Are team's going to try to copy Florida's style?

[WhataKnight]

The toggle to physicality as the playoffs start will bleed over.

That said, roster variance aside, it gets results.



Except that *one* time……

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I for one look forward to watching the David Clarkson 2.0 experience.

I think Bennett is better than Clarkson was but I guess we will see.

 

[RMF5630]

Copy? Maybe Rick Touchet can do it. But, it is more than a style, it is who Maurice is. The whole organization is build around it. Not something that can be turned on for a series, you have to be built that way. Not many Coach's can take the risk side of it, like Tkachuk's penalty. You have to be we willing to live and die with it. Against TB, if Ekblade or Nikkola get suspended or Bennett vs TOR, you can't come apart. How many are really willing to do it?

Jarrod in COL? He was an enforcer as a player.
Rod in CAR? He was willing to drop the gloves and get physical as anyone.
Touchet? He understands the enforcer mentality. (He is my choice, as he was also a scorer)

Cooper? A lawyer and Coach? He is custom built for Maurice to bully...

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

I think people are too myopic in their view of how to build a winner. Just trying to copy the panthers will leave you with a worse version of the panthers. They didn’t invent physicality, that’s always been there and everyone is already trying to create a physical playoff ready team.

Don’t worry about what the last successful team looked like, and focus on trying to define what the next successful team looks like.

 

[LionsHeart]

Yes, but dumber because it’s a dumb league.

 

[PistolPete]

The toggle to physicality as the playoffs start will bleed over.

That said, roster variance aside, it gets results.



Except that *one* time……

Something I've wondered lately is is it the physicality per se that makes the difference or is there a something else behind the physicality that is the real factor.

For example, a physical team tends to be high energy, highly motivated, aggressive (in the sense of going on the attack rather than sitting on their heels)....

If this is the case then energy output efficiency would render it best to tap into these factors and save energy to ensure continued top performance in the third period by having the players as fresh as possible

 

[joestevens29]

What if the Oilers win this year, are teams going to start getting older and slower?

Honestly though, it's impossible to try build teams like another team. You have to build around what assets your team already has and have a coach that coaches the best for the type of talent he has. Even if you are a rebuilding club are you just going to focus on drafting similar players to what the Panthers have, even though you would be leaving the BPA's on the table?

 

[SirQuacksALot]

"What if we give the fourth line bath salts?"

 

[Connor McConnor]

It never works when teams try to "copy" a winner. You will always be a step behind, and you can't copy their players or fits, which in the Panthers case, might be the best since other multiple Cup winners.

 

[WhataKnight]

Something I've wondered lately is is it the physicality per se that makes the difference or is there a something else behind the physicality that is the real factor.

For example, a physical team tends to be high energy, highly motivated, aggressive (in the sense of going on the attack rather than sitting on their heels)....

If this is the case then energy output efficiency would render it best to tap into these factors and save energy to ensure continued top performance in the third period by having the players as fresh as possible

Florida’s mix of situational physicality, layered defense and layered attack is simply being executed *that* good - and it gains keener serration when the penchant for throwing a team off of their composure is factored in.

(That said, I’m happy that Carolina drew blood; hard not to like them now since the other three teams were all opponents in the Cup run. )

 

[IdleTraveller]

Honestly though, it's impossible to try build teams like another team. You have to build around what assets your team already has and have a coach that coaches the best for the type of talent he has. Even if you are a rebuilding club are you just going to focus on drafting similar players to what the Panthers have, even though you would be leaving the BPA's on the table?

This exactly. Zito made it clear when he came in that he was intentionally building a team and a system around Barkov's strengths as a player, and that's exactly what he did - both in terms of roster contruction as well as bringing in Maurice to implement a system that made the most of those strengths.

So unless you have a core group of players with a similar skill set to Barkov's etc, trying to copy Florida's style seems like a losing proposition. Better to start off with what your core players are really good at, and then design the roster and system around that. And then the games become a lot more interesting being not only a measure of how well players execute, but also a clash of systems.

 

[snag]

What if the Oilers win this year, are teams going to start getting older and slower?

Honestly though, it's impossible to try build teams like another team. You have to build around what assets your team already has and have a coach that coaches the best for the type of talent he has. Even if you are a rebuilding club are you just going to focus on drafting similar players to what the Panthers have, even though you would be leaving the BPA's on the table?

older sure....but you think the Oilers are slow?

 

[Idiot Stick]

why would anyone want to mimic the team that broke carolinas winless streak in the ECF and barely won against the leafs?

 

[PistolPete]

This exactly. Zito made it clear when he came in that he was intentionally building a team and a system around Barkov's strengths as a player, and that's exactly what he did - both in terms of roster contruction as well as bringing in Maurice to implement a system that made the most of those strengths.

So unless you have a core group of players with a similar skill set to Barkov's etc, trying to copy Florida's style seems like a losing proposition. Better to start off with what your core players are really good at, and then design the roster and system around that. And then the games become a lot more interesting being not only a measure of how well players execute, but also a clash of systems.

It's interesting this would be done in an NHL roster given the sheer size of the roster compared to an NBA roster for example. In football it makes sense because it's all play calling the entire game.

Any opinions on who you think is especially on Florida 's roster to complement Barkov and who are just fillers so to speak?

 

[ViD]

Did many teams copy Tampa’s style ?

Probably hard without a clone copy of Kuch and Hedman

 

[PistolPete]

Did many teams copy Tampa’s style ?

Probably hard without a clone copy of Kuch and Hedman

This talk reminds me of how many pundits explained the explosive scoring of the 80s as teams copying the Oilers run and gun style which never made sense to me because how do you copy such a style when they had the greatest player their linchpin followed by three perennial all stars on forward and a Bobby Orr Lite on defense?

To this day, they are still the only team to surpass 400 GF -and did it 5 times ((Boston averaged enough in '71 bit played only 78 games).

Talking about building your team around a player, something I was surprised to come.across is Buffalo had quite high SA totals while Hasek was in his heyday. Given their offense was lacking, you'd think they'd maximize Hasek's game and play shutdown defense and win games by keeping shot totals down and thus SAVE%× few as possible SA = even lower GA.

 

[joestevens29]

older sure....but you think the Oilers are slow?

Up front I think we got slower without McLeod, Holloway and Foegele

 

[sampollock]

the figs will try
the rumors they are trading and signing all the top players

 

[snag]

Up front I think we got slower without McLeod, Holloway and Foegele

Fair enough.....but we are still top tier in speed second only to Colorado (based on AI analysis of Edge stats that I do not have the time or desire to validate lol)

 

[joestevens29]

Fair enough.....but we are still top tier in speed second only to Colorado (based on AI analysis of Edge stats that I do not have the time or desire to validate lol)

I wonder how much of that has to do with the d-men either wheeling it out themselves or making crisper faster passes that allow the team to attack with more speed.

 

[RMF5630]

Florida’s mix of situational physicality, layered defense and layered attack is simply being executed *that* good - and it gains keener serration when the penchant for throwing a team off of their composure is factored in.

(That said, I’m happy that Carolina drew blood; hard not to like them now since the other three teams were all opponents in the Cup run. )

Excellent points. FLA's physicality is not just for the sake of being physical. It is part of a layered system one aspect supporting the other all the way down to personnel decisions. Perfect example of who they brought in at the trade deadline - Marchant (king rat). It all works off the forecheck. Either you are a forechecking coach or you are not. Maurice loves the forecheck. FLA and Maurice is the NHL's version of Pitino's full court press in BB or Buddie Ryan's 46 Defense playing man to man in the NFL. It is who they are.

 

[me2]

The style is usual out of fashion by the time teams have copied it. By then, everyone is trying to copy the latest winner's style.

 

[Dread Clawz]

What if the Oilers win this year, are teams going to start getting older and slower?

Honestly though, it's impossible to try build teams like another team. You have to build around what assets your team already has and have a coach that coaches the best for the type of talent he has. Even if you are a rebuilding club are you just going to focus on drafting similar players to what the Panthers have, even though you would be leaving the BPA's on the table?

The Panthers drafted talent first, then made trades and signings to round out the group and give it an edge. i.e . Tkachuk, Bennett, Luostarinen, Mikkola, Rodrigues, Marchand. So a rebuilding club could successfully model themselves after the Panthers. But it would be a long process that would take at least 5 years, likely more.

 

[BlueMed]

Since when did Florida invent this style of play?

We saw this with Boston, LA, and St. Louis. Bullying teams with a heavy forecheck, 2-way defensemen, and a quality goaltender is not new.

 

[ref19]

probably in the East, but no guarantee they'd make it past three legit teams every year in the West

very true