Anze Kopitar (MOD WARNING Post #52)

Wonder how long Sutter keeps trying Carter\kopitar. That mix sucks and always has.

Yes, it's killing Carter's production in my opinion. Carter was fine with Toffoli and Pearson. Stoll is fine with Brown and Williams, although I wouldn't be opposed to putting Williams and Brown back with Kopitar to see if they could get him going.

What do people want from him? For him to change his game from what has worked so well? Or for him to be more flashy to pass the eye test as opposed to playing a boring consistent game that contributes to wins

He is winning the possession battle vs top opposition. So he is doing is job

I would like to see him get to the net and shoot the damn puck more often, so until he starts doing that, he isn't doing his job.

Well then just let him leave, so we can stop having this stupid threads every few months.

That's just it. Do we have this discussion about Quick or Doughty every damn season? Say Kopitar gets 50 points this season, how much should Lombardi pay him?
 
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Well then just let him leave, so we can stop having this stupid threads every few months.

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Yes, it's killing Carter's production in my opinion. Carter was fine with Toffoli and Pearson. Stoll is fine with Brown and Williams, although I wouldn't be opposed to putting Williams and Brown back with Kopitar to see if they could get him going.



I would like to see him get to the net and shoot the damn puck more often, so until he starts doing that, he isn't doing his job.



That's just it. Do we have this discussion about Quick or Doughty every damn season? Say Kopitar gets 50 points this season, how much should Lombardi pay him?

Don't agree with you on this one.

If u think 1 outlier year in points isn't doing his job (while being the best forward) and is now in the same category as krejci and stasny so should get paid only xx....... I wouldn't agree at all. He has led the kings in scoring pretty much ever year while being a damn good possession player and a selke finalist....then your expectations might be too high

Remove kopitar from this team without getting someone better, and I don't think we sniff anything past the first round of the playoffs. I would pay him whatever is the market for a number 1 center... If that's 9-10 million, so be it.

Dean shows loyalty towards his players. He will show loyalty to kopitar even if he has 1 down season.
 
Don't agree with you on this one.

If u think 1 outlier year in points isn't doing his job (while being the best forward) and is now in the same category as krejci and stasny so should get paid only xx....... I wouldn't agree at all. He has led the kings in scoring pretty much ever year while being a damn good possession player and a selke finalist....then your expectations might be too high

Remove kopitar from this team without getting someone better, and I don't think we sniff anything past the first round of the playoffs. I would pay him whatever is the market for a number 1 center... If that's 9-10 million, so be it.

Dean shows loyalty towards his players. He will show loyalty to kopitar even if he has 1 down season.

I could see this happening. It is definitely frustrating to see this happen every season, and it puts him a notch below the guys making $9M-$10M a season IMO.

There are #1 centers, and then there are #1 centers. Kopitar is not Crosby, Malkin, or Stamkos. I pretty much agree with the previous poster that said Kopitar belongs in the Getzlaf class. The way Kopitar is playing over the last few seasons, I would be happy at around $8M a season, with the understanding that the cap is not going to see the percentage increases that it has in the past.
 
I could see this happening. It is definitely frustrating to see this happen every season, and it puts him a notch below the guys making $9M-$10M a season IMO.

There are #1 centers, and then there are #1 centers. Kopitar is not Crosby, Malkin, or Stamkos. I pretty much agree with the previous poster that said Kopitar belongs in the Getzlaf class. The way Kopitar is playing over the last few seasons, I would be happy at around $8M a season, with the understanding that the cap is not going to see the percentage increases that it has in the past.

Agree with this.... Pissed me off to see the toews contract because that blurs the lines now. I pray for 8, hope for 9, but realistic is closer to 10 (for full market value)... He seems like he could give the discount, but I wouldn't be mad if he didn't.

I realized that he never will be Crosby, Malkin, stamkos, etc a few years ago. He is great center period and while it's frustrating sometimes...we are blessed to see a steady, team guy, top 15 player year in and year out.

Unless Dean pulls a rabbit out of the hat, there aren't many upgrades out there. I want gabby to get healthy because kopitar has had a rotating door if wingers as well this season. I would jettison everyone on the roster except Drew and quick before kopitar if cap problems arise.
 
Yes, it's killing Carter's production in my opinion. Carter was fine with Toffoli and Pearson. Stoll is fine with Brown and Williams, although I wouldn't be opposed to putting Williams and Brown back with Kopitar to see if they could get him going.



I would like to see him get to the net and shoot the damn puck more often, so until he starts doing that, he isn't doing his job.



That's just it. Do we have this discussion about Quick or Doughty every damn season? Say Kopitar gets 50 points this season, how much should Lombardi pay him?

As much as he wants cause nobody cares about the reg season.
And yes we do have threads about Quick and DD every season. BTW I think DD is playing like crap.
 
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Its not player discussion thread. Its the regular yearly crap on Kopitar thread. And guess what, we won 2 cups in 3 years with him being at PPG despite all the "crap on a player" threads.
You know what is funny here. I have never seen a "player discussion" thread when he is playing really well. But I guess that is the nature of fans.
 
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I could see this happening. It is definitely frustrating to see this happen every season, and it puts him a notch below the guys making $9M-$10M a season IMO.

There are #1 centers, and then there are #1 centers. Kopitar is not Crosby, Malkin, or Stamkos. I pretty much agree with the previous poster that said Kopitar belongs in the Getzlaf class. The way Kopitar is playing over the last few seasons, I would be happy at around $8M a season, with the understanding that the cap is not going to see the percentage increases that it has in the past.

sure
 
Its not player discussion thread. Its the regular yearly crap on Kopitar thread. And guess what, we won 2 cups in 3 years with him being at PPG despite all the "crap on a player" threads.
You know what is funny here. I have never seen a "player discussion" thread when he is playing really well. But I guess that is the nature of fans.

Check out the threads on Toffoli, Pearson, and Quick, and Gaborik, all of which were started because they played great. It actually happens quite often here.

Anze isn't up to par right now, everyone knows it, including him. It's not a crap on him thread, more a wondering what the heck is wrong with him thread. Just hoping it's not some nagging injury affecting his power.
 
Check out the threads on Toffoli, Pearson, and Quick, and Gaborik, all of which were started because they played great. It actually happens quite often here.

Anze isn't up to par right now, everyone knows it, including him. It's not a crap on him thread, more a wondering what the heck is wrong with him thread. Just hoping it's not some nagging injury affecting his power.

I meant for Kopi
 
As much as he wants cause nobody cares about the reg season.
And yes we do have threads about Quick and DD every season. BTW I think DD is playing like crap.

Sorry, but no. I wouldn't give Kopitar as much as he wants unless it is a reasonable number. $10M a season for Kopitar would not be a reasonable number.
 
Sorry, but no. I wouldn't give Kopitar as much as he wants unless it is a reasonable number. $10M a season for Kopitar would not be a reasonable number.

Someone else will give it to him and the Kings days of contending are over if that happens.

People can talk about this supposed amazing center depth, but it's basically Kopitar and Carter, Stoll and Richards are not really assets anymore.
 
When I created this thread my intentions weren't to "trash" him. Kopitar's play right now is underwhelming and the stats show it as well (I know stats don't prove everything) I don't see why he should be immune to any criticism when others constantly comment on Quick and Doughty.

No I don't think Kopitar should be traded nor do I see it ever happening. This team will lose its identity imo if we ever trade him or let him sign with another team.
 
Who the hell is even talking about trading him? Some people mistakenly take criticism as a sign of wanting to get rid of a player. Talk about overreaction.

Here's a player who is one of the top 2-3 most important guys on the roster and is performing well below his standards. He's looked considerably weaker when it comes to puck battles and balance. He only has 2 more friggin' points than guys like Richards and Stoll, and look at who Richards has had to play with all season long.

This lackadaisical display by Kopitar has been going on for quite some time now and it is a legitimate concern when he's 6th on the team in points. His play is a big factor in the Kings' win-loss column, and if he continues to struggle like this, then the Kings are going to struggle to hang onto a playoff spot.

For once I think many of us would like to see a semblance of consistent performance from this squad at some point during the regular season. As of today, they're a wildcard team. That doesn't make me feel comfortable if that's where they stand heading into January.
 
Who the hell is even talking about trading him? Some people mistakenly take criticism as a sign of wanting to get rid of a player. Talk about overreaction.

Here's a player who is one of the top 2-3 most important guys on the roster and is performing well below his standards. He's looked considerably weaker when it comes to puck battles and balance. He only has 2 more friggin' points than guys like Richards and Stoll, and look at who Richards has had to play with all season long.

This lackadaisical display by Kopitar has been going on for quite some time now and it is a legitimate concern when he's 6th on the team in points. His play is a big factor in the Kings' win-loss column, and if he continues to struggle like this, then the Kings are going to struggle to hang onto a playoff spot.

For once I think many of us would like to see a semblance of consistent performance from this squad at some point during the regular season. As of today, they're a wildcard team. That doesn't make me feel comfortable if that's where they stand heading into January.

Whats more scary is what would the record look like without Quick/Jones playing lights out ?

The kings would be in the running for McDavid, 30 games into the season....Say what ? LOL.
 
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Extreemly well put. Thanks for saying it. Going after anyone because their opinion is different than someone elses is and continues to be my pet peeve. Too bad the above can't be posted over and over again, until people get that into their heads.:handclap:
 
He disappeared offensively against chicago during playoffs the last two years. And he's still not playing that well, he plays good defense, but started turning over the puck in the offensive zone. Put Carter, Toffoli and Pearson's line back together, and put Richards with Kopitar. Make Kopitar the shooter on that line. Take Carter, and Kopitar off the same P.P unit, they don't play well together.
 
He's never leaving, you pay what you need to keep him, he's one of our absolute best players.

I'm still allowed to be pissed off at the current state of his game.
 
Meh. I have confidence he'll turn it around sooner or later. It makes the Kings frustrating to watch when he's not doing well, but what can you do? I don't know - 2 cups in 3 years makes me pretty Zen about this.
 
I don't think anyone needs to worry about the Kings losing, or not paying Kopitar. You're not going to find another Kopitar, at least not quickly, so he's going to get whatever money he wants. They've signed everyone else. They're not going to just stop at him for some reason.
 
I don't think anyone needs to worry about the Kings losing, or not paying Kopitar. You're not going to find another Kopitar, at least not quickly, so he's going to get whatever money he wants. They've signed everyone else. They're not going to just stop at him for some reason.

Very good point
 

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