Apparently Hughes turned down Cutter Gauthier for 2023 5th OA

[Andy]

I'd prefer to have kept the pick and draft Reinbacher as the habs did.

 

[nhlfan9191]

For his draft class being picked in top-10 deems you as being amongst the elite of your age group as determined by professional scouts…

If a “kid” graduated amongst top 1% of their class in school that “kid” is elite amongst his/her peers, this is no different.

so yes Gauthier falls into elite category amongst his age group .

Now will that elite status translate to NHL level? I dunno, time will tell, if he doesn’t the market will adjust accordingly…

I don’t view being the elite of your age group at 18 as meaning anything. There’s a lot of top 10 draft picks that amount to nothing. You should at least have to establish yourself in the league before you start playing those cards or you’ll lose the integrity of the draft pretty fast.

 

[waitin425]

all that matters is the projection of the players going forward from this point. If you now have Gauthier projected ahead of Reinbacher, you do it. If not, you don't.


And that Marc Dumont article is based on this Philly beat writing claiming he can confirm the Flyers offered Gauthier for the 5th OA pick.

Not sure how credible this Philly writer is...

https://twitter.com/charlieo_conn

If this tweet is true, does anyone else find it interesting that if Philly would have acquired the 5th overall pick, they would have taken Reinbacher as well, while exposing Michkov to Arizona? They wouldn't have taken Michkov at 5th, exposing Reinbacher. It's minor, and who knows what they were thinking, but it is something.

 

[Paddyjack]

If this tweet is true, does anyone else find it interesting that if Philly would have acquired the 5th overall pick, they would have taken Reinbacher as well, while exposing Michkov to Arizona? They wouldn't have taken Michkov at 5th, exposing Reinbacher. It's minor, and who knows what they were thinking, but it is something.

It means they knew Arizona would also pass on Michkov

 

[waitin425]

It means they knew Arizona would also pass on Michkov

How? I'm not sold on this idea that Arizona went around telling other GM's, "hey guys....fyi we are taking Reinbacher if there, and if not, that big tall russian D man." Sure, teams can probably piece it together, or have educated guesses, but nothing was for certain. If Michkov is your number one guy, you don't chance it, you just take him.

 

[hvac412]

I don’t think kids getting paid millions of dollars to play hockey is comparable to people having to rearrange their lives for the safety of themselves and their families during a pandemic. The NHL has rules put in place to help markets acquire and keep talent for a certain period of time with the draft. It’s not a big issue now, but in my opinion If you get to many kids dictating where they will and won’t play right out of the draft, it could cause problems down the road for franchises that players view as less desirable. But that may be an overreaction on my part.

Welcome to the new generation,Calgary went threw the same thing with VETS,Lucic mentioned that when the vets wanted out it was because Calgary was a boring place to live.Tony Granato said that would have never happened in his time.

 

[Ozmodiar]

By drafting Reinbacher, he also said no to Leonard, Perreault, Michkov, ASP, etc.

He likes Reinbacher. Simple.

 

[Wats]

From TSN 690 just now.... via this I assume:

Canadiens Reportedly Turned Down Cutter Gauthier Trade

The Montreal Canadiens could have added Cutter Gauthier to their prospect pool, according to a recent report. The Philadelphia Flyers reportedly offered the Habs a trade that involved Gauthier in exchange for the fifth overall pick at the 2023 NHL Entry Draft. The Canadiens refused the deal...

montrealhockeynow.com

Flyers were high on Reinbacher as well..... in hindsight, would you have pulled the trigger?

I say yes Hughes shouldve taken the deal (provided Gauthier wouldve come to MTL)

If he can't handle being a Flyer, he'd never make it on the Habs.

 

[Team_Spirit]

So the report is a Habs blog quoting Charlie O'Connor twitter, a Flyers fansite blogger, saying he heard a rumor? Seems legit

what I heard is 18 teams list and all of Canada excluded. Should I start a blog?

 

[SOLR]

So the report is a Habs blog quoting Charlie O'Connor twitter, a Flyers fansite blogger, saying he heard a rumor? Seems legit

what I heard is 18 teams list and all of Canada excluded. Should I start a blog?

Yeah for sure, call it "Elevate with Team Spirit"

 

[Paddyjack]

How? I'm not sold on this idea that Arizona went around telling other GM's, "hey guys....fyi we are taking Reinbacher if there, and if not, that big tall russian D man." Sure, teams can probably piece it together, or have educated guesses, but nothing was for certain. If Michkov is your number one guy, you don't chance it, you just take him.

Two things: in one way it means Reinbacher was a better pick (or at least safer) than Michkov, and secondly, that what we heard about Arizona set on Reinbacher was true.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Defensemen with Reinbacher's profile are always desired by NHL teams, regardless of whether they end up being a #1 or a #4 in an NHL lineup.

I would have seriously considered the trade if it was a realistic possibility, partially because I'm not quite as high on Reinbacher as others here, partially because someone like Gauthier would round out our offensive unit. Regarding the 2024 Draft, I could not consider it at the time of the decision, but some catchup over the past few weeks has been intruiged with the options available.

 

[GrandBison]

So it means that both Hughes and Brière wanted Reinbacher more than Gauthier?

 

[salbutera]

How? I'm not sold on this idea that Arizona went around telling other GM's, "hey guys....fyi we are taking Reinbacher if there, and if not, that big tall russian D man." Sure, teams can probably piece it together, or have educated guesses, but nothing was for certain. If Michkov is your number one guy, you don't chance it, you just take him.

Michkov refused to meet with Arizona, and Yotes had indicated they wanted a Dman

 

[waitin425]

Michkov refused to meet with Arizona, and Yotes had indicated they wanted a Dman

Who did they indicate that too. I read and saw the same things during the draft and lead up. Why, from a strategic standpoint would they leak that? Was it fan speculation or team confirmation? I for sure think, teams make educated guesses on what other teams will do, but nothing is for sure.

In addition to Michkov refusing to meet with Arizona, there is nothing stopping them from still selecting him or trading back. They literally could have shopped that 6th pick to a team interested in Michkov and still acquired the D man they wanted. And Philly (if picking 5th and 7th) had no way of knowing that. Again, why would Philly risk not getting Michkov at 5th, and instead have selected Rein.

Speculation on my part, but I think the consensus value on Reinbacher league wide, was significantly higher than we are giving credit for.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Who did they indicate that too. I read and saw the same things during the draft and lead up. Why, from a strategic standpoint would they leak that? Was it fan speculation or team confirmation? I for sure think, teams make educated guesses on what other teams will do, but nothing is for sure.

In addition to Michkov refusing to meet with Arizona, there is nothing stopping them from still selecting him or trading back. They literally could have shopped that 6th pick to a team interested in Michkov and still acquired the D man they wanted. And Philly (if picking 5th and 7th) had no way of knowing that. Again, why would Philly risk not getting Michkov at 5th, and instead have selected Rein.

Speculation on my part, but I think the consensus value on Reinbacher league wide, was significantly higher than we are giving credit for.

It was and it was out there for anyone to see.. but people wanted to believe only the narratives that aligned with their own.

I was telling this board for weeks.. and my information wasn't from me, it was from the connected scouting staff and people around the combine and draft.

 

[salbutera]

Who did they indicate that too. I read and saw the same things during the draft and lead up. Why, from a strategic standpoint would they leak that? Was it fan speculation or team confirmation? I for sure think, teams make educated guesses on what other teams will do, but nothing is for sure.

In addition to Michkov refusing to meet with Arizona, there is nothing stopping them from still selecting him or trading back. They literally could have shopped that 6th pick to a team interested in Michkov and still acquired the D man they wanted. And Philly (if picking 5th and 7th) had no way of knowing that. Again, why would Philly risk not getting Michkov at 5th, and instead have selected Rein.

Speculation on my part, but I think the consensus value on Reinbacher league wide, was significantly higher than we are giving credit for.

Preds offer for 5OA per their beat writer was believed to be for Orville Redenbacher as well

 

[26Mats]

If this tweet is true, does anyone else find it interesting that if Philly would have acquired the 5th overall pick, they would have taken Reinbacher as well, while exposing Michkov to Arizona? They wouldn't have taken Michkov at 5th, exposing Reinbacher. It's minor, and who knows what they were thinking, but it is something.

I think it had come out that Michkov wasn't going to go to Arizona, and perhaps also that Arizona wanted a Dman.

 

[waitin425]

I think it had come out that Michkov wasn't going to go to Arizona, and perhaps also that Arizona wanted a Dman.

I think that came out as well. But again, regardless of what Arizona was believed to be doing at the time. If I am Philly, and I am sitting there with 5 and 7, I am taking the player I value most at 5, and selecting the next person on the board at 7. It is too much of a wildcard what could happen at 6.

Could you imagine, you are Danny Briere with a big stiff one for Michkov. You have just selected 5th after trading away an offensive threat, and picked Reinbacher. You are confident that Arizona is not going to pick Michkov. Bettman approaches the microphone. "We have another trade to announce. Arizona has traded the 6th overall pick...."

No way you are taking that chance, if Michkov is your guy!

Maybe Philly would have been willing to gamble (however small) not getting Michkov, even though he was their target, we will never know.

Still, to me, this indicates Rein was ahead of Michkov on not only the Habs and Arizona board, but also Philly's.

 

[McGees]

A 5 overall moody winger from a lesser draft
Or a 5 overall RD?

Too soon to tell.

 

[WeThreeKings]

A 5 overall moody winger from a lesser draft
Or a 5 overall RD?

Too soon to tell.

If people liked how Pacioretty played at the end where he sat on the outside and took every shot he could possibly take.. they'd like Gauthier.

Great player but not without massive headaches.

 

[GrandBison]

Reinbacher dropped in the draft depth chart the day he became a Hab.

 

[26Mats]

I think that came out as well. But again, regardless of what Arizona was believed to be doing at the time. If I am Philly, and I am sitting there with 5 and 7, I am taking the player I value most at 5, and selecting the next person on the board at 7. It is too much of a wildcard what could happen at 6.

Could you imagine, you are Danny Briere with a big stiff one for Michkov. You have just selected 5th after trading away an offensive threat, and picked Reinbacher. You are confident that Arizona is not going to pick Michkov. Bettman approaches the microphone. "We have another trade to announce. Arizona has traded the 6th overall pick...."

No way you are taking that chance, if Michkov is your guy!

Maybe Philly would have been willing to gamble (however small) not getting Michkov, even though he was their target, we will never know.

Still, to me, this indicates Rein was ahead of Michkov on not only the Habs and Arizona board, but also Philly's.

These are good points.

It's hard for me to know for sure.

What I do know is that, while it's interesting that many teams had Reinbacher ahead of Michkov, all that matters is how well Reinbacher in particular, and also Michkov, do in their careers. We'll see then how the pick turns out. It sure is nice to see Slaf coming along well.

 

[morhilane]

If people liked how Pacioretty played at the end where he sat on the outside and took every shot he could possibly take.. they'd like Gauthier.

Great player but not without massive headaches.

And the Habs fans would have found a Pacioready equivalent real fast for Gauthier.

 

[Canadienna]

I think it was 5 for Gauthier only, not a swap, hence the rumor saying that they would pick Reinbacher at 5 and still get Michkov at 7

Ah maybe. I misread the tweet.

Well it doesn't matter to me as Michkov >> Gauthier and Reinbacher.