Rumor: Apparent Culture/Chemistry issue in Canucks dressing room- Big changes coming this Summer. Lets hear your proposals/predictions

[kerrabria]

It's probably unrelated because he's not a great hockey player, but last time there was a culture issue in LA, the first to go was Tanner Pearson.

Interesting because when the Pens made that Hagelin/Pearson trade to jump start the locker room, Pearson lasted three months before being moved again, and JR tried to find a loophole in the rules to get Hagelin back.

 

[kerrabria]

OEL was willing to stay an extra year in Arizona because he would only waive for Vancouver or Boston, right?
Hard to imagine that he agrees to move again.

 

[Bevans]

i never said anything about the though they had 3 1D… because they don’t

Yes. Exactly. Trick question.

 

[Djp]

Canucks don't need to do a rebuild, but they need a retool.

I see us dealing Miller and one of Garland or Boeser.
People who think they're buying incredibly low on Boeser need to remember he led our team in scoring a year ago. The only way he goes for cheap is if he is incredibly stubborn on his qualifying offer/next contract.

Myers might go if someone wants him. He's been really good this year but that has primarily been due to OEL. He's an RD with great tools and he's a good teammate, but his hockey sense isn't great. He needs a really steady intelligent partner to play off of. Reason we would trade him would be to free up cap space.

I see the team definitely building around Petey, Hughes, Demko, Podz, and Horvat. I hope Hoglander is on this list too, and I don't see anyone trading for OEL, but it's also important to note that, contract aside (and that's a big aside), OEL is a really good top 4 D who can solidify a pairing on his own. So keeping him won't really hurt until year 4 or 5 of his deal unless he gets too dinged up and loses a step. He can't afford to lose a step.

Canucks need to turn Miller and one of Garland or Boeser into a good young RD, some draft capital, a decent young forward or two, and some cap space. If they do so and choose well, that's most of the retool done. If not, things get harder.

what is Boesser QO? His stats do not support such salary. Anyone who aquifers him probably want him under contract More than just the 2 yrs till UFA

Miller given his age is not going to Return what you think

 

[StickShift]

OEL was willing to stay an extra year in Arizona because he would only waive for Vancouver or Boston, right?
Hard to imagine that he agrees to move again.

Rather than type it out again—here’s a post I made back in March about OEL and whether he may move on from Vancouver:

There was a quote from OEL earlier this year about why he finally waived his NMC to leave Arizona and he said something like “you don’t want to be where you are not wanted”.

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‘You don’t want to be somewhere they don’t want you’: Oliver Ekman-Larsson on leaving Arizona, transition with Canucks

The Athletic caught up with Vancouver's matchup defender for a lengthy 1-on-1 interview following a practice this past weekend.

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And then his agent Kevin Epp was on Donnie and Dhali later on complaining about the Vancouver Twitterverse and media and how no players wants to be here.



And now Epp’s other Vancouver player Travis Hamonic has been traded away. Wouldn’t be shocked if Epp's handling of his players this season and his comments about this market had some influence.

I wouldn’t be shocked if either (A) the new management group doesn’t want OEL around and they’ve made that known, and/or (B) if OEL himself would be open to moving on to another team again if the opportunity presented itself.

Of course that is only one piece of the puzzle. His contract is such an albatross that it would take a special GM to acquire it. Most of those GMs already run capped-out teams.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I don’t see it as 0% chance that OEL is moved.

More like 3%.

 

[Bankerguy]

Boeser - when you look at his career total goals, against total games played, he's a 30 goal pace player.
He usually misses 10 - 15 games a year so he's never hit 30 goals but if you have him on your team, and if he's plyaing he'll score at a 30 goal pace.
I would say he doesnt bring much else aside from very good goal scoring (shot). To me he's a first line player but LOWER END first line player.
I would be totally okay moving him for help on D

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Canucks have 3 top pairing Dmen but haven't been in a playoff spot all year, but other fans are rating their players wrong lol

We have one top paring dman, his name is Quinn Hughes. Anyone saying otherwise is wildly uninformed.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

What??? Quinn Hughes is a top-pairing offensive dman but is abysmal defensively. OEL is on the downside of his career. Who else are you considering top pairing? lol

Look at that, another "expert" who hasn't watched Quinn all season.......

 

[Cor]

Canucks need solid veteran like Jake Muzzin. Kyle Clifford too.

I think those two for Thatcher Demko makes sense.

 

[Siludin]

Canucks need solid veteran like Jake Muzzin. Kyle Clifford too.

I think those two for Thatcher Demko makes sense.

Only if you throw in Simmonds and the rights to Jason Spezza

 

[Cor]

Only if you throw in Simmonds and the rights to Jason Spezza

Don't be ridiculous.

Jason Spezza would never want to leave us.

Simmonds sure. and we'll toss in Carl Dahlstrom to make up for Spezza

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Assuming he waives / they aren't on his NT list

To VAN

6th Rounder

To BUF

Myers, no retention

 

[bossram]

Boeser - when you look at his career total goals, against total games played, he's a 30 goal pace player.
He usually misses 10 - 15 games a year so he's never hit 30 goals but if you have him on your team, and if he's plyaing he'll score at a 30 goal pace.
I would say he doesnt bring much else aside from very good goal scoring (shot). To me he's a first line player but LOWER END first line player.
I would be totally okay moving him for help on D

His per 82 game pace averages out to 65 points. He's ~15th in cumulative RW scoring since 18-19. He is a very legit 1st line player. That kind of production is valuable and not easily replaced.

The Canucks need cap flexibility, so they should look at trade options for Boeser (and anyone really). But just moving him for the sake of it because he's "expendable", well...he's really not. This is a Canucks team that already doesn't score enough goals.

 

[McRanger92]

The acquisition of Copp and his natural chemistry with Panarin pretty much allows that JT Miller to NYR potential deal to die a quiet "what if" death

Yup. Vancouver missed the boat on getting a big haul from the Rangers for JT at the deadline. Copp has been a good fit and Miller's value to the NYR was largely tied to him having 2 years left at a reasonable cap hit.

 

[Jojalu]

I would not mind a Garland for Nylander trade at all although that would really make our forward extremely extremely soft and perimeter based especially if we move Miller as well.

Garland for as small as he is, is very feisty, battles hard and goes to tough areas of the ice like the blue crease and in front of the net.

Terrible take. You realise Nylander does not play on the perimeter and leads the Leafs in goals scored in front of the net for the past two years.

 

[paulhiggins]

Out via trade: Canucks locker room cancers

In via trade: other teams' locker room cancers


Sounds fair to me!

 

[McJedi]

Boeser to Boston, Debrusk to Vancouver sounds like something that could happen.

Interesting. Maybe. I like it.

 

[McJedi]

Wouldn’t mind Boeser in WPG, depending on what his ask is… definitely not paying him 7.5m, but 6.5 would work, with limited to no trade protection.
Would need to trade or buyout Wheeler and move Perfetti to 2C or Ehlers back to LW.

So buyout Wheeler then. Let’s get that part clear. He’s not tradable.

 

[McJedi]

Kings want nothing to do with this. Maybe Colorado would...

Don’t have the cap space. And Avs don’t need goal scoring. The kings need a lot more scoring.

 

[Nucks4Life]

We shall see but there were lots of leaks during TDL here in Van that NYR had massive interest for Miller and had a big offer for him and Motte but Van just didnt want to trrade Miller away in the middle of a playoff push. NYR just got Motte instead.

I think they will re-visit those proposals in the off-season.

I'm hoping the 1st round pick is for next year tho and not this summer's.

The rumour was NYR didn't offer the players Vancouver wanted. They were offering the second teir and a first rounder (Lundqvist, Chytl and a first vs. Schnieder, Lafreniere and a first).

 

[Nucks4Life]

As the OP has mentioned the issue is not a cancer but an 'attitude' in the locker room where mediocrity has clearly become acceptable. You could see it in their inability to prepare for games which caused the slow starts and alot of losses, the losses to bottom feeder teams, and a repeated inability to win key games in the season.

There is some credit due to them for how they really pushed at the end but a few games ago Boudreau said something very enlightening. That they were trying to coach out bad habits. That was clearly a shot at Green and Baumgartner but also the players.

I think Miller is a player they would prefer to keep but will come down to what he wants money wise and term

Boudreau last post game mentioned how garland's motor is what we need more of and that he wants him here next year, so that says he's going no where and that's the right decision. He actually aligns with what JR and Alvin have been saying they want, fast, no quit players.

Clearly QH, EP, TD, Podz are the main core.

I see Boeser as definitely the odd man out as the concern over speed and intensity are noticeable with him. He would fit well with a speedy team with a playmaking center (Barzal, Crosby) but not into this mix.

I also see Meyers moved simply for cap reasons and he will be wanted around the league.

I could see Bo moved after those comments as well.

 

[Nucks4Life]

Interesting. Maybe. I like it.

I prefer Boeser to the Isles (who are desperate for scoring and whom Boeser would fit perfectly on a line with Barzal - fast playmaking center) for Aatu Raty and their first this year.

Canucks should have grabbed Raty with their 2nd last year (took Klimovich so its hard to be mad because he also looks to be a gem), but Raty is looking like what he was expected to be in the Liiga (40 pts in 42 games), Center, big, 200 ft player (hello 2/3C).

Not sure if we can pry their first but maybe a swap and we can draft a top RD as well.

Frees up cap for us, gives us a legit 3C prospect and we get our RD in the draft we need.
Isles give up a prospect and trade down a bit and get a winger who with Barzal can score 35-40 on a team that is missing the playoffs because they can't score.

Good trade all around in my view - and the reality is we are taking most of the risk here as we are taking futures. Isles are getting a proven 25 goal scorer with upside and that's nothing to scoff at

 

[McJedi]

I prefer Boeser to the Isles (who are desperate for scoring and whom Boeser would fit perfectly on a line with Barzal - fast playmaking center) for Aatu Raty and their first this year.

Canucks should have grabbed Raty with their 2nd last year (took Klimovich so its hard to be mad because he also looks to be a gem), but Raty is looking like what he was expected to be in the Liiga (40 pts in 42 games), Center, big, 200 ft player (hello 2/3C).

Not sure if we can pry their first but maybe a swap and we can draft a top RD as well.

Frees up cap for us, gives us a legit 3C prospect and we get our RD in the draft we need.
Isles give up a prospect and trade down a bit and get a winger who with Barzal can score 35-40 on a team that is missing the playoffs because they can't score.

Good trade all around in my view - and the reality is we are taking most of the risk here as we are taking futures. Isles are getting a proven 25 goal scorer with upside and that's nothing to scoff at

Are you high? A lottery 1st and Raty for Boeser’s negotiation rights. That’s insane over value. Absolutely remove any notions of a 1st round pick from any team for Boeser’s negotiation rights and I still don’t think the Isles do it for just Raty.

Until Boeser is under contract, his value is low and dubious given that brutal qualifying offer he holds. His unimpressive season doesn’t help the value cause either.

Boeser is the least valued asset Vancouver would realistically like to move. Myers and OEL are not tradable so they don’t factor into this discussion.

 

[Huffer]

So buyout Wheeler then. Let’s get that part clear. He’s not tradable.

100% disagree.

The Jets could retain 2-3 million for 2 years which would make Wheeler a 65-75 point veteran winger who's making between 5.2 and 6.2 million. That's easily tradeable. If the Jets even want to go down that road though.

Have 0 interest in Boeser though.

 

[Nucks4Life]

Are you high? A lottery 1st and Raty for Boeser’s negotiation rights. That’s insane over value. Absolutely remove any notions of a 1st round pick from any team for Boeser’s negotiation rights and I still don’t think the Isles do it for just Raty.

Until Boeser is under contract, his value is low and dubious given that brutal qualifying offer he holds. His unimpressive season doesn’t help the value cause either.

Boeser is the least valued asset Vancouver would realistically like to move. Myers and OEL are not tradable so they don’t factor into this discussion.

its called a sign and trade...

and I posted the idea in the isles forum and they seem ok with it. more likely a swap of firsts (assuming not top 3) but no one is calling me insane

You think 25-30 goal scorers grow on trees? Go look at the leading scorer totals for the Isles over the last 4 years. Barzal with a high of 62 points.

They literally cannot score. A 24/25 year old who's put up .80ppg and .42 goals per game in his career is not junk dude.

This is also not a video game, a draft pick doesn't guarantee anything, and this year is a weak draft. Futures have alot more risk than a proven 25-30 goal scorer in the NHL. My lord people think draft picks are like winning golden tickets to Willie Wonka's chocolate factory.

Go look at how often draft picks dont amount to much, hell look at Jake, OJ and many in that draft. Too many people over value draft picks. What we are doing is getting futures to clear space and giving them a YOUNG 25-30 goal scorer - I think you need to realize that. Boeser is not "junk"

but carry on