Are we ruining the kids?

[GAGLine]

 

[nyr2k2]

Nah, they're fine. We could maybe give them some more minutes, but otherwise things are fine. Having seen both play a good bit at the AHL level, I don't really think there's much for them to work on down there. They just need to adjust to the speed and flow of an NHL game and identify what they can and cannot do, and most of all learn what it takes to be successful at this level. I think they're coming along just fine, and I don't think that sending them back to the AHL would serve much benefit.

EDIT: I'm talking about Andersson and Chytil. Let's remember that other kids--Howden, Pionk, DeAngelo--are all doing very well for themselves. I trust Quinn and Gorton have a plan for how to develop them. Quinn said it the other day (when talking about it not being a rebuild), this is building and developing. I'm pleased with what I've seen thus far.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would REALLY like to see Spooner get some time with Lettieri and Andersson. It would seem that a guy like Spooner who likes to distribute the puck and play a more cerebral game would work well with those two guys who like to shoot and don't mind getting their noses dirty

 

[Mac n Gs]

Nah, they're fine. We could maybe give them some more minutes, but otherwise things are fine. Having seen both play a good bit at the AHL level, I don't really think there's much for them to work on down there. They just need to adjust to the speed and flow of an NHL game and identify what they can and cannot do, and most of all learn what it takes to be successful at this level. I think they're coming along just fine, and I don't think that sending them back to the AHL would serve much benefit.

EDIT: I'm talking about Andersson and Chytil. Let's remember that other kids--Howden, Pionk, DeAngelo--are all doing very well for themselves. I trust Quinn and Gorton have a plan for how to develop them. Quinn said it the other day (when talking about it not being a rebuild), this is building and developing. I'm pleased with what I've seen thus far.

You hit most of what I was getting ready to say in a follow-up post. They’re both figuring out how to battle to get time and space on NHL-ice, which the AHL won’t help them learn. This applies more to Chytil than Lias, but look at his scoring chance from yesterday: fights his way to a loose puck around the net and just misses sliding it into an empty net. Similar thing last night on his forecheck with Zucc where they both swarmed the Isles d from opposite sides of the ice. Lias has been forcing turnovers along the boards and making solid plays from the perimeter, but he’ll have to figure out how to get into the middle of the ice.

I don’t think either are at a point right now where the AHL will help them.

 

[True Blue]

I love that this is a thread considering we're going back-to-back games with Howden having a goal and primary assist, and Chytil scoring 2 goals after getting a significant bump in ice time to the 1st line, 1st special teams unit, and being played in late-minute situations. Even Lias was given a shot at top-6 minutes before yesterday.

Is Jeff Gorton ruining the kids? No. Is his way of development ruining the kids? No. None of them look overmatched.

 

[eco's bones]

First off I don't think either is being ruined. They are young guys figuring out the game. They can keep up with the action. They're involved when they're on the ice. Chytil's had a goal in each of the last two so he seems to be figuring it out a bit. Andersson's first year in the SHL he went scoreless and he built off of that. Lias's game isn't all about offensive production. He's a guy who contributes in other areas too. In the AHL this year he was doing really well. To me he's playing just fine and I don't think we have to worry about him losing confidence--he strikes me as a guy who has a lot of mental fortitude.

 

[cwede]

i would just be rotating to HWP the ones who are not playing alot
(ie not Howden, Chytil now, but I'd be open to even giving them 4-8 game stretches playing top-6, all-situation minutes w HWP)
i love Lias being up, but ok with him cycling down and up,
and giving guys like Boo, Fogarty, Meskanen some time with the coaches and the guys and NHL lifestyle and some NHL games

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Not at all. Chytil after working on his game is getting good minutes. Howden is a Quinn favorite. Anderson that pass he made to Lettieri last night, we'll see a lot more of that and some success once he plays with more skilled guys.

Quinn is not malicious or doesn't have an agenda. Every play he has scratched is now playing big minutes.

 

[offdacrossbar]

the kids make this team.... we arent ruining anyone.

i wouldn't send any of them to hartford at this point. period.

i would however send marc staal to pluto

 

[Ghost of jas]

the kids make this team.... we arent ruining anyone.

i wouldn't send any of them to hartford at this point. period.

i would however send marc staal to pluto

What makes you think Pluto will take him?

 

[CasusBelli]

No.

Ruining is a myth used to justify the wrong expectations.

Based on how the draft works, most current and future hall of famers had to start their careers on some of the ****tiest teams in "loser cultures" with the weight of the world on their shoulders, and they weren't ruined.

That is true when talking about so-caes generational talents, for sure, but even “solid” players have a learning curve. OV, Sid, McDavid, Karlsson and others have / would have succeeded on any team. Good, so called second-line, players probably require a bit more management / babysitting. At least that’s my take.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I would REALLY like to see Spooner get some time with Lettieri and Andersson.

Do you have any combos that you’d like to see with:

• Zucc
• Names
• Staal
• Smith
• Hayes
• McLeod

 

[egelband]

What makes you think Pluto will take him?

Depends if the Rangers are willing to retain.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

That is true when talking about so-caes generational talents, for sure, but even “solid” players have a learning curve. OV, Sid, McDavid, Karlsson and others have / would have succeeded on any team. Good, so called second-line, players probably require a bit more management / babysitting. At least that’s my take.

Yes , but the point still stands in a relative sense.

I’m not denying a team can’t polish a prospect, but in the end, the vast majority of prospects meet their potential wherever they end up.

Marc Savard is a pretty good example. He still became great after the Rangers "didn’t handle him well", and what knocked him off course [which was a damn shame] was the head injuries.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

Chytil I think is being ruined, he needs some time in AHL to solidify his game.

Andersson, not sure, playing a month in AHL was a good idea, but him not scoring anything in 5 games is a bit concerning. If he continues to struggle, maybe another month in AHL is a good idea instead of him losing confidence.

 

[kovazub94]

If the team was still coached under AV I might have thought differently but part of Quinn’s appeal has been his player development. At this point I’d probably use AHL only as a motivation against lackluster effort or for conditioning stints.

On a slightly different subject, at this point I want Chytil to first address one point: when to pass on (not a pun) entering the offensive zone by stickhandling through defensemen. He loses a fair share of possession this way, and while I admire the confidence I also see how well he could do by simply pushing the puck to the boards and then regaining possession.

 

[darko]

Nope.

 

[darko]

the kids make this team.... we arent ruining anyone.

i wouldn't send any of them to hartford at this point. period.

i would however send marc staal to pluto

Don't think Pluto takes him tbh.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Chytil I think is being ruined, he needs some time in AHL to solidify his game.

Andersson, not sure, playing a month in AHL was a good idea, but him not scoring anything in 5 games is a bit concerning. If he continues to struggle, maybe another month in AHL is a good idea instead of him losing confidence.

Chytil has been playing good so far at the nhl level

 

[True Blue]

Chytil I think is being ruined, he needs some time in AHL to solidify his game.

Absolutely. Looks completely overmatched. Send him down before more damage ensues.

 

[McRanger]

Yes , but the point still stands in a relative sense.

I’m not denying a team can’t polish a prospect, but in the end, the vast majority of prospects meet their potential wherever they end up.

Marc Savard is a pretty good example. He still became great after the Rangers didn’t handle him well, and what knocked him off course [which was a damn shame] was the head injuries.

The Rangers didn't mishandle Savard, his development was about as by the book as you get. He was a legit 2nd line center by the time he was traded.

Otherwise I mostly agree with you.

The Rangers accidentally screwed up a few prospects (Dube with his crazy conditioning stuff or sending Cherneski down to keep Fedyk when he freakishly blew out his knee or maybe overplaying Blackburn) but most of that was just bad luck.

The only prospect I've ever seen legitimately mishandled was Malhotra. If they thought he was going to have top 6 potential they should have left him in juniors to actually development some offense and not keep him on the team behind Gretzky Savard and eventually Nedved. Having him at the center of a tug of war between the coach and GM was one of the more crazy things I've seen.

Personally I never saw much offensive upside in Manny, so I have my doubts whether the Rangers actions had any really effect on his career trajectory, but he's the only prospect I can think was obviously mishandled or that you can make an argument was "ruined".

 

[Edge]

I don't get the impression we are ruining the kids.

I'm not seeing anything right now that would strike me as an "ah-ha" moment if didn't happen to pan out.

 

[haveandare]

I don't think so at all. Chytil played 20 something games with pretty low minutes, then stepped up into a big role with an injury and has been playing very well. I assume the same with happen with Lias either when another injury occurs or when players get moved. There seems to be this idea that a player should either be in the Ahl or scoring at a 50+ point pace in the NHL. I don't think it works that way with the vast majority of very young players. They can play some light minutes to adjust to the speed, physicality, etc and get a feel for how to practice, prepare and play like an NHLer before they're handed bigger minutes. That's fine in my opinion. If or when they come in and play great off the bat like Howden, sure, hand them big minutes. But that isn't what happens with most players. And that's ok.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

The Rangers didn't mishandle Savard, his development was about as by the book as you get. He was a legit 2nd line center by the time he was traded.

Otherwise I mostly agree with you.

The Rangers accidentally screwed up a few prospects (Dube with his crazy conditioning stuff or sending Cherneski down to keep Fedyk when he freakishly blew out his knee or maybe overplaying Blackburn) but most of that was just bad luck.

The only prospect I've ever seen legitimately mishandled was Malhotra. If they thought he was going to have top 6 potential they should have left him in juniors to actually development some offense and not keep him on the team behind Gretzky Savard and eventually Nedved. Having him at the center of a tug of war between the coach and GM was one of the more crazy things I've seen.

Personally I never saw much offensive upside in Manny, so I have my doubts whether the Rangers actions had any really effect on his career trajectory, but he's the only prospect I can think was obviously mishandled or that you can make an argument was "ruined".

I’m editing my post to put quotes around "didn’t handle him well". I left them out by accident, but my previous posts were pretty clear no one was mishandled/ruined. It’s all just mussing.

 

[effen]

Im really paying attention to Chytil and Lias A tonight. In my opinion they have no business being on this team. I feel that they are not ready for the NHL game yet. I’m also worried that we’re rushing them and it’s going to ruin their development. Am I in the minority or do you guys agree?

You are in the minority.
Young players often look like they don't belong, because they don't actually belong.
Part of the process for many of them is to learn on the job and look out of place for a while.

They're not being ruined. Some guys are destined to be great prospects who become pluggers. What makes or breaks guys is zone awareness and that's something you develop over time. It's not like skating where you can drill someone on edgework.

And I'm someone who has thought they should both have gone to the AHL this year, but for different reasons.