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Are we a wagon

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Be a “wagon” in April/May/June, that’s all that matters. Being a “wagon” now only to veer off the road and fall off a cliff come the playoffs means nothing.
 
Not at all.

We're a fast car with rust spots, a couple spare tires with an engine that knocks, that somehow manages to stick around more often than not.
 
A waggin'?

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Mr Bill Waters said:
Despite Tre, I believe we are a wagon. We are gonna ride roughshod over this league. All we have to do is protect ourselves from saddle sores.
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Why 'despite Tre' instead of 'thanks to Tre'?

"Ride roughshod" means riding a horse, so I'm not sure what the wagon reference is, and of course if you're in a wagon you won't get saddle sores, and the horse(s) wouldn't be wearing saddles anyway.

Other than that, no, the wagon is more likely to be driven over the cliff in the wake of the 18-wheelers.
 
Apex Predator said:
Our best players were brought in by Lou and Burke. Do they get some credit if the team succeeds?
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No they weren't. Any player not brought in by Dubas is a totally useless loser and the only reason we haven't won the Cup each of the last five years.

Lou and Burke deliberately sabotaged the team.
 
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The NHL f@cked up. They should have taken advantage of the Leafs when they were down. BUT now that the Leafs are starting to get healthy .... its over for the Atlantic and the Eastern Conference.

If you couldn't beat the Leafs with 3 AHL dmen, a 3rd string goalie, and chemistry issues up front, you WILL NEVER BEAT THE MAPLE LEAFS.

Go Leafs GO!
 
"Wagon" is legitimate hockey terminology. Basically means you're good but in a matter of fact way. Like Datsyuk dangling on the boards. Guys a wagon.

My cousin is 16 and even his coach says "those two are a wagon together" about the top 2 players on his team.

Nothing you can do about it. The word is here to stay. It's used heavy by the new generation coming up.
 
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My son play hockey. All I hear in locker room from those kids "yo that guy is a f***ing wagon"
 
This team is a wagon all right.

It's on fire and being circled. If they fail again it would be foolhardy to continue with this same core. Some would argue it already is.

Some would say it's downright stupid.

This is professional sports. Winning is everything. If I just wanted to be entertained and not care about the outcome I'd watch wrestling.

I'm sorry but I don't have a loser mentality that allows me to accept athletes expecting people to pay for the honour of cheering for them to make millions of dollars to play a game and lose.

Some people, like Tanenbaum, Shanahan, and a few fans with fat wallets and empty heads, do. If that makes them a better person than me then by all means they should wear that badge with great pride. Because only a fan like me would watch this firewagon for all these years and call it entertainment.

I could only imagine paying for the honour of watching them burn.
 
When fans asked for a team with grit, toughness, piss and vinegar etc. this is what they meant. This is what we're seeing that people asked for.

To the ones who pretended not to understand and posted stuff like "oh let's trade Matthews for Colton Orr" or "let's just have a team full of goons" this team is what people have been crying out for.

It isn't the finished article. There's a couple more good players with toughness needed to be added, but this is the closest version we've seen in nearly a decade.
 
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All Mod Cons said:
When fans asked for a team with grit, toughness, piss and vinegar etc. this is what they meant. This is what we're seeing that people asked for.

To the ones who pretended not to understand and posted stuff like "oh let's trade Matthews for Colton Orr" or "let's just have a team full of goons" this team is what people have been crying out for.

It isn't the finished article. There's a couple more good players with toughness needed to be added, but this is the closest version we've seen in nearly a decade.
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I think it's mostly a mindset thing.

I will run you over on my way to the front of the net if I have too.
You better not touch our goalie or there will be a pack of us ready to go after you.
It doesn't matter which type of game you want to play (high scoring, low scoring, physical, dirty etc), we're ready for anything.

When people say we need to get tougher, it doesn't even just mean "fights" and "da hitz".

It's the willingness to basically do whatever it takes to win and take no crap from the other team while also dishing it out.

I think that's what you're starting to see more out of from this group the past month or so and I think when you develop this team mindset, its much easier to consistently show up and play a intense/hard working 60 minute game.
 
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I have 2 teenage sons, both over 6’1 and 220+lbs gym rats.

I am a grocery store /clothing depot and fear if I stop moving I will be eaten.

……. These Leafs? A wagon? Based on what Treliving has built, more like:

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weems said:
I think it's mostly a mindset thing.

I will run you over on my way to the front of the net if I have too.
You better not touch our goalie or there will be a pack of us ready to go after you.
It doesn't matter which type of game you want to play (high scoring, low scoring, physical, dirty etc), we're ready for anything.

When people say we need to get tougher, it doesn't even just mean "fights" and "da hitz".

It's the willingness to basically do whatever it takes to win and take no crap from the other team while also dishing it out.

I think that's what you're starting to see more out of from this group the past month or so.
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The bolded is the most important. Stick up for each other, not just the goalie, but every single player on the team. A group of individuals will never win the cup, you need a team to do that. After Marchand took out Liljegren and nobody stood up for him, I lost all hope I ever had for this group. Since then, Domi and Knies have both stood up for their teammates, that gives me some hope. That's all it is for now though, hope - I'm a long way from being confident that this bunch is prepared to do what it takes.

What I'd really like to see is just one time, Matthews be the one who slugs somebody. If he leads, everyone else just might follow. I mean I love what Domi and Knies did but they're not the leaders of this team so I'm not sure that's enough. We'll see.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
The bolded is the most important. Stick up for each other, not just the goalie, but every single player on the team. A group of individuals will never win the cup, you need a team to do that. After Marchand took out Liljegren and nobody stood up for him, I lost all hope I ever had for this group. Since then, Domi and Knies have both stood up for their teammates, that gives me some hope. That's all it is for now though, hope - I'm a long way from being confident that this bunch is prepared to do what it takes.

What I'd really like to see is just one time, Matthews be the one who slugs somebody. If he leads, everyone else just might follow. I mean I love what Domi and Knies did but they're not the leaders of this team so I'm not sure that's enough. We'll see.
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Yep I agree with your feelings about the Marchand sequence and in the moment it didn't feel great as a fan to again see such limited response but in hindsight that might have given Keefe/Treliving the ammunition to really go at the group and call some things out. This shift in attitude also has to be team wide and adopted by every player not just relying on some 4th liners to bring this intensity.

Now the challenge is playing like this on a regular basis month in month out. We just did it for a nice sample of games but this also comes after a very poor start to the season so consistency needs to be shown here for it to be a serious factor.
 
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weems said:
Yep I agree with your feelings about the Marchand sequence and in the moment it didn't feel great as a fan to again see such limited response but in hindsight that might have given Keefe/Treliving the ammunition to really go at the group and call some things out. This shift in attitude also has to be team wide and adopted by every player not just relying on some 4th liners to bring this intensity.

Now the challenge is playing like this on a regular basis month in month out. We just did it for a nice sample of games but this also comes after a very poor start to the season so consistency needs to be shown here for it to be a serious factor.
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Yeah I'm so used to this team getting pushed around, ever since Kadri left there's been no pushback to speak of from anyone no matter what happens. Domi and Knies, those were the first positive signs but like you said so perfectly with the bolded part - we need everyone on board!

And yes we need to be able to perform consistently. The playoffs are a brutal 2 month grind, can't get through that without the knowledge that everyone is working together, picking each other up, backing each other up etc.

Anyone that's played the game knows that knowing that everyone on your team has your back makes you bigger, stronger and allows you to play with the kind of confidence that would not exist without that feeling. I've gone from having zero hope to having at least some hope, we'll see what happens.
 
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A wagon in December is a freezer in April.

Isn't that the saying?
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
This team is a wagon all right.

It's on fire and being circled. If they fail again it would be foolhardy to continue with this same core. Some would argue it already is.

Some would say it's downright stupid.

This is professional sports. Winning is everything. If I just wanted to be entertained and not care about the outcome I'd watch wrestling.

I'm sorry but I don't have a loser mentality that allows me to accept athletes expecting people to pay for the honour of cheering for them to make millions of dollars to play a game and lose.

Some people, like Tanenbaum, Shanahan, and a few fans with fat wallets and empty heads, do. If that makes them a better person than me then by all means they should wear that badge with great pride. Because only a fan like me would watch this firewagon for all these years and call it entertainment.

I could only imagine paying for the honour of watching them burn.
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It's entertaining in the same way watching the Washington Generals play is entertaining. Just don't expect them to win.
 
Jamason said:
It's entertaining in the same way watching the Washington Generals play is entertaining. Just don't expect them to win.
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They're fun to watch.

I'll give them that much. So long as you don't hold on to certain expectations. Like watching them stand up for themselves or each other and winning in the playoffs.

Lower standards results in less disappointment.
 
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