Rumor: Apparent Culture/Chemistry issue in Canucks dressing room- Big changes coming this Summer. Lets hear your proposals/predictions

[UrbanImpact]

there is talk that one of the Leafs core 4 are going to be moved this off season, if that happens I'd be open to a Nylander/Garland deal.

I think Nylander is the guy that's most likely to be moved and I wanted Garland when he was in Arizona.

I don't want to move a core piece but if it is done I'd target Vancouver and Garland

I would not mind a Garland for Nylander trade at all although that would really make our forward extremely extremely soft and perimeter based especially if we move Miller as well.

Garland for as small as he is, is very feisty, battles hard and goes to tough areas of the ice like the blue crease and in front of the net.

 

[UrbanImpact]

The stuff that came out about Hamonic after the trade was kind of eye opening. Not that I think he's some blameless saint, but usually that type of stuff isn't celebrated so openly. It's clear there's a divide over there given the amount of smoke.

Would hope the Sens would kick tires on Boeser/Garland. One of the only true holes left on the roster is a bonafide top-six RW and either guy could make a nice fit. Feels like they both have their warts, but would be a trmendous upgrade on what's currently available.

What would Ottawa offer? their 1st round picks would be way too much value for Garland or Boeser. 2nd rnd is not enough.

Which prospects do you think Ottawa can dangle that can return Garland or Boeser?

 

[wonton15]

The stuff that came out about Hamonic after the trade was kind of eye opening. Not that I think he's some blameless saint, but usually that type of stuff isn't celebrated so openly. It's clear there's a divide over there given the amount of smoke.

Would hope the Sens would kick tires on Boeser/Garland. One of the only true holes left on the roster is a bonafide top-six RW and either guy could make a nice fit. Feels like they both have their warts, but would be a trmendous upgrade on what's currently available.

I always thought Boeser to Ottawa could be a trade fit. What would a return look like? We'd probably aim for a 1st and/or RHD. Young forward with speed could be a target too.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Seems like a bit of a mirror to Winnipeg. You have an all business, somewhat abrasive alpha who demands buy in to "x" way of doing things and then you have some kindler, gentler (albeit talented) souls who chafe ender that type of approach. I would say Miller, Boeser, and Myers are all gone. Some of it's money, some of it's culture, and some of it is playing style/approach to the game.

 

[Coffee]

there is talk that one of the Leafs core 4 are going to be moved this off season, if that happens I'd be open to a Nylander/Garland deal.

I think Nylander is the guy that's most likely to be moved and I wanted Garland when he was in Arizona.

I don't want to move a core piece but if it is done I'd target Vancouver and Garland

Lol If Nylander is going to Vancouver, #40 is coming back the other way

 

[Siludin]

We shall see but there were lots of leaks during TDL here in Van that NYR had massive interest for Miller and had a big offer for him and Motte but Van just didnt want to trrade Miller away in the middle of a playoff push. NYR just got Motte instead.

I think they will re-visit those proposals in the off-season.

I'm hoping the 1st round pick is for next year tho and not this summer's.

I think NYR got Copp instead of Miller, rather than Motte instead of Miller.
I think they will try to retain Copp rather than acquire Miller at this point, personally.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

there is talk that one of the Leafs core 4 are going to be moved this off season, if that happens I'd be open to a Nylander/Garland deal.

I think Nylander is the guy that's most likely to be moved and I wanted Garland when he was in Arizona.

I don't want to move a core piece but if it is done I'd target Vancouver and Garland

As good of a player as Nylander is he doesn't seem to be a favorite of Keefe. Could see him being moved for sure.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Lol If Nylander is going to Vancouver, #40 is coming back the other way

No he's not, leafs and Canucks don't make good trading partners anyways.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Seems like a bit of a mirror to Winnipeg. You have an all business, somewhat abrasive alpha who demands buy in to "x" way of doing things and then you have some kindler, gentler (albeit talented) souls who chafe ender that type of approach. I would say Miller, Boeser, and Myers are all gone. Some of it's money, some of it's culture, and some of it is playing style/approach to the game.

Can definitely see that,

Miller being an Alpha, loud, angry leader

while others like Horvat, Boeser, Hughes, Petterson, Garland are more subtle and relaxed.

Not to say either side is wrong but sometimes it just doesnt mesh.

A balance between is needed.

I know there have been reports that management isnt happy with how "relaxed" the practice culture is in Van. So there is definitely evidence that some of the "laid back" individuals will be on the move.

 

[McJedi]

Honest guess is that they'll do everything they can to trade Boeser and will explore Miller and Myers all offseason long. Garland is more of a long shot to me if they can swap him for a competent RHD. Other than that, I don't see foundation shaking trades.

Boeser being an RFA with gross qualifying offer at $7.5mm. Meh. His trade value is so low. Moving those negotiating rights will bring, at best, a modest return. Like a 2nd round pick or B level prospect.

Frees up cap space and a top six role but doesn’t do anything for the rebuilding of the roster.

To LA Kings. Negotiating rights to Boeser.
To Vancouver. Helge Grans + nothing else.

 

[biturbo19]

Letting JT Miller go would be a huge mistake unless they're sure he won't re-sign

I mean, the problem with signing JT Miller is...his value is at an all-time high, so the ask is going to be huge. And he's also not really young anymore. That contract is going to be long...too long. So as much as moving him might be a mistake in the short-term...i don't know how Vancouver can actually commit to what it'll cost to keep him. It just seems destined to end up being a regrettable contract. So moving him makes sense, to at least recoup something out of the situation while his value is at that all-time high.

 

[isles55]

But they already traded Hamonic?

 

[wonton15]

Boeser being an RFA with gross qualifying offer at $7.5mm. Meh. His trade value is so low. Moving those negotiating rights will bring, at best, a modest return. Like a 2nd round pick or B level prospect.

Frees up cap space and a top six role but doesn’t do anything for the rebuilding of the roster.

To LA Kings. Negotiating rights to Boeser.
To Vancouver. Helge Grans and nothing else.

QO of $7.5m doesn't mean he can't be signed for under that. But I agree, it's not a good situation. He has disappeared and tends to float this season when he's not being fed shots. Not fast enough to play an up tempo Bruce style.

I would do a Grans trade and drive Boeser to the airport at this point. Doubt LA wants or needs that though.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Miller to NYR for young roster player, top prospect, 1st round pick

Didn't we do this already?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

As good of a player as Nylander is he doesn't seem to be a favorite of Keefe. Could see him being moved for sure.

I mean there isn't really much choice you aren't breaking up Bunting-Matthews-Marner that line has been incredible

Tavares has a NMC and if you moved him who would be your #2 center

so that Leaves Nylander

I like the idea of Garland/Nylander because it clears a little bit of salary for Toronto and doesn't hurt them to much offensivelyI think Garland could score 25-30 here I mean he scored 22 in Arizona.

On the other hand when Dubas singed Nylander it came out that he gave Nylander his word he would not trade him as long as he was GM so we will see if he goes back on his word.

 

[Phrasing]

This entire thread is a redux pre TDL. It's not going to end well, most of the rumors amounted to nothing pre TDL, and this will just end up being a pissing contest between fans.

 

[Tact]

This entire thread is a redux pre TDL. It's not going to end well, most of the rumors amounted to nothing pre TDL, and this will just end up being a pissing contest between fans.

You said exactly my thoughts. All fake news.

 

[McJedi]

QO of $7.5m doesn't mean he can't be signed for under that. But I agree, it's not a good situation. He has disappeared and tends to float this season when he's not being fed shots. Not fast enough to play an up tempo Bruce style.

I would do a Grans trade and drive Boeser to the airport at this point. Doubt LA wants or needs that though.

LA needs goal scoring.

Boeser isn’t going to negotiate a long term deal in Vancouver. Nor will they offer him a good one. He’s got good leverage with that QO. So It’s QO at $7.5mm or released to UFA for Boeser as it relates to Vancouver.

He may sign for less else elsewhere.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I get that thats how people know Farhan,

but he is also the beat writer for TSN when it comes to the Canucks.

He covers everything from training camp, trade deadline, offseason and travels road games.

Not sure why we are questioning his credentials here.

Hmm, I guess I've only seen him talking about the CFL.
But it's not like he's breaking news here, Vancouver's locker room issues have been pretty well known..at least that there are issues in the room, not who the issue is

 

[kinghock]

According to Farhan Lalji of TSN and other reports there is a culture chemistry issue in Van.

There isnt necessarily a "cancer" in the locker room but there have been many reports that something is off in terms of chemistry and culture within the team. Some will tell you its JT Miller's abrasive personality while other reports say there are too many " relaxed" "chill" guys on the team who dont show enough intensity especially when it comes to practices. Whatever the case is, there are reports that the new management will be very very this off-season and will turn this roster upside down fit more of their liking.

Apparently everyone is available except for Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, Podkolzin.

What is your prediction on who comes and goes this summer?

Some players that might be of interest

-JT Miller- 1 yr left. 5.2 mil AAV. 93 pts in 75 games thus far
- 7.2 mil qualifying offer as RFA- however he wants long term contract probably around 6.75. Pure Sniper
- Horvat- One of if not the best face off guy in the NHL- 30 goals in 70 games. 27 yrs old
- Garland- signed long term at a very good AAV- ultra skilled and endless motor- small in size
- Hoglander- hit a sophmore slump this season before season ending injury. but is very skilled
- Myers- say what you will about the contract but he is a big right shot dman and has played like a top pairing Dman this season.
- OEL- similar to Myers, contract is big but he has been an excellent top pairing Dman this season.
- Rathbone- promising young offensive LHD- 5'10. Destroying the AHL in his rookie season- 39 pts in 35 games. He might be blocked into making the big team as Hughes and OEL are present.


The one consistent message that Allvin and Rutherford have said is that they are looking for cap relief and cap space and arent opposed to taking a step back next season in order to be competitive 2-3 years from now. Which means picks and prospects are welcomed.

Predictions? Proposals?

my 2 cents

Boeser to LA for 1st and D man prospect
Miller to NYR for young roster player, top prospect, 1st round pick

JT Miller- needed only by desperate contending team who do not care what is going to happen in 3 years. Trading value is difficult to estimate.

Horvat- first round pick

Garland- first round pick

Rathbone-2 round pick

Hoglander- 2/3 round pick

Myers- it will be difficult to find taker without incentives

OEL- nobody wants him

P.S. No in regard to Boeser to LA, period

 

[Tob]

We shall see but there were lots of leaks during TDL here in Van that NYR had massive interest for Miller and had a big offer for him and Motte but Van just didnt want to trrade Miller away in the middle of a playoff push. NYR just got Motte instead.

I think they will re-visit those proposals in the off-season.

I'm hoping the 1st round pick is for next year tho and not this summer's.

The offer from Drury was a combination of Drury not over the moon about re-signing Strome long term as the 2C because he's not a well rounded player and a bit dumb plus the writing on the wall for the future of Kravtsov and the lack of a spot of Lundkvist with Schneider as the prospect of the future. 6 months ago, if Miller could be had for prospects/picks that are not roster players for the Rangers, that would allow Drury to let Strome walk, give Chytil time to develop into a 2C when Miller walks in 2024, and upgrade their center depth for 2 playoff runs. A creative solution to the problem at C using good quality but spare prospects. If nothing else, it will allow them to kick the can down the road on finding a long term solution in 2024 instead of 2022.

Now that Drury has acquired Copp and he's meshed well with the team and Panarin, I think he'll be able to find a contract he likes with either Copp or Strome. Whichever of Strome/Copp they like for a ~5X5 deal plus keeping the ask of 1st, young roster player, and top prospect is a much better option that 1 year of Miller. The Rangers have too much cap constraints upcoming to throw away that package of prospect, pick, and young roster player.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

This entire thread is a redux pre TDL. It's not going to end well, most of the rumors amounted to nothing pre TDL, and this will just end up being a pissing contest between fans.

 

[bh53]

Miller to NYR for young roster player, top prospect, 1st round pick

Myers isn't returning that

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

LA needs goal scoring.

Boeser isn’t going to negotiate a long term deal in Vancouver. Nor will they offer him a good one. He’s got good leverage with that QO. So It’s QO at $7.5mm or released to UFA for Boeser as it relates to Vancouver.

He may sign for less else elsewhere.

Care to share the source for this?

 

[McJedi]

This entire thread is a redux pre TDL. It's not going to end well, most of the rumors amounted to nothing pre TDL, and this will just end up being a pissing contest between fans.

I recall a lot of Vancouver fans getting bent they didn’t receive great interest and/or exciting offers for many of their players.

Boeser’s RFA rights aren’t valuable. You’re not getting a 9 OA pick value for Garland. Miller is now a rental. And so on.