Are you feeling more or less optimistic about the leafs future since Dubas took over?

[kb]

Yep he doesn’t seem the type to lean on the vets and the maxed out cap will always prevent that from happening anyway.

It wasn't the right call.
So was Marleau the right vet?

 

[ACC1224]

It wasn't the right call.
So was Marleau the right vet?

Who knows? He seemed to be. Way overpaid though. The Spezza type is the way they should have went.

 

[Bomber0104]

What? The overager thing was Hunter's call, he raved about Korshkov and that he was shocked he was even available with our 2nd. You think Dubas of all people wanted to draft overagers that couldn't skate just because they were 6'4 defensemen?

How is the jury still out on his picks when they've actually played in the NHL, but the jury isn't out on trading down not working? Is it too soon or is it not too soon? Of course, it's too soon for the good parts, but not too soon for anything you can criticize right?

"The overager thing" he says lol.

Sean Durzi says hello.

Posters just like you spent loads of their time on here giving long-winded spiels about how Boy Wonder Kyle Dubas is so smart to exploit the overager "inefficiency" in the NHL draft.

He got traded as a toss-in for Jake Muzzin, and has sputtered since then as a prospect.

Revisionist history is nothing new on this site, but I'm going to need you personally to try just a little bit harder to convince me Kyle has materialized anything with his drafts so far. I have faith you can do it too.

We all know what our past GM's have done with their first round picks (Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly).

Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't really have much of anything on his hands right now ready to help his capped-out team.

And that includes ALL rounds in his drafts. Not only the 1st round picks he hasn't traded away.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

"The overager thing" he says lol.

Sean Durzi says hello.

Posters just like you spent loads of their time on here giving long-winded spiels about how Boy Wonder Kyle Dubas is so smart to exploit the overager "inefficiency" in the NHL draft.

He got traded as a toss-in for Jake Muzzin, and has sputtered since then as a prospect.

Revisionist history is nothing new on this site, but I'm going to need you personally to try just a little bit harder to convince me Kyle has materialized anything with his drafts so far. I have faith you can do it too.

We all know what our past GM's have done with their first round picks (Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly).

Unfortunately, Kyle doesn't really have much of anything on his hands right now ready to help his capped-out team.

And that includes ALL rounds in his drafts. Not only the 1st round picks he hasn't traded away.

Why are you comparing top 5 picks (and Nylander) to the 29th overall pick? I think Dubas could've drafted Matthews too, but I doubt you would give him much credit for it and rightly so

 

[Bomber0104]

Why are you comparing top 5 picks (and Nylander) to the 29th overall pick? I think Dubas could've drafted Matthews too, but I doubt you would give him much credit for it and rightly so

Regardless of where Dubas has picked in the 1st round of the draft, doesn't take away from the fact that none of it from 1st round to 7th is currently helping the Leafs roster compete now or in the immediate future.

Mind you, constantly trading away your 1st round picks probably doesn't help in that endeavor...

That was kind of the gist of the entire post you quoted, but I guess you're just trying to split hairs.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Regardless of where Dubas has picked in the 1st round of the draft, doesn't take away from the fact that none of it from 1st round to 7th is currently helping the Leafs roster compete now or in the immediate future.

Mind you, constantly trading away your 1st round picks probably doesn't help in that endeavor...

That was kind of the gist of the entire post you quoted, but I guess you're just trying to split hairs.

Not too high on Sandin?

 

[zeke]

2 drafts in and 2 teenagers ready to contribute already. Pretty slick.

 

[Bomber0104]

Not too high on Sandin?

Not really.

Undersized defencemen with a limited skillset don't interest me much.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Regardless of where Dubas has picked in the 1st round of the draft, doesn't take away from the fact that none of it from 1st round to 7th is currently helping the Leafs roster compete now or in the immediate future.

Mind you, constantly trading away your 1st round picks probably doesn't help in that endeavor...

That was kind of the gist of the entire post you quoted, but I guess you're just trying to split hairs.

His best picks were 25th in 2018 and 22nd in 2019 if he decided to keep them. The chances of him having found someone ready to contribute full time in the NHL by now is pretty low and I don't see why you'd hold it against him. 28 games for Sandin is still 11th best in his draft class so far, and there have only been 3 full time NHLers from the 2019 class and Robertson looks like a massive riser

 

[zeke]

2018 Draft, Points leaders

1. #2 W A.Svechnikov 98pts (150gms)
2. #4 W B.Tkachuk 89pts (142gms)
3. #1 D R.Dahlin 84pts (141gms)
4. #7 D Q.Hughes 56pts (73gms)
5. #3 C J.Kotkaniemi 42pts (115gms)
6. #14 W J.Farabee 21pts (51gms)
7. #6 W F.Zadina 18pts (37gms)
8. #8 D A.Boqvist 13pts (41gms)
9. #29 D R.Sandin 8pts (28gms)
10. #12 D N.Dobson 7pts (34gms)

 

[Bomber0104]

His best picks were 25th in 2018 and 22nd in 2019 if he decided to keep them. The chances of him having found someone ready to contribute full time in the NHL by now is pretty low and I don't see why you'd hold it against him. 28 games for Sandin is still 11th best in his draft class so far, and there have only been 3 full time NHLers from the 2019 class and Robertson looks like a massive riser

Again, an awfully roundabout way to say his drafts haven't amounted to anything yet.

"Looks to be a massive riser"
'Played 28 games so far"
"Ready to contribute"

Statements just as meaningless as Dubas' drafts have been for the Leafs thus far.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Again, an awfully roundabout way to say his drafts haven't amounted to anything yet.

"Looks to be a massive riser"
'Played 28 games so far"
"Ready to contribute"

Statements just as meaningless as the drafts have been for the Leafs thus far.

the problem is you're twisting yourself into knots to avoid giving Dubas any credit for good drafting. Only 3 players from the 2019 draft (Hughes, Kakko, and Dach) were regular NHLers last year. Why is it such a failure that Dubas was unable to draft one of them?

 

[Ciao]

Again, an awfully roundabout way to say his drafts haven't amounted to anything yet.

"Looks to be a massive riser"
'Played 28 games so far"
"Ready to contribute"

Statements just as meaningless as Dubas' drafts have been for the Leafs thus far.

Why don't you tell us which players Dubas should have picked -- the ones that in your view would have "amounted" to something thus far?

I'm interested to learn how "meaningful" is your criticism of Dubas' draft picks.

 

[Bomber0104]

the problem is you're twisting yourself into knots to avoid giving Dubas any credit for good drafting. Only 3 players from the 2019 draft (Hughes, Kakko, and Dach) were regular NHLers last year. Why is it such a failure that Dubas was unable to draft one of them?

No, actually the problem is you're so willing to give credit when there's zero to be given.

A poster gave him an "A" for drafting when literally no results are in. Only speculation.

I merely point that out and for some weird reason you take issue to me doing that.

 

[Menzinger]

Again, an awfully roundabout way to say his drafts haven't amounted to anything yet.

"Looks to be a massive riser"
'Played 28 games so far"
"Ready to contribute"

Statements just as meaningless as Dubas' drafts have been for the Leafs thus far.

I suspect this comment will age as well as milk left out on a hot summers day.

Sandin and Robertson already look more promising than most of the non-top 5 draft selections the Leafs have made in recent years....

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

No, actually the problem is you're so willing to give credit when there's zero to be given.

A poster gave him an "A" for drafting when literally no results are in. Only speculation.

I merely point that out and for some weird reason you take issue to me doing that.

the issue is that there clearly are results, you just have a wildly unrealistic expectation of how the last two drafts should have gone. Drafting Sandin at 29th and him being #11 in games played and #9 in points in his draft class is a real result, and you're ignoring it for no reason

 

[Menzinger]

the issue is that there clearly are results, you just have a wildly unrealistic expectation of how the last two drafts should have gone. Drafting Sandin at 29th and him being #11 in games played and #9 in points in his draft class is a real result, and you're ignoring it for no reason

Some folks conveniently forget Dubas was GM for a out a month prior to the 2018 draft.

Still didn't stop Sandin from being one of the better non top 10 picks in recent Leafs Leafs history

 

[Bomber0104]

the issue is that there clearly are results, you just have a wildly unrealistic expectation of how the last two drafts should have gone. Drafting Sandin at 29th and him being #11 in games played and #9 in points in his draft class is a real result, and you're ignoring it for no reason

These are inconsequential and utterly meaningless numbers at this point.

Sandin is not a factor for the Leafs right now.

In two or three years we'll know who actually drafted well in 2018 and 2019.

Until then, it's speculation and way too early for you to start taking a victory lap over Kyle Dubas' drafting ability.

It's amazing that you disagree with any of this, frankly.

 

[Bomber0104]

I suspect this comment will age as well as milk left out on a hot summers day.

Sandin and Robertson already look more promising than most of the non-top 5 draft selections the Leafs have made in recent years....

Again, speculation. Not a fact and not a testament to how the 2018/2019 drafts have panned out.

You can applaud Dubas all you want, but really there's no tally for the results on these drafts yet.

How can you say Dubas is good at drafting when we have literally zero drafted and developed players of his to judge him on?

I'm actually shocked that this is a disputed topic right now

 

[Dekes For Days]

Again, speculation.

It's not speculation. Like pretty much all draft picks in those drafts, the players are too young to be major contributors to their NHL team. Even the very top picks haven't done much. However, both Leaf draft picks have done way better than their draft position would suggest, and projections based on what they have done suggest excellent results in the NHL. Even until they make the NHL, we have significantly increased our asset value from those picks, which is a benefit to the team.

 

[Menzinger]

Again, speculation. Not a fact and not a testament to how the 2018/2019 drafts have panned out.

You can applaud Dubas all you want, but really there's no tally for the results on these drafts yet.

How can you say Dubas is good at drafting when we have literally zero drafted and developed players of his to judge him on?

I'm actually shocked that this is a disputed topic right now

Sandin alone has leapfrogged every non top 10 pick the team has made other than Dermott in terms of development since 2014

Hey if you want to bet against him and Robertson go ahead, but im sure it wont pan out as you pessimistically predict

 

[Martin Skoula]

Again, speculation. Not a fact and not a testament to how the 2018/2019 drafts have panned out.

You can applaud Dubas all you want, but really there's no tally for the results on these drafts yet.

How can you say Dubas is good at drafting when we have literally zero drafted and developed players of his to judge him on?

I'm actually shocked that this is a disputed topic right now

So no one had a good draft in the last two years then yeah? I mean even the last 1st OA only has 21 points, that's not a meaningful contributor to a team.

 

[Bomber0104]

So no one had a good draft in the last two years then yeah? I mean even the last 1st OA only has 21 points, that's not a meaningful contributor to a team.

And we'll find out in 2-3 years on that player as well.

Most players, especially defencemen, take several years to arrive at their peak after the time they're drafted. It's a well known fact, but I guess certain people need to be reminded of that.

A lack of depth and injuries forced the Leafs to bring up Sandin and Lilly. This desperation at the D position doesn't all of a sudden catapult those two ahead of other prospects.

 

[Garthinater]

Let's see.

Lou took us from last to a franchise record, 105, in points within 3 years.

With dubas in charge we are barely a playoff bubble team now.

Combince that with spending right to the cap, making bad trades and player assessments (see sparks, barrie, etc) being voted the gm to give the best deals by agents (not something we as leaf fans want).

I dont know how 97 of you can just stick your head in the sand and ignore everything.

#firedubas

 

[The Podium]

No, actually the problem is you're so willing to give credit when there's zero to be given.

A poster gave him an "A" for drafting when literally no results are in. Only speculation.

I merely point that out and for some weird reason you take issue to me doing that.

In that same thought process you can’t give Dubas an F for contracts because no results are in, only speculation. They might end up steals by the end of the contracts....