Are we in Canada paranoid about 2026 or should we not be worried?

NyQuil

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Canada has relied on Quebec for decades to keep us up for goaltending.

Since 1950 when Billy Smith was born, Anglo-Canada has produced only four HHOF goaltenders.

Grant Fuhr (1962)
Mike Vernon (1963)
Ed Belfour (1965)
Carey Price (1987)

The last HHOF goalie produced in Ontario was born 74 years ago. The best since then is what, Curtis Joseph and Mike Smith?

Since that time, Quebec produced Patrick Roy, Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo, Marc Andre-Fleury, and Jose Theodore.

When Quebec fell off, it illuminated how weak Anglo-Canada has been for 50% of hockey's history.

Keep in mind that those 5 Anglo-Canadian HHoF goalies born since 1950 make up the highest proportion of the total number of goalies in the HHoF born since 1950.

Quebec has actually only produced 3.

The remaining 3 include 1 Czech, 1 American and 1 Swede.

There just aren't that many goalies in the HHoF.
 
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2026 and crosby really? Guys gunna be like 50. I'd prefer they take someone else
Honestly at the rate these young bucks are developing, Crosby might be 1 of 2 forwards over the age of 31 at 2026 and that’s just fine by me considering Crosby is Crosby. Aging like fine wine.
 
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Next season is huge for how Canada will look like for the 2026 Olympics. I want to see those jumps from the 50-70 point range to the 90+ point range from players like Bedard, Laf, Johnston, Suzuki, Jarvis, Byfield and Kyrou.

Will love to see Fantilli keep developing and it’s Celebrini’s rookie season

2025 will determine how the future of Canada will ultimately look like
 
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Why does Thomas Harley (plays for Canada internationally) never get any notice / love?

22 years old, 6'4", his stats in 2023-2024 were terrific. He had as many points as McAvoy (who everyone is in awe of) but, unlike McAvoy who was a +4, Harley was a +28.

Help me understand because I'd rather have him out there than Rielly.

So what is his deal? I had to look up when he played for Canada, but he did with the 2021 WJC team. He's born in Syracuse, NY, but plays for Canada? Why is that? Was he raised in Canada?
 

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Next season is huge for how Canada will look like for the 2026 Olympics. I want to see those jumps from the 50-70 point range to the 90+ point range from players like Bedard, Laf, Johnston, Suzuki, Jarvis, Byfield and Kyrou.

Will love to see Fantilli keep developing and it’s Celebrini’s rookie season

2025 will determine how the future of Canada will ultimately look like
I think Laf had the 2nd most even strength points on the Rangers this year. Obviously behind Panarin. But he's poised to hit that next gear. Probably happens next year. 90-100 points is what I would expect with normal power play time. He's earned it.

He wants to win.

There has to be a reason why. He has to have citizenship to Canada or something.
 
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So what is his deal? I had to look up when he played for Canada, but he did with the 2021 WJC team. He's born in Syracuse, NY, but plays for Canada? Why is that? Was he raised in Canada?
Be happy he plays for us because he looks terrific...


" When speaking of the decision, Harley stated that while his family lived in New York, he was raised as a Canadian."
 

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He wants to win.
Harley's a big talented kid (he's 22) who just had a breakout year. He's playing a lot of minutes against Colorado in Round 2.

Not sure who's is charge of drafting in Dallas, but he's done one hell of a job - the team is loaded with high end prospects.
 
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So what is his deal? I had to look up when he played for Canada, but he did with the 2021 WJC team. He's born in Syracuse, NY, but plays for Canada? Why is that? Was he raised in Canada?
You're talking about Harley? He's born and raised in the United States but his parents are Canadian. My memory from those WJC is that he talked about growing up in a very "pro-Canada" household and only considered playing for Canada. For all intents and purposes he is an American product but as a dual citizen he became eligible for Canada because he chose the OHL route.
 

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You're talking about Harley? He's born and raised in the United States but his parents are Canadian. My memory from those WJC is that he talked about growing up in a very "pro-Canada" household and only considered playing for Canada. For all intents and purposes he is an American product but as a dual citizen he became eligible for Canada because he chose the OHL route.

Ah okay. So Tyler Myers without actually being raised partially in Canada then?

I never liked what Deadmarsh did to Canada either playing for the U.S. I guess in his case he never makes Canada either, but that sort of stuff always bugs me. Trottier played for USA in 1984 for some reason too. Born and raised in Canada.
 

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Ah okay. So Tyler Myers without actually being raised partially in Canada then?

I never liked what Deadmarsh did to Canada either playing for the U.S. I guess in his case he never makes Canada either, but that sort of stuff always bugs me. Trottier played for USA in 1984 for some reason too. Born and raised in Canada.

We've had transplants in other sports so it doesn't really bother me as much as it used to.
 

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Ah okay. So Tyler Myers without actually being raised partially in Canada then?

I never liked what Deadmarsh did to Canada either playing for the U.S. I guess in his case he never makes Canada either, but that sort of stuff always bugs me. Trottier played for USA in 1984 for some reason too. Born and raised in Canada.
Yes. Canada's done well when it comes to the born in one country, play for another, U.S.-Canada, thing.
 

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Ah okay. So Tyler Myers without actually being raised partially in Canada then?

I never liked what Deadmarsh did to Canada either playing for the U.S. I guess in his case he never makes Canada either, but that sort of stuff always bugs me. Trottier played for USA in 1984 for some reason too. Born and raised in Canada.
More than Myers really. As far as I know Harley exclusively lived in the United States until he was 16 (Myers moved at 12 I think) but unlike Myers both parents are Canadian, which isn't a factor I care about. There are some egregious ones over time, Harley included. Deadmarsh playing for USA was fairly ridiculous. Trottier playing for USA was only possible because the Canada Cup wasn't under IIHF rules. Jason Pominville playing for USA, which I recall he didn't know he was eligible for and had never considered until USA noticed his mother was Canadian, was bad. Canada also used Peter Stastny at the 1984 Canada Cup, but again that wasn't under IIHF rules.

These things happen. Canada can be very bad for it in other sports. I am grateful that hockey at least has stricter rules than many other sports, but the rules should be stricter.
 

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More than Myers really. As far as I know Harley exclusively lived in the United States until he was 16 (Myers moved at 12 I think) but unlike Myers both parents are Canadian, which isn't a factor I care about. There are some egregious ones over time, Harley included. Deadmarsh playing for USA was fairly ridiculous. Trottier playing for USA was only possible because the Canada Cup wasn't under IIHF rules. Jason Pominville playing for USA, which I recall he didn't know he was eligible for and had never considered until USA noticed his mother was Canadian, was bad. Canada also used Peter Stastny at the 1984 Canada Cup, but again that wasn't under IIHF rules.

These things happen. Canada can be very bad for it in other sports. I am grateful that hockey at least has stricter rules than many other sports, but the rules should be stricter.

I'll be honest, I never liked the Stastny thing in 1984 either. I am glad it was Bossy and Coffey teaming up for that overtime goal and not Stastny, because that would have caused chaos. I like Stastny obviously, and he could bring a lot to a team, but he was down the depth chart that year for Canada. I get that Trottier wasn't on Team Canada so perhaps the next best is Stastny, but they wouldn't have been much different had Savard been there instead of him. Or Hawerchuk. I never liked them picking the transplanted guys.
 

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Are we really trying to worry about something that's 2 years away? Alot can happen in 2 years. You never know who emerges and who falters. Life goes on. It's inevitable that the quality of competition will challenge the hierarchy in this sport, just as it has in most sports. USA is not a shoo in to win every basketball tourney vs the world's with a points margin that avgs +50 a game. Lol.

Think they'll be fine. I mean we lived through the nagano debacle, this can't be worse lol
 
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I'll be honest, I never liked the Stastny thing in 1984 either. I am glad it was Bossy and Coffey teaming up for that overtime goal and not Stastny, because that would have caused chaos. I like Stastny obviously, and he could bring a lot to a team, but he was down the depth chart that year for Canada. I get that Trottier wasn't on Team Canada so perhaps the next best is Stastny, but they wouldn't have been much different had Savard been there instead of him. Or Hawerchuk. I never liked them picking the transplanted guys.
Best NOT to look a gift horse in the mouth. Just be glad he plays for us.
 

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dual citizen he became eligible for Canada because he chose the OHL route.
He was eligible to play for Canada because of the dual citizenship, not because of the OHL route. But yeah dual-citizenship can get you into other countries teams. You see it a LOT with Canadians who play in the KHL, because if they play there for I believe 2/4 years (the rules are a bit weird, but there's situations where they can get recognized in 2 years instead of 4 which is the standard), you can represent other countries. I think the 2018/19 Chinese Men's team was like 1/3 Canadians with dual citizenship, Kazakhstan has also had quite a few Canadians there, and Belarus has had a couple too.

I think the reason this stands out so much is that it's not often people with dual citizenship who weren't born in Canada actually choose to represent Canada (because it's significantly harder to make our team compared to where a lot of these guys have their other citizenship).
 

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Connor Ingram is an underrated candidate for Canada in 2026.

Agree 100%. 0 chance I'm considering Skinner over him. Might even take him over Binnington tbh, and then who's the other candidate? Hill? Meh.

Its probably those 3 for the job, and whoevers playing best coming in gets the first opportunity (unless I'm forgetting someone obvious).
 

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He was eligible to play for Canada because of the dual citizenship, not because of the OHL route. But yeah dual-citizenship can get you into other countries teams. You see it a LOT with Canadians who play in the KHL, because if they play there for I believe 2/4 years (the rules are a bit weird, but there's situations where they can get recognized in 2 years instead of 4 which is the standard), you can represent other countries. I think the 2018/19 Chinese Men's team was like 1/3 Canadians with dual citizenship, Kazakhstan has also had quite a few Canadians there, and Belarus has had a couple too.

I think the reason this stands out so much is that it's not often people with dual citizenship who weren't born in Canada actually choose to represent Canada (because it's significantly harder to make our team compared to where a lot of these guys have their other citizenship).
No, if he didn't go the OHL route he would not be eligible. Dual citizens have to have played in the country that they want to represent for a certain amount of time. I don't believe Harley ever played in Canada until he played in the OHL, so he needed those years.
 

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A buddy of mine and I did a mock list of the 2026 Canadian Olympic team. I will say one thing, when Canada had 50-60% of the NHLers instead of, say, 40-45% they do in 2024 the names rolled off of your tongue a little easier. But we still put together a pretty good team for Canada in 2026:

Hyman-McDavid-Marner
Byfield-MacKinnon-Point
Reinhart-Bedard-Stamkos
Marchand-Crosby-Stone
Suzuki/Barzal

Toews-Makar
Theodore-Pietrangelo
Rielly-Bouchard
Dobson-Power

Hill
Jarry
Binnington/Skinner
(Hart, we'll see how things work out for him)


The names aren't really up for debate so much, we all do this on other threads, but it is just a bit of a base for you to see. Things can change, Lafreniere could really bust out, as could another draftee from 2020-'23 like Fantilli or so other names. To be honest there are a lot coming up the pipe right now where we are in a bit of a transition seeing some of the old guard leaving. It is hard to imagine some of them Olympians today, but in 2 years I think so.

But we both sort of felt that perhaps 10, 15, 20 years ago the names would have come easier for us to think about. You look at the defense of the 2002 team and it is incredible. 2010 had a wicked defense, 2014 did, 2016 did. Players like Letang never got on these teams. Even in net when Roy backed out in 2002 we had Brodeur, Joseph and Belfour. No problems there. Also there were legit guys like Burke, Potvin, Luongo, Theodore, Turco and even Osgood who could have easily been a legit 3rd stringer.

Now, with all of that being said, once we started comparing the Canadian roster to the ones of other countries there was a lot more optimism. Sweden, Czech and Finland all have plenty of holes in their rosters and don't have the star power or depth of Canada. Russia I personally hope is back to playing as it is not the same without them, but as usual their defense is suspect at best, and I was surprised that their forwards weren't as dangerous of a group as I thought they might be. As for goaltending, no contest for them. They beat any other country hands down with this. Vasi, Shesterkin and Bobrovsky are better than any of our best. But the team in front of them wouldn't be able to handle Canada's firepower.

That leaves the U.S. team, and a team that I will admit is closing the gap. The Americans' goalies trump ours. But our forwards are deeper and definitely have more high end to them. Imagine having McDavid, MacKinnon, Bedard and even Crosby as the lines you can roll down the middle. Imagine not finding room for Scheifele (although he could make it), Marchand (perhaps) and others. Marchand could be too old by then and not able to keep up, but there are plenty coming down the pipe that are replacing him. Even the defense, I think we have the best defense out of anyone, even the U.S. I think it relies heavily on Makar for instance and we don't have another guy like him, but who does? I like Quinn Hughes on the U.S. but I still take Makar.

Bottom line what I am saying is we as Canadians get this feeling that things are over for us. I don't know why, but we always do. And yet every other country would kill to have that roster and would freak out to be playing against that group of forwards and mobile defense on the back end. All of our goalies are good capable goalies, maybe not Vezina winners, but there won't be a shortage of at least good goalies to choose from. That's all we need.

The 2023 draft was Canadian-laden, the 2024 draft especially in the 1st round is at least half Canadians, and the 2020-'23 drafts have been loaded with talent that will be on these teams. Players we aren't thinking about yet too.

So do we get paranoid in Canada over this stuff too much? Not that we can't improve our program or anything but do we worry about it too much? I can already name for sure at least 10 players on that Canadian team destined for the Hall of Fame.
I think the days are gone where Canada can play blindfolded and get to the finals. That roster looks good, but it's got a "boys club" vibe for me; bunch of big names that may be at the end of their careers by 2026. I think there will be what... 4-5 players over 36 in there by then?

I also think we are at a point where we need to think about who will do what roles. This lineup is probably going to look a lot the same in 2 years, with a few exceptions that pop up (or retirements?). Look at it and ask yourself; who is your top 6 for powerplay? Who in the people left do you use on PK? Marchand-Crosby-Stone seems ok for Defensive missions. Who else?

I wouldnt say we are paranoid; its mostly that the level of play is evening out and Canada winning is not a given. There wil be deception and hard comings to reality, but i think the times we do win will be more meaningful. Really the only real question mark i have is around goaltending.
 

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This isn’t the first time we’ve had a bit of a navel gazing exercise regarding Canadian hockey.

When Gretzky and Lemieux were gone, and the best we could muster was Thornton and Iginla, Canadians openly wondered where the next superstars were coming from.

Then we had Crosby, and as he got a bit older, we got McDavid and MacKinnon, and now it’s Bedard and McKenna.

The future appears sound up front, and while our D looked sparse for a little bit as Doughty and Co. aged, Makar came along.

Goaltending is as weak as it’s ever been comparatively speaking but I don’t know how much of it is a function of the higher scoring era and how much of it is a lack of good goaltenders.

For virtually my entire life, Canada has usually has the edge in goal so it’s a bit jarring to be potentially worse than our rivals. Is this just the minor gap like Iginla and Thornton, or a symptom of something else?

Not sure, but rumours of our demise are not new and usually exaggerated.
 

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