Speculation: Armchair GM 2024-25 Season, Craig Conroy's Can Do Calgary Flames

[Ledge And Dairy]

No. The reality is there isn't 1 way to build a team. Full stop. That does not make the opposing view to yours "flawed"


No, it's a conflicting opinion to that of people who cheer for losses... which we've been told by mods is acceptable... despite how f***ing stupid it is

So your issue is people cheering for losses? Very few people here do and anyone who is actively doing so is not a genuine fan.

I am on team tank but when I sit down and watch the games I am absolutely cheering for the Flames to win every time.

The difference is despite cheering for them I know there is clearly not enough talent on this roster and our pipeline doesn't have anyone besides Zayne that can probably provide that top end talent. It's why I'm also in favor of trading for Cozens, EP40, or Zegras. We need someone who has 1C potential if we want any chance at a cup. We nearly went 3 games without scoring a goal, you can talk all you want about how getting in will give the young guys experience but that means nothing when we can't get the talent needed to win a cup

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Carlo… only if we trade Rasmus for a steal of a deal does that make any sense. This team can’t score, not sure how Carlo helps that issue

 

[DomBarr]

A playoff race is great for development of Wolf, Coronato, Zary, Bahl, Pospisil and Pachal (I think there is more to him since it's his first opportunity to play every night at this level and teh defensive game can always grow)... learning to play important games is good, even if you aren't immediately successful.

If the team loses, they lose, I never expected the team to do this well this year. But this whole "team tank" is utter f***ing garbage and reeks of people that hate watch things just to complain and tell the internet how they'd do a better job.

Us cheering for the players on our team doesn't affect the outcome of the game. Whining on the internet about teh team winning more games than expected doesn't change the Flames plan. So why be miserable instead of trying to enjoy what's in front of us? This is supposed to be entertainment for us.

The current management group has a plan, they are going to stick to it. That plan is maximum effort, add pieces that will help for years to come, move out out players that will be leaving and add prospects and draft capital.

I am not a true "Team Tank" as I do not want the team to sell off all the vets for futures and leave the kids to figure it out.
But this team has issues which will NOT be solved by trading picks and prospects for another middle 6 center, winger or mid-pair left shot dman regardless of age nor will they be solved by extending 29/30 YO players to max term contracts.

 

[Lunatik]

You know it's a great position when you have to resort to calling people "f***ing stupid" instead of making counter points.

I said the opinion was f***ing stupid. There is a significant difference, absolutely anyone of any intelligence can have a stupid opinion.

So your issue is people cheering for losses? Very few people here do and anyone who is actively doing so is not a genuine fan.

I am on team tank but when I sit down and watch the games I am absolutely cheering for the Flames to win every time.

To me that's not "team tank"... that sounds like where I am, accepting we aren't a good team but cheering for them anyways because I love the team

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Weegar Ras Pach Miro Parekh Brz Mews Grush all on the right side already Craig.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I said the opinion was f***ing stupid. There is a significant difference, absolutely anyone of any intelligence can have a stupid opinion.


To me that's not "team tank"... that sounds like where I am, accepting we aren't a good team but cheering for them anyways because I love the team

Ok but you are arguing with people here about it. I accept that this team is bad. I think the best way to fix that is another top 10 pick and we are only 2 points out of that. I don't get upset when the team loses, but I do cheer when they score. I am not in favour of re-signing Ras despite how much I love him as player, as I don't think he fits our timeline well at all.

The way I view it is don't complain about wins but be rational. Maybe you are just being Devil's advocate but the "playoff experience" you are trying to argue for is imo pretty meaningless. This team will get slaughtered by Winnipeg in round 1.

 

[Lunatik]

Weegar Ras Pach Miro Parekh Brz Mews Grush all on the right side already Craig.

• Weegar plays both and would likely be paired with Carlo.
• Ras may be moved as early as this summer.
• Pachal is an average 3rd pair guy at best.
• Miro is hot f***ing garbage and anything that keeps him further from teh ice is a good idea.
• Parekh if he makes it will be playing sheltered 3rd pairing minutes, Carlo would be top 4, likely with Weegar.
• Brzustewicz is likely to spend at least 1 more year in the AHL
• Mews is at least 2 more years (more likrly 3-4) away and Carlo has 2 years left.
• Grushnikov is a natural LD

I'm not saying we should target Carlo, but this idea we shouldn't because we have too many RD is an utter fallacy.

 

[Lunatik]

Ok but you are arguing with people here about it. I accept that this team is bad. I think the best way to fix that is another top 10 pick and we are only 2 points out of that. I don't get upset when the team loses, but I do cheer when they score. I am not in favour of re-signing Ras despite how much I love him as player, as I don't think he fits our timeline well at all.

The way I view it is don't complain about wins but be rational. Maybe you are just being Devil's advocate but the "playoff experience" you are trying to argue for is imo pretty meaningless. This team will get slaughtered by Winnipeg in round 1.

There are people complaining about wins, they complain about winning games years later because "what if", that's the people I have an issue with. Hell in the GDT yesterday there was actually someone more or less cheering for Farabee to be injured.

This was my post that got people debating... while we may view the importance of learning to play in important games differently, from what you've said it sounds like we are mostly on the same page.

A playoff race is great for development of Wolf, Coronato, Zary, Bahl, Pospisil and Pachal (I think there is more to him since it's his first opportunity to play every night at this level and teh defensive game can always grow)... learning to play important games is good, even if you aren't immediately successful.

If the team loses, they lose, I never expected the team to do this well this year. But this whole "team tank" is utter f***ing garbage and reeks of people that hate watch things just to complain and tell the internet how they'd do a better job.

Us cheering for the players on our team doesn't affect the outcome of the game. Whining on the internet about teh team winning more games than expected doesn't change the Flames plan. So why be miserable instead of trying to enjoy what's in front of us? This is supposed to be entertainment for us.

The current management group has a plan, they are going to stick to it. That plan is maximum effort, add pieces that will help for years to come, move out out players that will be leaving and add prospects and draft capital.

 

[Kielbasa]

I said the opinion was f***ing stupid. There is a significant difference, absolutely anyone of any intelligence can have a stupid opinion.


To me that's not "team tank"... that sounds like where I am, accepting we aren't a good team but cheering for them anyways because I love the team

You're missing my point, what I'm saying is that the Flames have to be worse before they can be better in a meaningful way. That I'm willing to grit my teeth a watch a couple of shitty seasons if that means being able to draft a proper 1C prospect for once.

On the current trajectory, I expect the next ten years to look a lot like the last 20. I would rather watch a bad team for a few years if it gives the Flames a shot a being a contender or a while. Sounds better than yet another gentleman's sweep in the first round.

 

[DomBarr]

What do you guys think about this?

bleccchhhh...the only reason to do that is if Andersson is getting traded. The right side D is not the issue currently or going forward.

 

[Khrox]

• Parekh if he makes it will be playing sheltered 3rd pairing minutes, Carlo would be top 4, likely with Weegar.

If Parekh makes the team, I assume they probably pair him with Weegar primarily (Parekh getting third pairing minutes but sheltered with Weegs to help him adapt to the pro game, Weegar probably still plays second/first pairing minutes with a second partner as well)

 

[joescores]

You know it's a great position when you have to resort to calling people "f***ing stupid" instead of making counter points.

I don't like to watch the Flames lose as much as the next guy. The inconvenient truth is that this league is designed for teams to go through boom/bust cycles bc of the zero sum draft system that rewards the worst with the best talents. If you want to go fight the tide, go right ahead, but it seems ill advised to me.

The are infinite ways to build a team, what I pointing out is most of the teams that have won cups were built around teams core talents taken high in the draft. What I'm pointing out is maybe the Flames not having a top 15 centre in the league for the past three decades and the Flames almost never drafting high is connected.

Just ignore him and save your energy. Go to your profile and set it up. He can't help himself.

 

[Lunatik]

You're missing my point, what I'm saying is that the Flames have to be worse before they can be better in a meaningful way. That I'm willing to grit my teeth a watch a couple of shitty seasons if that means being able to draft a proper 1C prospect for once.

On the current trajectory, I expect the next ten years to look a lot like the last 20. I would rather watch a bad team for a few years if it gives the Flames a shot a being a contender or a while. Sounds better than yet another gentleman's sweep in the first round.

No, I get your point, you clearly seen to be incapable of grasping mine, you're literally arguing shit I've never said.

I'm not saying the Flames should go out and spend assets or anything to get decent fast. In fact, the post that started all this I outright stated I expected them to be bad. I argued until I was blue in teh face this team would be bottom 5 this year.

But there is a big difference between expecting the team to be bad and accepting that, and cheering against the team.

I'm just saying fans cheer for their team. FULL STOP.

When it comes to asset management, if you are clamoring to trade guys away to intentionally get worse (I'm not saying you are), all I have to ask is... why? It's never going to happen. The only good players we will see moved are ones that are nearing contract expiration. People that expect more than that to happen and being upset about that are literally only making themselves miserable.

As fans we have zero power in how the team is run, so all we can do it hope for the best regardless of whether or not we would do the same thing if we had power. If someone can't do that, why are they even calling themselves a fan?

If Parekh makes the team, I assume they probably pair him with Weegar primarily (Parekh getting third pairing minutes but sheltered with Weegs to help him adapt to the pro game, Weegar probably still plays second/first pairing minutes with a second partner as well)

I highly doubt that, they will want to give him soft minutes, at least to start the season.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If Parekh makes the team, I assume they probably pair him with Weegar primarily (Parekh getting third pairing minutes but sheltered with Weegs to help him adapt to the pro game, Weegar probably still plays second/first pairing minutes with a second partner as well)

If Parekh makes the team he will probably be playing 18+ minutes a night pretty early on. I think he does make it and the offense he will provide will make a big difference pretty quickly.

 

[Lunatik]

Walker Duehr back on waivers today.

I assume we put in a claim so we can send him to the Wranglers if no one else does.