Are the Oilers a top 5 contender next season with Jack Campbell?

[The90]

Leafs still have bad goaltending.

I also love how many leaf fans were calling for Campbell to win a Vezina in the first half of last season

And the second half? He legit played like a vezina goalie for almost half a season.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

I don't put them in the top "contender" status with COL and a few others, but getting there if they can still get another top 4 damn sometime and Campbell gives them above average goaltending.

And the second half? He legit played like a vezina goalie for almost half a season.

I will take a guy who plays like a Vezina for a few months then average.

Still makes for a great year and anything can happen in the playoffs. Being able to actually play like a vezina goalie is not a bad thing...

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Leafs had bad goaltending
Oilers think they are going to get good goaltending?

And their goaltending just got worse this year...

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't put them in the top "contender" status with COL and a few others, but getting there if they can still get another top 4 damn sometime and Campbell gives them above average goaltending.


I will take a guy who plays like a Vezina for a few months then average.

Still makes for a great year and anything can happen in the playoffs. Being able to actually play like a vezina goalie is not a bad thing...

Really there are only 2 truly top contenders in Colorado and Tampa. Someone saying Oilers could be top 5 isn't really saying much. Winning the division would be enough to be in that running.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Really there are only 2 truly top contenders in Colorado and Tampa. Someone saying Oilers could be top 5 isn't really saying much. Winning the division would be enough to be in that running.

Yup, I only see those 2 as the true contenders. I don't see any other team that is some big contender, Edmonton included.

 

[La Bamba]

Torontos D is significantly stronger than Edmontons, like not close. They were a top 5 D almost the entire season last year. More depth as well, it's not a 2 man show. Our goaltending couldn't be worse if Murray tried to score on our own net. Campbell was really bad for us after January, we had the worst svp in the entire league since January. He was mediocre in the playoffs, not great but not horrible either.

I don't wanna derail and turn this into a Toronto thread so I'll leave it at that. Dude is really this salty because I said Edmonton is a top 6-10 team in the league and not top 5, chill out lol. You have Nurse and that's it, the rest of the blue line is god awful. I mean if you think they're a top 5 team in the league cool, I just don't and I highlighted the reasons why. Blue line issues, no scoring depth, inconsistent goaltending.

I don't really care about how you rank the Oilers, I just think it's hilarious how you think Toronto is top 5 after you criticize the Oilers for having weak D and terrible goaltending which is literally what Toronto has right now lmao. very delusional

also, why would I be salty? it's not like the oilers have been dumped in the 1st round for 6ix straight seasons with the same core and haven't won a playoff around in over 2 decades

 

[powerbomb]

Congrats on one of the 5 dumbest posts of the year.

The man's 61; how's he gonna help?

PS: it's an honor!

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

I don't really care about how you rank the Oilers, I just think it's hilarious how you think Toronto is top 5 after you criticize the Oilers for having weak D and terrible goaltending which is literally what Toronto has right now lmao. very delusional

also, why would I be salty? it's not like the oilers have been dumped in the 1st round for 6ix straight seasons with the same core and haven't won a playoff around in over 2 decades

Toronto - 252 GA
Edmonton 251 GA

And Toronto had Vezina tending for the first 2/3 months

Dat Toronto D is sure like MTL dynasty level compared to Edmontons lol. They actually let in one more goal than Edmonton last year. Wowzersss

Even with some "bad goaltending", that EDM also got, if your D is THAT much better, it should have allowed much less goals than Edmontons "crappy" D

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

A generational defense? What on Earth are you talking about?

i think he is talking about the Leafs generational D that allowed more goals in their net than Edmonton did last year LOL

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

No. Anyone thinking as much is delusional.

 

[La Bamba]

Toronto - 252 GA
Edmonton 251 GA

And Toronto had Vezina tending for the first 2/3 months

Dat Toronto D is sure like MTL dynasty level compared to Edmontons lol. They actually let in one more goal than Edmonton last year. Wowzersss

Even with some "bad goaltending", that EDM also got, if your D is THAT much better, it should have allowed much less goals than Edmontons "crappy" D

Rielly <--> Nurse
Brodie <---> Ceci
Muzzin <---> Bouchard
Holl <---> Kulak
Giordano <---> Barrie
Liljegren <---> Broberg
Sandin <---> Murray

idk if I'm missing something but how is Toronto's D 'significantly' better, what is that other guy seeing lol

the Oilers are a younger group and have nice upside with Bouchard and Broberg. Leafs have a broken Muzzin and a geriatric Gio

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

No. Anyone thinking as much is delusional.

They are at the top in the next 6-10 tier to me. Class of the Pacific. Easy division win. They will also upgrade by the deadline. Gunna be DEADLY

Rielly <--> Nurse
Brodie <---> Ceci
Muzzin <---> Bouchard
Holl <---> Kulak
Giordano <---> Barrie
Liljegren <---> Broberg
Sandin <---> Murray

idk if I'm missing something but how is Toronto's D 'significantly' better, what is that other guy seeing lol

the Oilers are a younger group and have nice upside with Bouchard and Broberg. Leafs have a broken Muzzin and a geriatric Gio

Just go with it. I GUARANTEE they will let in more goals than Edmonton again this season. Murray just looks atrocious half of the time. Same with Samsanov last year

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

Rielly <--> Nurse
Brodie <---> Ceci
Muzzin <---> Bouchard
Holl <---> Kulak
Giordano <---> Barrie
Liljegren <---> Broberg
Sandin <---> Murray

idk if I'm missing something but how is Toronto's D 'significantly' better, what is that other guy seeing lol

the Oilers are a younger group and have nice upside with Bouchard and Broberg. Leafs have a broken Muzzin and a geriatric Gio

outside of Reilly torontos blue line is nothing special. And if not for injury to nurse the oilers had 3 Defencemen score 40+ points last season, I like our odds of out scoring any team in the league other than Colorado/Tampa. I think Bouchard takes another step too next year

 

[Rude Dog]

Nope. Avs exposed them as the team most of us thought they were. Average

 

[TheGroceryStick]

And their goaltending just got worse this year...

You're probably eating all your words now that you have former Leaf players, scambling to pretend you never talked shit when we had them?

 

[Pyrophorus]

And their goaltending just got worse this year...

Can I have the lottery numbers?

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Can I have the lottery numbers?

There a "Mess" poster who can show it better. I would not take any bet that Murray/Samsanov will be better

 

[Pyrophorus]

idk if I'm missing something but how is Toronto's D 'significantly' better, what is that other guy seeing lol

the Oilers are a younger group and have nice upside with Bouchard and Broberg. Leafs have a broken Muzzin and a geriatric Gio

Shots allowed: Edm - 2050 Tor - 1993
Scoring chances allowed: Edm - 1854 Tor - 1771
High danger scoring chances allowed: Edm - 729 Tor - 701
xG allowed: Edm - 166 Tor - 155
5v5 defense (@HockeyViz): Edm - 0% Tor - -7%

 

[Rude Dog]

I have gathered that everyone who does not cheer for the Oilers strongly dislikes them.

Other key takeaways-

-a team who with their current core has never won more than 3 games in a 7 game series- is far and away better than a team who just visited the conference finals

- Calgary is a far superior team to Edmonton, mostly “because”

- Edmonton wouldn’t be a contender next season even if they won the cup. We’d hear how it was all luck and yadda yadda yadda.

Oilers have won 3 series in 16 years. 2 last year and could have easily lost in the first round again if McDavid doesn’t go crazy. Let’s not pretend oilers have much to brag about either. Could have easily lost to LA while Markstrom put on a clinic in horrible goaltending in round 2. They are pretenders at best.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Leafs still have bad goaltending.

I also love how many leaf fans were calling for Campbell to win a Vezina in the first half of last season

Right and then he was maybe the NHL's worst starting goalie from December onwards. No duh the Vezina hype kind of died down.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Oilers have won 3 series in 16 years. 2 last year and could have easily lost in the first round again if McDavid doesn’t go crazy. Let’s not pretend oilers have much to brag about either. Could have easily lost to LA while Markstrom put on a clinic in horrible goaltending in round 2. They are pretenders at best.

Gold coming from a Leafs fan

 

[Rude Dog]

Gold coming from a Leafs fan

What does being a leaf fan have to do with this thread about the oilers? I’m not an Avs fan but was picking them for the cup most of last year. Tell it like I see it.

 

[Joe n]

i think he is talking about the Leafs generational D that allowed more goals in their net than Edmonton did last year LOL

Maybe if you watched any Leaf games at all you would have seen Campbell giving up goals the a GTHL goalie would have stopped. I month of Vezina caliber goaltending doesn't make up for 4 months of being the worst goalie in the league

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Oilers have won 3 series in 16 years. 2 last year and could have easily lost in the first round again if McDavid doesn’t go crazy. Let’s not pretend oilers have much to brag about either. Could have easily lost to LA while Markstrom put on a clinic in horrible goaltending in round 2. They are pretenders at best.

Could Could Could

Easy there guy. The Oilers advanced because their top players sacked up and started dominating the other team lol. You know, star players are supposed to do that. They clutch up, lead, and take over big games.

Instead of choking in a game 6 winning game, their stars won game 6 against LA and then dominated game 7. Then they plastered their provincial rivals while one of their stars broke Gretzky's assists record in a series.

Then they lost a bunch of one goal games to a deeper and more ready team (Colorado). No shame in that. If it happened again this year, then I would be very concerned.

Maybe if you watched any Leaf games at all you would have seen Campbell giving up goals the a GTHL goalie would have stopped. I month of Vezina caliber goaltending doesn't make up for 4 months of being the worst goalie in the league

Oh yeah, I forgot edmonton had Hasek and Shesterkin in net

 

[Rubi]

Leafs still have bad goaltending.

I also love how many leaf fans were calling for Campbell to win a Vezina in the first half of last season

Hey... he was definitely in the running. At the end of November he had a .946 Sv%
Its not Leafs fans fault that his game dropped off a cliff.