are 100% wrong about our rfas.
As gms go: lou >>> Kyle.
As coaches: babs >> keefe.
The dubas fan boys have been harping on the Islanders for 3 years now and praising dubas. Yet the islanders have been doing far better. Its almost like they have a hard time understanding how hockey actually works. Its not about looking at xgf and corsi.
Hockey is played on the ice. You would do well to remember that.
Lou did not win GM of the year with us, and I don't really care about meaningless reputation trophies anyway.
I've proven my position extensively and repeatedly. The RFA contracts are consistent with recent and historical comparables.
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The unconvincing part of your position may be the fact that you need to go into extensive and repeated proofs to show the RFA contracts are industry standard in the first place.
When our boys are getting paid 8 figure salaries and their peers are getting 7 figure salaries the exact summer, it jumps out at you that Toronto overpaid. By how much, up for debate. Was it worth it, up for debate. But the idea that they got paid industry standard? Not really.
Yeah, how dare I prove something using all of the relevant information that would unquestionably impact the contract negotiations being discussed, when we could just arbitrarily decide that raw points with zero context is all that matters because that's what you want to be true.
That's quite misleading since we're talking about the low end of 8 figures, and the high end of 7 figures, and players that weren't the same quality as Matthews/Marner through their pre-signing periods, signed largely to lesser terms. As you've been shown many times, the contracts for Matthews and Marner are consistent with post-ELC contracts given out in the same year, recent years, and throughout the entire cap era, based on their respective pre-signing periods.
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Bourne:
I bet some will see this as a positive, I don't. It just means the dude isn't a complete despot: "If there's a flaw to him there can be some immaturity in that he's very emotional... he'll say something reactionary in the moment that often sounds like 'what?' and then the next morning you have your meeting and he's put time into it he does the right thing."
This is who Brendan Shanahan chose to hire as the team's GM: "This is a guy after losing a playoff round smashed a bunch of pictures off the wall, kicking around broken glass in the dressing room. He was younger, it was 4 years ago."
Good audio although the host did inexplicably mistake Gostisbehere for Provorov later in the podcast.
I bet some will see this as a positive, I don't. It just means the dude isn't a complete despot: "If there's a flaw to him there can be some immaturity in that he's very emotional... he'll say something reactionary in the moment that often sounds like 'what?' and then the next morning you have your meeting and he's put time into it he does the right thing."
This is who Brendan Shanahan chose to hire as the team's GM: "This is a guy after losing a playoff round smashed a bunch of pictures off the wall, kicking around broken glass in the dressing room. He was younger, it was 4 years ago."
Good audio although the host did inexplicably mistake Gostisbehere for Provorov later in the podcast.
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ShaneFalco
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Listened to part of that too. Some good points in there and they talked about him going all-in on the core so publicly.
It has been thus far.
Well, if your one of those people that concern yourself with things like results.
The only REAL issue is they haven't won a playoff round with Dubas or Keefe in charge.
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34 & 16 produced under Babcock. Line matching is a thing, unfortunately Keefe is incapable
After seeing what Lou Lam has been able to do with the Islanders should have Shanahan on the hot seat this year for sure. Maybe BS and Lou didn't see eye to eye but I bet if Lou was still the GM in Toronto the Leafs would have won a few rounds by now.
ShaneFalco
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But then I think they became too predictable. But agreed, Keefe did nothing to try and get them going. And the PP - come on!
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Exactly. When we shutdown the perfection line early against Boston Cassidy had Pasternak on a different line by game 3. Coaches coach
