red devil
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I am not "some people" talking about another subject.Oh wow , Struble had 2 hits in preseason and now he’s some sort of example? and yet some people were saying that Xhekaj should have gone after Domi when he was manhandling Struble.
You can’t have a team of players who can’t defend themselves and then blame the guy who defends them
This, the message around the league needs to be clearI prefer we try to retaliate when other teams try to hurt us vs turning the other cheek when other teams try to hurt us.
%In my opinion, what Xhekaj did yesterday, he stood up for all of his teammates. It's okay to act like you've got a few screws loose in the head, especially after what transpired so far this preseason. However, when the season begins, he's gotta be smarter and if necessary, make the "intent" to hurt or injure less obvious.
I'm against injuries and goonish hits, but if we're on the receiving end of one, we have to retaliate, especially when the code doesn't get respected. Hopefully this sent a different message to opposing teams we've got a player willing to cross the line.
In my opinion, what Xhekaj did yesterday, he stood up for all of his teammates. It's okay to act like you've got a few screws loose in the head, especially after what transpired so far this preseason. However, when the season begins, he's gotta be smarter and if necessary, make the "intent" to hurt or injure less obvious.
I'm against injuries and goonish hits, but if we're on the receiving end of one, we have to retaliate, especially when the code doesn't get respected. Hopefully this sent a different message to opposing teams we've got a player willing to cross the line.
Um sorry, I must have missed it somewhere but why all the references to Costco?Sens fan get triggered every time they shop at Costco now
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If anyone should it would be Stutzle for carelessly smashing himself across the head.
It would also fundamentally change how the game is played for the worse. Hockey is a contact sport. It's part of the appeal.I agree and i also hate to think like this but there has to be dissuasion from illegaly hitting players. Like Pare did, like Greig did and like Xhekaj did.
The best dissuasive would be overlylong suspension. For example, Greig(or Xhekaj) should have been suspended 15 games for their hit, even if there is no consequence.
So unless the league has this kind of dissuasion in place, then mutual destruction is the biggest dissuasive.
Greig should know that he put his star player, not him, in extreme danger when he do a reckless hit like that.
S Um sorry, I must have missed it somewhere but why all the references to Costco?
It would also fundamentally change how the game is played for the worse. Hockey is a contact sport. It's part of the appeal.
No one is advocating to go back to the days of Scott Stevens headhunting guys and ending careers. But if you suspend a guy 15 games (which is 18% of an 82 game season) for a hit where no one even gets injured, you might as well take hitting out of the game. No one would ever risk that many games or that much salary for that.
If you're fine with that, not really sure why you watch or enjoy hockey.
NHL saying players should police themselves. It’s no wonder there’s so many injuries this preseason
It's not for you, it's for the guys in the room. Whether you like it or not as a fan, fear and intimidation is part of contact sports, especially at that level where guys are so big and strong. There's a reason why a guy like Marner disappear in the playoffs. You do 'play bigger' on the ice if you have guys that can take care of themselves and you out there with you. It's a real factor.He's done things like this in the regular season before, he's had discipline issues before. It was part of the reason why he was sent down to Laval last year.
So this isn't just isolating a singular event and blowing it up out of proportion.
He's got to be smarter on the ice, I don't know how anyone can say otherwise.
I think it's foolish to think that this settles anything. It didn't last night and it didn't the night before. But it gives the fans their pound of flesh.
Cool...I don't really care about any of that stuff to be honest. Code or no code. It doesn't move me either way.
I'm more interested in seeing Xhekaj on the ice.
A good deterrent would be a prolific, heck even just a solid powerplay. Teams would be more willing to avoid taking penalties (in theory - this would be part of their game plan).I agree and i also hate to think like this but there has to be dissuasion from illegaly hitting players. Like Pare did, like Greig did and like Xhekaj did.
The best dissuasive would be overlylong suspension. For example, Greig(or Xhekaj) should have been suspended 15 games for their hit, even if there is no consequence.
So unless the league has this kind of dissuasion in place, then mutual destruction is the biggest dissuasive.
Greig should know that he put his star player, not him, in extreme danger when he do a reckless hit like that.
If you suspend a guy 15 games for Greig's hit, players won't think twice before doing just that hit, they'll think twice before doing ANY hit. That's the problem. The game's so fast and there's so many factors that even a hit that was meant to be clean can turn out wrongI don't think anyone have a problem with Reinbacher injury since its bad luck on a legal hit.
Greig was a late and high hit. No problem if players think twice before doing them.
This is fair and you're right but I don't approve of dirty hits regardless. What Xhekaj did to Pare was appropriate (he was turtling and needed a beatdown) but a flyby chickenwing wtv is not right.It's not for you, it's for the guys in the room. Whether you like it or not as a fan, fear and intimidation is part of contact sports, especially at that level where guys are so big and strong. There's a reason why a guy like Marner disappear in the playoffs. You do 'play bigger' on the ice if you have guys that can take care of themselves and you out there with you. It's a real factor.
My point wasn't that what Xhekaj did settled anything. You misread it. The point is that neither Pare or Greig followed "the code" where you answer for your dirty hits and fight someone. That settles things usually. The guy who did it has at least owned up and 'paid the price' for what he did.
But they both refused. And that's why it was dealt with the way it was.
NHLPA would object due to the forfeiture of salary, so that’s not happening.The best dissuasive would be overlylong suspension. For example, Greig(or Xhekaj) should have been suspended 15 games for their hit, even if there is no consequence.
Is that Engels Expectation?
I almost wrote the same thing. Also, he should get suspended for all his diving. The worst part is that other Sens are doing it too and it's so blatant but Refs falls for it every freaking time.If anyone should it would be Stutzle for carelessly smashing himself across the head.
Its the refs who should be disciplined for f***ing this up so royally. Greig should have gotten a major and there was no penalty on X because there was no hit.If anyone should it would be Stutzle for carelessly smashing himself across the head.
Of course it's a real factor...but not if you're taking yourself out of the game doing so.It's not for you, it's for the guys in the room. Whether you like it or not as a fan, fear and intimidation is part of contact sports, especially at that level where guys are so big and strong. There's a reason why a guy like Marner disappear in the playoffs. You do 'play bigger' on the ice if you have guys that can take care of themselves and you out there with you. It's a real factor.
I understood everything you wrote, there's nothing particularly difficult to understand about that...it's the "code", I've been watching hockey for 35 years, I know what it is.My point wasn't that what Xhekaj did settled anything. You misread it. The point is that neither Pare or Greig followed "the code" where you answer for your dirty hits and fight someone. That settles things usually. The guy who did it has at least owned up and 'paid the price' for what he did.
But they both refused. And that's why it was dealt with the way it was.
You're right as well, dirty hits should not be a thing. If Xhekaj does that hit unprovoked, I'm not happy with him at all. Reckless for the sake of being reckless is dumb as hell (the whole reason why I'm pissed off about Pare and Greig to begin with). Obviously the way Stuble crushed Greig last night should be the standard.This is fair and you're right but I don't approve of dirty hits regardless. What Xhekaj did to Pare was appropriate (he was turtling and needed a beatdown) but a flyby chickenwing wtv is not right.
If it was a big boom hit that leveled Timmy Stu I would be praising it. As it stands, I'm just relieved there isn't lasting injury and Xhekaj didn't get suspended. I hope I never see that again.You're right as well, dirty hits should not be a thing. If Xhekaj does that hit unprovoked, I'm not happy with him at all. Reckless for the sake of being reckless is dumb as hell (the whole reason why I'm pissed off about Pare and Greig to begin with). Obviously the way Stuble crushed Greig last night should be the standard.
This is a bigger issue though, about hockey and the players policing the game when the league/refs won't. Some fans understand it and some fans hate it with a passion. It's an interesting debate, but I happen to like the sport in it's current iteration and I played a little bit growing up so I tend to side with the pro-policing side.
2 min interference at best for what X did. The Ref totally screwed up there and should be fired for total incompetence.Its the refs who should be disciplined for f***ing this up so royally. Greig should have gotten a major and there was no penalty on X because there was no hit.
I am trying to figure out who are the dumbest people on earth. Leafs fans, sens fans, SN panel, or refs? All of the above is an option too.2 min interference at best for what X did. The Ref totally screwed up there and should be fired for total incompetence.