Are the Oilers a top 5 contender next season with Jack Campbell?

[Peasy]

Murray and Samsonov were worse than Campbell last year, there's no debate

Mike Smith had .915 save percentage but he also was wildly erratic, often injured, and old
Koskinen had .903 save percentage and was also too inconsistent

Campbell is absolutely an upgrade over the Oilers goalies last year

Lol two of those 3 things describe Campbell last year.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Kadri was in every teams head this past post season he’s a pest. That was an all time classic playoffs from him he takes the attention from others. A lot like old Claude lemiux. That’s why that turd Kane took a super cheap hit on him.

Hube it’s my prediction the thread asked and I responded. I think Calgary is a better team then Edmonton, we’ll see.

The Avs didn’t miss a beat when he was out for the playoffs

 

[lionsDen]

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None of it matters. What happened, happened and what's to come, will come. Oilers made the conference finals, the leafs were out in the first round. It doesn't matter how you win, it just matters that you win. At the end of the day a tight 7 game series or 4 game sweep, results in the in the same result.

I’m of the mind the blues we’re a better team last year then the oilers. They have a fight. Puke did I just give the blues props

 

[HockeyVirus]

? Leafs worst case is that Murray and Samsonov play like they have the last 3 years as some of the worst goalies in the league and waste another year.

Nah the worst case is Samsonov is waived and one of the Marlies goalies takes his place. OR Murray's body just can't do it he will be LTIR'd and replaced with a Marlie. Then at the TDL the team would be moving their first for a starting goalie.

Most likely scenario is the goaltending is not much different than what they had last year. Wildly inconsistent with injury prone goalies but stretches of good play where the team piles up points.

A realistic scenario and the hope is either Samsonov discovers why he was considered a future starting goalie with a change of scenary and the Leafs revamping their entire goaltending department OR Murray puts together his game again and has a Binnington type season.

Literally not worried about making the playoffs. I am worried about playoffs. So let's see what they have, and if it is not enough, they got these goalies for free so they can pay for one for the playoffs.

Murray and Samsonov were worse than Campbell last year, there's no debate

Mike Smith had .915 save percentage but he also was wildly erratic, often injured, and old
Koskinen had .903 save percentage and was also too inconsistent

Campbell is absolutely an upgrade over the Oilers goalies last year

Congrats you finally got the point. You signed this goalie to 5x5 and are now this thread is asking if this makes them a top contender? Laughable.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Lol two of those 3 things describe Campbell last year.

Don’t remember Campbell giving goals away due to poor luck handling
Or letting in goals from Center ice

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Nah the worst case is Samsonov is waived and one of the Marlies goalies takes his place. OR Murray's body just can't do it he will be LTIR'd and replaced with a Marlie. Then at the TDL the team would be moving their first for a starting goalie.

Most likely scenario is the goaltending is not much different than what they had last year. Wildly inconsistent with injury prone goalies but stretches of good play where the team piles up points.

A realistic scenario and the hope is either Samsonov discovers why he was considered a future starting goalie with a change of scenary and the Leafs revamping their entire goaltending department OR Murray puts together his game again and has a Binnington type season.

Literally not worried about making the playoffs. I am worried about playoffs. So let's see what they have, and if it is not enough, they got these goalies for free so they can pay for one for the playoffs.



Congrats you finally got the point. You signed this goalie to 5x5 and are now this thread is asking if this makes them a top contender? Laughable.

I disagree. A realistic scenario is that both goalies perform as they have in the past 3 years. An extremely optimistic scenario is that Murray rebounds and Samsonov rebounds as well. I agree that the duo is good enough to make the playoffs if that is the goal.

 

[The90]

sorry but contending teams don't rely on "hot streaks" from goalies who were terrible the previous year

Neither do They only rely on ‘hot streaks’ of 3 plus points a game the likes of which set records to be sustainable year after year.

Don’t remember Campbell giving goals away due to poor luck handling
Or letting in goals from Center ice

Saddle up, You’re in for a fun year partner lol

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Neither do They only rely on ‘hot streaks’ of 3 plus points a game the likes of which set records to be sustainable year after year.


Saddle up, You’re in for a fun year partner lol

Nah, Leaf players get better when they arrive on the Oilers

 

[The90]

Nah, Leaf players get better when they arrive on the Oilers

Lol. Have fun

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Campbell is an equivalent of Koskinen. Different style same ballpark result

Smith gone is addition by substraction, he sometimes great but crumble like a f.... crouton wherever it count.

Edmonton need to find a backup that have a better pedigree/ceilling than Skinner. I know edm fan have a weird hard on for him but .500 win rate against the very bottom tier of the league is yikes.

He played like 15 games last year and the best team he faced was Boston, (the only playoff team he ever faced) and lost.

Regardless, Edm have a relatively easy path to the West Cost final, a very lethal improuved rooster and already got shite goaltending in the playoffs so you have to be pretty dumb to not consider them containers, Campbell or not

 

[nammerus]

Murray and Samsonov were worse than Campbell last year, there's no debate

Mike Smith had .915 save percentage but he also was wildly erratic, often injured, and old
Koskinen had .903 save percentage and was also too inconsistent

Campbell is absolutely an upgrade over the Oilers goalies last year

Oilers fans. Amazing. There is no objective evidence that Campbell is an upgrade on Smith. Just pipe dreams and hope.

See those bottom bars where Campbell has a negative Goals Save Above Expected and GSVA? Those are some of the worst numbers in the league for a starter on a playoff team. At best, it is a lateral move.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Oilers fans. Amazing. There is no objective evidence that Campbell is an upgrade on Smith. Just pipe dreams and hope.

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See those bottom bars where Campbell has a negative Goals Save Above Expected and GSVA? Those are some of the worst numbers in the league for a starter on a playoff team. At best, it is a lateral move.

Few differences
One played 35 game due to injury, the other 52 games
One is 41, the other 30
One doesn’t let goal in from Center ice and due to poor puck handling..the other does

 

[Mack a doodle doo]

Oilers fans. Amazing. There is no objective evidence that Campbell is an upgrade on Smith. Just pipe dreams and hope.

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See those bottom bars where Campbell has a negative Goals Save Above Expected and GSVA? Those are some of the worst numbers in the league for a starter on a playoff team. At best, it is a lateral move.

Of course the stats look similar, Very few oilers fans are under the illusion that Campbell is some rock back there. What gets lost in the stats is the number of bad, deflating, tying or go ahead goals Smith would give up as opposed to Campbell(I know Campbell had his struggles with this as well). As far as I know Campbell let in zero goal from goals beyond the blue line last year and no game tying full ice playoff goals, hell I even saw Smith let in an unscreened backhand muffin from the point this year which is something I’ve never seen from a goalie. The leafs are my secondary team and I watch a lot of them, Campbell let In a lot of bad goals as the season went on but just not comparable to Smith imo.

 

[nammerus]

Few differences
One played 35 game due to injury, the other 52 games
One is 41, the other 30
One doesn’t let goal in from Center ice and due to poor puck handling..the other does

So, you get more games of mediocre to sub-par goaltending, for 2.5x the price. That's your reasoning for why Campbell will be better? I guess that makes sense.

 

[McVespa99]

Top 5 in the conference? sure. Top 5 in the NHL? I have Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Pitt, NYRangers, Colorado, Stlouis, Calgary in front. Nashville, Washington, Vancouver and Minnesota atleast as good. So no.

Boom goes the Cred...

 

[Heldig]

Does Jack Campbell complete this team and push them to the top 5 for contending next season?

Are they a top 5 team? NO.

They are probably a favourite to win the Pacific and have a good chance to get to the conference finals so in that sense they are a top 5 contender. Not sure Campbell has that much to do with it.

 

[The90]

Of course the stats look similar, Very few oilers fans are under the illusion that Campbell is some rock back there. What gets lost in the stats is the number of bad, deflating, tying or go ahead goals Smith would give up as opposed to Campbell(I know Campbell had his struggles with this as well). As far as I know Campbell let in zero goal from goals the blue line last year and no game tying full ice playoff goals, hell I even saw Smith let in an unscreened backhand muffin from the point this year which is something I’ve never seen from a goalie. The leafs are my secondary team and I watch a lot of them, Campbell let In a lot of bad goals as the season went on but just not comparable to Smith imo.

You guys are literally describing Campbells January to March and not realizing it, yet calling it better lol.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I think the acquisition of Campbell was less about improving the goaltending from last year with Smith and more about recognizing that rolling the dice on a 40 year old goalie performing at that level two years in a row and staying healthy was a poor bet. Especially during the prime years of McDrai. If Campbell can replicate Smith’s last season I think that’s a win given the goalies who realistically were available.

 

[Peasy]

Don’t remember Campbell giving goals away due to poor luck handling
Or letting in goals from Center ice

You sipping on so much copium lol. Gotta try and justify everything with random asides that don't even address the original point.



Campbell let in a lot of deflating goals over the course of the season. Maybe not as bad a Smith, but he did it a lot. Also he has a really weak mental. If he let's in a bad goal during a game, it's likely just the beginning.

Also, there is a goal in that video that is straight up from him puck handling it and passing it to the other team. Enjoy

 

[Pucklington]

You guys are literally describing Campbells January to March and not realizing it, yet calling it better lol.

I would be more concerned with what you have in net for the Leafs this year, and less concerned about the Oilers.

If he's as bad as your saying and the Leafs still managed to downgrade... yikes.

 

[MessierII]

You sipping on so much copium lol. Gotta try and justify everything with random asides that don't even address the original point.



Campbell let in a lot of deflating goals over the course of the season. Maybe not as bad a Smith, but he did it a lot. Also he has a really weak mental. If he let's in a bad goal during a game, it's likely just the beginning.

Also, there is a goal in that video that is straight up from him puck handling it and passing it to the other team. Enjoy

Enjoy your guy who was on waivers last year

 

[Holymakinaw]

If he's as bad as your saying and the Leafs still managed to downgrade... yikes.

Yup. Campbell WAS that bad last year. And the Leaf did indeed manage to downgrade from that. They're screwed this year..........again. So are the Oilers. The two teams are very similar in that regard.

 

[The90]

I would be more concerned with what you have in net for the Leafs this year, and less concerned about the Oilers.

If he's as bad as your saying and the Leafs still managed to downgrade... yikes.

I never said he was as bad as anything. I’m simply saying, assuming he’s a clear and obvious upgrade is unlikely

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

So, you get more games of mediocre to sub-par goaltending, for 2.5x the price. That's your reasoning for why Campbell will be better? I guess that makes sense.

The Oilers were only next to COL for most wins in a game where they got sub 900 goaltending, so just average will be fine then see what happens in the playoffs.

 

[Rubi]

In the playoffs that’s fair but he’s still an upgrade over Koskinen who played 49 games for Edmonton last year.

So Campbell replaces Koskinen to be the new Oilers #1 goaltender which implies that Koskinen was the Oilers #1 goalie. Thats somewhat confusing. I can probably find hundreds of posts where Oilers fans state that Smith was the Oilers #1 goalie.

Which is it? Is Campbell replacing Smith or Koskinen... and who is Skinner replacing?