RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Sombastate]

Trust me I was all ready for the flyers to take Leonard at 7 when Matvei fell into their lap. I can't answer for other teams picks just happy we got Matvei.

This is exactly how I felt. I called my brother on the phone to preemptively get consoled

 

[Guadana]

I still can’t believe he was drafted 7th overall.

What on earth was Montreal thinking when they picked Reinbacher over Michkov?

Dumb decisions makes draft so much fun. Historical bad decisions makes wonders with draft. People care. Because you never know who and how will draft. It is so interesting to remember this situations. And think about how this or that team could change their Historical direction. This is why there are so many people on this board.

 

[NatusVincere]

Pretty quiet game for him through 2 periods.

First period he hardly even touched the puck. Second period was a little better. To be expected since Boston has pretty much their full squad and he’s up against Bostons first line.

That’s because besides Michkov the Flyers offense is as impotent as it can be. 5 Shots through half the game. The D’s can’t make a first pass even if their life depends on it. Possession was nonexistent, lots of bad passes/turnovers and even the PP looked bad. I was really shocked how weak the Flyers looked against a real NHL team. Michkov had almost no opportunities to shine at all.

 

[kp61c]

nice assist yeaterday but otherwise pretty brutal game for michkov.

 

[enthuuusiast]

That’s because besides Michkov the Flyers offense is as impotent as it can be. 5 Shots through half the game. The D’s can’t make a first pass even if their life depends on it. Possession was nonexistent, lots of bad passes/turnovers and even the PP looked bad. I was really shocked how weak the Flyers looked against a real NHL team. Michkov had almost no opportunities to shine at all.

And this, ladies and gentleman, are your 24-25 Philadelphia Flyers. Michkov and sometimes Frost are the only two players who can successfully make a clean pass. It's brutal but at least we have him now!

 

[Guadana]

I really hope flyers will tank thus season. The only thing tat block Michkov from the great future is huge lack of good partners. Flyers are in the beginning of rebuild but they are trying to compete.
Some people used Wild example and I woukd agree, but wild at least made many huge draft decisions and trade Faber. Flyers didn't. But they drafted Zavragin so they have two pieces, may be Luchanko will be good second line center, may be Bonk will be good second pair guy, but they really need future top line center and a couple of future first pair defensemen, at least one.

 

[Hanji]

nice assist yeaterday but otherwise pretty brutal game for michkov.

How was he brutal?
(Other than his assist) he didn’t create much, but he wasn't a liability defensively. No turnovers, 1 take-away. Was a -1 but only because of bad turnovers by Drysdale and Luchanko right into empty nets.

If he plays this “brutally” every game he’s still a point/game rookie.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

nice assist yeaterday but otherwise pretty brutal game for michkov.

Yeah he didn’t have a brutal game, he set up a goal with a primary assist, had another nice between the legs deke right around a defender with ease that ended up in a high danger chance, looked good when he touched the puck. The flyers as a team were brutal he didn’t have many chances to create.

 

[kp61c]

How was he brutal?
(Other than his assist) he didn’t create much, but he wasn't a liability defensively. No turnovers, 1 take-away. Was a -1 but only because of bad turnovers by Drysdale and Luchanko right into empty nets.

If he plays this “brutally” every game he’s still a point/game rookie.

I would say he was a liability defensively, had his own share of turnovers, looked timid and very slow.

 

[SaSaShi]

I really hope flyers will tank thus season. The only thing tat block Michkov from the great future is huge lack of good partners. Flyers are in the beginning of rebuild but they are trying to compete.
Some people used Wild example and I woukd agree, but wild at least made many huge draft decisions and trade Faber. Flyers didn't. But they drafted Zavragin so they have two pieces, may be Luchanko will be good second line center, may be Bonk will be good second pair guy, but they really need future top line center and a couple of future first pair defensemen, at least one.

Two first pair dmen? They have the Robin in York/Sanheim. They just need the Batman.

You also need a true 1C like you said. However, considering that Michkov is here, that 1 C doesnt have to be a top of the line 1C , a young couturier like center producing 75-80 points a year should be enough. Toews-Kane is a good example.

Some say that could be Luchanko, but he most likely turns into a Rod Brindamour, 2 way player , good secondary scoring but with some offensive flaws. So still need a 1C

Then you have all the cornerstones: 1C, 1 D, goalie in Zavragin and hopefully your top 10 player in Michkov. The next 2 drafts, and especially this next draft could define Briere's tenure and the long term future of the flyers.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I would say he was a liability defensively, had his own share of turnovers, looked timid and very slow.

I don't believe you actually watched

 

[kp61c]

I don't believe you actually watched

The team is hard to watch, I'll grant you that.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I don't believe you actually watched

The trolls are grasping at anything they can …

 

[Rich Nixon]

That’s because besides Michkov the Flyers offense is as impotent as it can be. 5 Shots through half the game. The D’s can’t make a first pass even if their life depends on it. Possession was nonexistent, lots of bad passes/turnovers and even the PP looked bad. I was really shocked how weak the Flyers looked against a real NHL team. Michkov had almost no opportunities to shine at all.

Their whole game is basically getting caved, blocking shots, relying on their goalie, and scoring in transition once they create a turnover. They are not a competent possession team at all. Ersson's numbers by the end of the year were rough, but through the whole middle stretch of last season he was doing what he did last night--keeping a team in the game while it flailed around in its own zone for minutes on end.

I expect Michkov and Frost to establish and hold some zone time, but they'll need a winger who can actually function in that setting. Tippett is a bad fit there (he's basically a railway gun, skate straight and shoot) and Konecny is hit or miss. Someone like Farabee is probably better, but fat chance that Torts would let three fancy little skill boys be on a line together. Foerster, perhaps. They'll also need to end up out there with at least one of their 3 defensemen who don't treat the puck like a grenade.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Their whole game is basically getting caved, blocking shots, relying on their goalie, and scoring in transition once they create a turnover. They are not a competent possession team at all. Ersson's numbers by the end of the year were rough, but through the whole middle stretch of last season he was doing what he did last night--keeping a team in the game while it flailed around in its own zone for minutes on end.

I expect Michkov and Frost to establish and hold some zone time, but they'll need a winger who can actually function in that setting. Tippett is a bad fit there (he's basically a railway gun, skate straight and shoot) and Konecny is hit or miss. Someone like Farabee is probably better, but fat chance that Torts would let three fancy little skill boys be on a line together. Foerster, perhaps. They'll also need to end up out there with at least one of their 3 defensemen who don't treat the puck like a grenade.

Agree, Tippett has been atrocious on that wing, they need to replace him with someone else. Frost and Michkov play well together, but eventually they're going to need someone more talented down the middle for Michkov, it's insane how bad the Flyers are at drafting its so disgustingly obvious this is the best talent we've had at this age since Lindros, remind me how many years ago that is, jesus.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I really thought Foerster was a great fit for Michkov on the other side because I thought Michkov may need the board help (he doesn't).

Purely from having a quick trigger, I though Tippett was as well.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I really thought Foerster was a great fit for Michkov on the other side because I thought Michkov may need the board help (he doesn't).

Purely from having a quick trigger, I though Tippett was as well.

Tippett has a gnarly shot and release, great speed, and little else. He has no vision or patience, so when he has the puck in the zone he's either going to bury it in the goalie's logo or make an awkward pass, either way he kills most cycles he's involved in. It's why he's not a great PP contributor. He's also the last guy on the team you want with the puck on his stick on your side of the red line, he's a turnover machine anytime he tries to make an outlet pass.

Tippett succeeds in the Flyers' "shell and counter" style because he's money if you hit him flying up ice with a stretch pass, but he's really frustrating otherwise. You can watch his game for a while and sort of see why Florida wasn't feeling him--even if he can produce in some settings, the lack of versatility limits his usage for a team that plays modern NHL hockey.

Foerster, on the other hand, is really smart. Makes simple, subtle plays to cut off defenders' options and keep them hemmed in, knows how to put the puck to good areas, all that. You're almost looking for a Crosby linemate dynamic...Chris Kunitz didn't have an elite shot, but he didn't need one, because he learned to pay attention and do the right little things so the megamind had time to figure out the rest.

 

[DuklaNation]

Michkov hasn't looked great in 2 preseason games I've watched. But the talent is undeniable. I just think his rookie season might start slow.

 

[Rob Brown]

I would say he was a liability defensively, had his own share of turnovers, looked timid and very slow.

I'm sure after one of his better games you were probably going off about how it's just preseason and doesn't mean anything.

 

[NyQuil]

Can a Flyer fan provide some insight into the Tortorella - Michkov dynamic thus far?

Haven't seen any headlines so I'm guessing he's been supportive in public and giving him reps in games?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Michkov hasn't looked great in 2 preseason games I've watched. But the talent is undeniable. I just think his rookie season might start slow.

Are we watching the same games? He doesn't look great but has 7 points in 4 games, and could easily have 10+ if people potted the chances he's produced (also he's flubbed some great chances to score), do you really watch his full games? The guy is 19 and consistently generating high danger scoring chances, I'm not attacking you but please explain or elaborate what you're seeing so I can also understand your thought process.

Can a Flyer fan provide some insight into the Tortorella - Michkov dynamic thus far?

Haven't seen any headlines so I'm guessing he's been supportive in public and giving him reps in games?

It appears its going to go a lot more smoothly than people originally thought, but don't hold your breath, we'll see.

 

[antman12]

Can a Flyer fan provide some insight into the Tortorella - Michkov dynamic thus far?

Haven't seen any headlines so I'm guessing he's been supportive in public and giving him reps in games?

By all accounts Torts loves him so far. Hes only coached one preseason game which was last night, but during the other games and last night he was getting plenty of ice time and PP1.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

By all accounts Torts loves him so far. Hes only coached one preseason game which was last night, but during the other games and last night he was getting plenty of ice time and PP1.

I've never seen a teenager outside of the greats, (Crosby, McDavid) obviously Bedard types, be inserted into a powerplay and instantly become the straw the stirs the drink in awhile, Michkov is one of those guys. The Flyers powerplay was anemic for years until this guy touched a puck on it.

 

[DuklaNation]

Are we watching the same games? He doesn't look great but has 7 points in 4 games, and could easily have 10+ if people potted the chances he's produced (also he's flubbed some great chances to score), do you really watch his full games? The guy is 19 and consistently generating high danger scoring chances, I'm not attacking you but please explain or elaborate what you're seeing so I can also understand your thought process.


It appears its going to go a lot more smoothly than people originally thought, but don't hold your breath, we'll see.

Defensively he's way behind but as a winger that's not a huge deal. Getting cheap/empty net points doesn't impress me. Some guys get 0 pts but were much more dangerous offensively. I just think he needs time to adjust more. Doesn't help that Flyers don't have that high gravity center.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Tippett has a gnarly shot and release, great speed, and little else. He has no vision or patience, so when he has the puck in the zone he's either going to bury it in the goalie's logo or make an awkward pass, either way he kills most cycles he's involved in. It's why he's not a great PP contributor. He's also the last guy on the team you want with the puck on his stick on your side of the red line, he's a turnover machine anytime he tries to make an outlet pass.

Tippett succeeds in the Flyers' "shell and counter" style because he's money if you hit him flying up ice with a stretch pass, but he's really frustrating otherwise. You can watch his game for a while and sort of see why Florida wasn't feeling him--even if he can produce in some settings, the lack of versatility limits his usage for a team that plays modern NHL hockey.

Foerster, on the other hand, is really smart. Makes simple, subtle plays to cut off defenders' options and keep them hemmed in, knows how to put the puck to good areas, all that. You're almost looking for a Crosby linemate dynamic...Chris Kunitz didn't have an elite shot, but he didn't need one, because he learned to pay attention and do the right little things so the megamind had time to figure out the rest.

Agree mostly but just like Tippett a little more than you.

Can a Flyer fan provide some insight into the Tortorella - Michkov dynamic thus far?

Haven't seen any headlines so I'm guessing he's been supportive in public and giving him reps in games?

Torts loves him. Has noted his personality on and off the ice. Loves his competitiveness.

Defensively he's way behind but as a winger that's not a huge deal. Getting cheap/empty net points doesn't impress me. Some guys get 0 pts but were much more dangerous offensively. I just think he needs time to adjust more. Doesn't help that Flyers don't have that high gravity center.

He's really not. He's been responsible and back checked with visible effort many times.