HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[sampollock]

NJ problem right now is grit and depth up front. That's their only issue right now.

With Evans and Anderson, you get 2/3 of a 3rd line. They would probably play with Palat on the 3rd line and on the PK. NJ wouldn't need to play Hischier and Bratt on the PK anymore.

HABS have the same problem. no grit

Listen bud lol, nobody is expecting much in return for Dvo but most understand he's not part of our future so we get what we get and move on.

yup
maybe a 4th rounder maybe

 

[gusfring]

I think we also have to look at who on forward should realistically be starting with the big team next year.

Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-Dach-Demidov
Heineman-Newhook-Anderson
Kapanen-Beck-Roy
Evans? Armia? Gallagher? Davidson? Tuch?

I think Gallagher's buyout would be contingent on whether or not we trade some guys like Armia or Evans (or even Anderson). I believe we have the young pieces that should be able to step in to those roles, but it's hard to predict.

That's not a playoff team, unfortunately.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Listen bud lol, nobody is expecting much in return for Dvo but most understand he's not part of our future so we get what we get and move on.

What's with the LOL narrative?

I think we also have to look at who on forward should realistically be starting with the big team next year.

Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-Dach-Demidov
Heineman-Newhook-Anderson
Kapanen-Beck-Roy
Evans? Armia? Gallagher? Davidson? Tuch?

I think Gallagher's buyout would be contingent on whether or not we trade some guys like Armia or Evans (or even Anderson). I believe we have the young pieces that should be able to step in to those roles, but it's hard to predict.

Any roster with Dach at 2C and Newhook at 3C is a flawed roster. It's enough we have Dach learning to become a 2C! We don't need Newhook in a 3C spot and have two guys that can't win a faceoff. If this is the plan, we are in for a wild ride next year

 

[OneSharpMarble]

He did. He inherited a mess. Much worse than what Gorton/Hughes inherited

Yeah 7 years after he inherited it they were still dog shit and getting worse. Wow my hero!

 

[WeThreeKings]

You are right that they are not showcasing him. no need for that, but you dont devalue an asset by removing ice time or diminisingh their role.

His role should never be PP, especially 5 on 3, or being out there 6 on 5.. or even actually taking a shift in 3 on 3 OT.

The only reason that Dvorak plays in OT or on 6 on 5’s is because he wins face-offs. When the face off is on the strong side for a left shot centre Dvorak gets sent out (if it’s on the other side of the ice Evans gets sent out to take the face off). They don’t have another left shot centre who can win faceoffs. We saw this in OT against New Jersey where he took 3 face offs and then got off the ice (he played 3 shifts that OT for a total of 23 seconds).

They have to move on from Dvorak but they also have to address another left shot centre who can win faceoffs in the off-season.

It's about being better for the future, so better to just have the high leverage face-offs go to guys who will actually have to take them.

A left shot centre is a must.. but there have been times when Marty has intentionally deployed him in 3 on 3 OT. He clearly thinks way more highly of the player than he should and I can't wait to take his toy away from him. Somehow he escapes any criticism or accountability for his play. Even in games when he served absolute pizzas in the slot to the other team, he got a 5 on 3 deployment, just stupid.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

That's not a playoff team, unfortunately.

What's with the LOL narrative?



Any roster with Dach at 2C and Newhook at 3C is a flawed roster. It's enough we have Dach learning to become a 2C! We don't need Newhook in a 3C spot and have two guys that can't win a faceoff. If this is the plan, we are in for a wild ride next year

This wasn't meant to be an accurate look at the roster, just getting all the names on there. I do agree though, and hope we add some bigger pieces to the team.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The question of buyouts is always if we have a suitable replacement. I think with all the turnover coming up next summer the Habs will make sure we have enough good vets + characters. Gallagher might survive the cull just due to that.

Gallagher is so bad at this point it's not hard to replace him.

The next forward on waivers would do an equal job to Gallagher.

 

[sampollock]

Gallagher is so bad at this point it's not hard to replace him.

The next forward on waivers would do an equal job to Gallagher.

Sadly we are stuck with him

 

[Habs Halifax]

Gallagher is so bad at this point it's not hard to replace him.

The next forward on waivers would do an equal job to Gallagher.

Yes this may be true but Gallagher is not winning or loosing games for us and his cap hit is not hurting us (yet). It is what it is.

 

[1000eeer]

1- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard and Gallagher (bought back).
2 - Use both of our first round picks to move up and grab Caleb Desnoyers in this year's draft.
3- Trade : (MTL) Dach + LHD prospect + pick for (BUF) Cozens + prospect
4- Trade : (MTL) Evans + Xhekaj + pick for (NYR) K'andre Miller... Once they get rid of Zibanejad
5- Sign Nik Ehlers (if the price isn't to steep)

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Cozens - Demidov
Anderson - Newhook- Laine
Heineman - Beck - Armia

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson - Guhle
Miller - Reinbacher

It's not realistic that all these moves could be done but hey, always fun to try something up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dubois would have fit this team so well! We could have got both Dubois and Laine for cheap.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Dubois would have fit this team so well! We could have got both Dubois and Laine for cheap.

Both came with a huge cap hit and consistency issues (among other question marks). You can take a risk with one player, but bring two of them, especially in a young team, can be a disaster in the making.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Both came with a huge cap hit and consistency issues (among other question marks). You can take a risk with one player, but bring two of them, especially in a young team, can be a disaster in the making.

Laine has consistency issues but term was manageable. Dubois has been very good for a while now. So many fans ignored me when I pointed out the Kings were playing him 3C min's. The Kings GM and coach are the idiots, not Dubois.

90% of the fans on these boards were just wrong with Dubois. So many of them tried to belittle me about it too. I knew he would do well with the Caps.

When you look to fill holes through trades or UFA, you won't find perfect fits. Us fans need to rethink this through. When someone like Dubois is available for cheap and you got a growing cap to come, you got to seriously consider it. Otherwise, we are not filling the 2C or top 4RD any other way than the draft.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

1- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard and Gallagher (bought back).
2 - Use both of our first round picks to move up and grab Caleb Desnoyers in this year's draft.
3- Trade : (MTL) Dach + LHD prospect + pick for (BUF) Cozens + prospect
4- Trade : (MTL) Evans + Xhekaj + pick for (NYR) K'andre Miller... Once they get rid of Zibanejad
5- Sign Nik Ehlers (if the price isn't to steep)

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Cozens - Demidov
Anderson - Newhook- Laine
Heineman - Beck - Armia

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson - Guhle
Miller - Reinbacher

It's not realistic that all these moves could be done but hey, always fun to try something up.

I really don’t get the love for Cozens. He had one good season and at the moment, he isn’t even better than Dach. Considering the contracts, I would just stay where we are.

 

[digmor crusher]

Everyone wants to trade all the vets, Dvorak, Evans, Gally, Savard, Armia, Anderson, Matheson, and having at team that is almost all under 25. You know what the chances of a team like that is to win anything, 0%,

Now if we got rid of Armia, Dvorak and Savard this year I could live with that.

 

[1000eeer]

I really don’t get the love for Cozens. He had one good season and at the moment, he isn’t even better than Dach. Considering the contracts, I would just stay where we are.

Well, first, his compete level is way better than Dach's. He can play a physical game and contribute in different ways.

He's got a better shot than Dach and isn't soft like Dach.

It's a gamble I'm willing to take knowing Dach is going the other way (3,5M$ now and more later).

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Laine has consistency issues but term was manageable. Dubois has been very good for a while now. So many fans ignored me when I pointed out the Kings were playing him 3C min's. The Kings GM and coach are the idiots, not Dubois.

90% of the fans on these boards were just wrong with Dubois. So many of them tried to belittle me about it too. I knew he would do well with the Caps.

When you look to fill holes through trades or UFA, you won't find perfect fits. Us fans need to rethink this through. When someone like Dubois is available for cheap and you got a growing cap to come, you got to seriously consider it. Otherwise, we are not filling the 2C or top 4RD any other way than the draft.

Dubois wasn't available cheap. he was trade for Kuemper. If they wanted a goaltender Habs did not have any.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Everyone wants to trade all the vets, Dvorak, Evans, Gally, Savard, Armia, Anderson, Matheson, and having at team that is almost all under 25. You know what the chances of a team like that is to win anything, 0%,

Now if we got rid of Armia, Dvorak and Savard this year I could live with that.

I don’t think that Matheson, Anderson and Gallagher will be traded this year for different reasons.

I would trade Evans if we know that we can’t extend him to a reasonable contract AND if we can get a 1st or equivalent prospect in return.

I would also trade Armia and Savard if we can get a 2nd for each. Otherwise, I would keep them.

Dvorak can go for the best pick we can get.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dubois wasn't available cheap. he was trade for Kuemper. If they wanted a goaltender Habs did not have any.

I guess that part is fair if they were looking for a goalie only in return.

Well, first, his compete level is way better than Dach's. He can play a physical game and contribute in different ways.

He's got a better shot than Dach and isn't soft like Dach.

It's a gamble I'm willing to take knowing Dach is going the other way (3,5M$ now and more later).

I feel both Dach and Cozens will be similar in the next 5-8 years. I don't hate Cozens but I rather stick with Dach and see how good Hage is when he turns pro.

It sucks though... we really do need a 2C quickly. I would say 2C and top 4RD are two equal needs.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I guess that part is fair if they were looking for a goalie only in return.

Hard to say what they would have wanted form the Habs if they just took Kuemper because it was the best value they could get.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hard to say what they would have wanted form the Habs if they just took Kuemper because it was the best value they could get.

Yeah for sure. I think they really did want to move him and they did well by getting Kuemper for 3 years. We had Monty but we couldn't do that because of what we would have left.

Maybe they would have taken Matheson? Bet you they would have taken Dach.

 

[sampollock]

HABS are not deep with talent, what I mean is good to go talent. ton's coming but they are all young
need some grit and couple vets to be added.
habs get injuries' and they are cooked.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the Leafs offer their 2026 1st and Cowen for Evans, would you do it or just extend Evans? I believe the Leafs will make an offer but they won't be the only ones.

 

[sampollock]

is there a trade freeze during the 4 nations cup?

 

[Goalfield13]

If the Leafs offer their 2026 1st and Cowen for Evans, would you do it or just extend Evans? I believe the Leafs will make an offer but they won't be the only ones.

That's a bit of an overpayment from the Leafs.