And the water?I live in Florida (now) and there's a few things I miss about NY:
Pizza
Bagels
NYR games @ MSG
And that's about it.
And the water?I live in Florida (now) and there's a few things I miss about NY:
Pizza
Bagels
NYR games @ MSG
And that's about it.
So it’s not that you don’t like Pizza. It’s that you are such a well traveled pizza connoisseur that discussing local pizza dives made you chuckle at the plebs.
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One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.
The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America
I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.
Probably time for me to offer my two cents here.
I am a native New Yorker (Long Island) and there is nothing like New York pizza. Nothing.
I worked for Papa John's for four years and I was involved in the beginning (not the culmination) of the negotiations to tie Papa John's to the Rangers. Papa John's makes a good commercial pizza that is better suited for the tastes of mid America. Outside of the Northeast and Chicago, pizza is pretty much the same throughout the country. Papa John's uses very good ingredients and has very good operational procedures. It is a different taste and flavor profile than what most of us grew up with. It is also why companies like Papa John's and Pizza Hut (where I worked for 18 years) do poorly in the Northeast. It's not bad pizza, it's just not our kind of pizza.
And as for John, I know him well and he is a great guy. He treated me with respect and was very kind to my family. I never once saw him say or do anything remotely racist or bigoted (and I had plenty of opportunity to observe) I know far too much background about what was said and not said about health care and racist terms to share here but I can tell you with great confidence that what has been written and said about him is badly exaggerated and simply not reflective of the man.
It's just where my travels have taken me. All absolutely random--something that might even be called chaos theory. I suspect you have places of your own. Above and beyond all that a main problem with the chain pizzerias is they skimp on the quality in favor of quantity and they have no real loyalty to their employees and quite often because of that they get no real loyalty back. Those are some reasons why a neighborhood pizzeria will almost always be better.
I’ve eaten every one of these pizzas as well as many more. St. Louis Pizza is without question the worst of the worst. Absolutely unbeatable and expensive to boot. Pizza hell.One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.
The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America
I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.
The thing I called "Cleveland--style" in my earlier post is apparently Ohio Valley pizza. On the few occasions I tried it, no one told me that's what it was, and since I was in Cleveland and the locals liked it, I assumed it was a Cleveland thing.One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.
The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America
I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.
Ok, I can buy the "real" vs. "done well" thing. That's not totally different than what I'm talking about.It's not about "realness" it's about knowing what you're eating and being able to discern whether or not it's accomplishing what it's supposed to accomplish. I don't care what kind of style pizza I'm eating. I can tell whether or not it's done properly.
Emmy Squared in Brooklyn does Detroit style pizza. It's heavenly. Go there then swing by Paulie Gee's Slice Shop for an awesome NY classic slice. Paulie Gee's Slice Shop is very similar to Joe's on Carmine Street and Patsy's in Harlem. Just a great NY slice.
The pizza you're getting at Lucali is not the same as the pizza you're getting at Patsy's in Harlem or Joe's on Carmine. All three are amazing but they're not the same.
Sallys Apizza is top ten even if you're including NY pizza. It's also much better then Pepe's. I tend to just include the New Haven spots when I'm discussing NY pizza. Yes, the shape and crust are different but it's not as drastic a departure as Detroit or Chicago style.
In truth, most people in NY don't even know what they're talking about when it comes to pizza. People in my neighborhood will swear by the place on the corner not because it's actually good but because it's just the place they've always went to out of convenience. They'll tell you it's the best and then you ask, have you ever had Di Fara? Patsy's in Harlem? Lucali? Johnny's in Mount Vernon? Joe's on Carmine? John's on Bleecker? and they'll stare at you like you have five heads.
The problem with eating Papa John's in NYC isn't that you're eating trashy pizza. The problem is that you're eating the second best version of trashy pizza after Dominos. Dominos is better then Papa John's in every single way so if you're in the mood for that (or stoned) you're better off with Dominos every single time. Papa John's is just terrible. Plus, when it comes to delivery efficiency I never cease to be amazed at how good Dominos is. Always here fast, the order is always exactly correct and they keep you updated through every step of the process. Pretty nice delivery people too in my experience here.
/rant
You have taken me too seriously.
And the water?
^Pizza snobPerhaps it's the other way around. Sometimes I like to play the straight man.
Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl to finish his career and stiff armed his wife and children so he could embrace that which means most to him
an extremely intoxicated Papa John
Anyone living in NY eating Papa John's should be immediately flogged with a wet noodle.
One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.
The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America
I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.