Anyone else miss the Papa John's promotion?

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So it’s not that you don’t like Pizza. It’s that you are such a well traveled pizza connoisseur that discussing local pizza dives made you chuckle at the plebs.

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It's just where my travels have taken me. All absolutely random--something that might even be called chaos theory. I suspect you have places of your own. Above and beyond all that a main problem with the chain pizzerias is they skimp on the quality in favor of quantity and they have no real loyalty to their employees and quite often because of that they get no real loyalty back. Those are some reasons why a neighborhood pizzeria will almost always be better.
 
One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.

The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America

I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.

Tomato pie is not even pizza and it's f***ing amazing if you get it from a good bakery. I had the pleasure of growing up about 5 minutes from the bakery that made one of most renowned tomato pies in our area. I will never forget that pie and still crave it to this day. I wouldn't get it when I wanted good pizza, and I wouldn't get pizza if I wanted good tomato pie. That author is doing whip-its in a room filled with gasoline fumes. Shameful!
 
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Probably time for me to offer my two cents here.

I am a native New Yorker (Long Island) and there is nothing like New York pizza. Nothing.

I worked for Papa John's for four years and I was involved in the beginning (not the culmination) of the negotiations to tie Papa John's to the Rangers. Papa John's makes a good commercial pizza that is better suited for the tastes of mid America. Outside of the Northeast and Chicago, pizza is pretty much the same throughout the country. Papa John's uses very good ingredients and has very good operational procedures. It is a different taste and flavor profile than what most of us grew up with. It is also why companies like Papa John's and Pizza Hut (where I worked for 18 years) do poorly in the Northeast. It's not bad pizza, it's just not our kind of pizza.

And as for John, I know him well and he is a great guy. He treated me with respect and was very kind to my family. I never once saw him say or do anything remotely racist or bigoted (and I had plenty of opportunity to observe) I know far too much background about what was said and not said about health care and racist terms to share here but I can tell you with great confidence that what has been written and said about him is badly exaggerated and simply not reflective of the man.

omg @bobbop is Papa John!

Hey Sam!
PAPA IS IN THE HOUSE®️!
 
It's just where my travels have taken me. All absolutely random--something that might even be called chaos theory. I suspect you have places of your own. Above and beyond all that a main problem with the chain pizzerias is they skimp on the quality in favor of quantity and they have no real loyalty to their employees and quite often because of that they get no real loyalty back. Those are some reasons why a neighborhood pizzeria will almost always be better.

You have taken me too seriously.
 
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A topic where I can be considered an expert. I am a pizza snob (though I have never been to New Haven) who lives in the south.

Here in Charlotte, some pizza isn’t bad. Some nail the NY crust perfectly, but miss the sauce. Hawthorne’s and Fuel Pizza are these. There are some good NY replicas (Libretto’s and Luisa’s) that get almost everything right. A brand new independent guy opened fairly close to me which is a perfect Jersey pie (Sal’s).

The sad thing is though, the majority of people who go to these places are northeastern transplants. The natives will order their delivery pizza from Papa John’s, Domino’s, Hungry Howie’s (especially bad) and claim it quality food.

I used to enjoy a pan pizza from Pizza Hut every now and then. Now, it’s more like a Buffalo/Pittsburgh style thick crust pie, rather than a true airy pan pizza. Just heavy and crappy, IMO.

Detroit pizza isn’t bad (then again I like pan pizza done right).

Chicago is the same way. It can be outstanding, or awful, depending on who made it.

As bobbop says, the majority of people outside of the Northeast cooridor and Chicago find the blandness of the mass produced delivery pizzas to be fine. My wife’s palate has been cleansed to where she only likes NY style.
 
In short no. I don't know anyone who ever used the code.

Papa John's to me is like Dominos. It's fine once or twice a year as a changeup when the weather is bad and you're feeling like an utterly lazy piece of garbage and the weekly grind has worn you down to the point of not wanting to cook or grocery shop. So in other words either Thanksgiving weekend or that post-Christmas to right after New Year's time.
 
One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.

The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America

I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.
I’ve eaten every one of these pizzas as well as many more. St. Louis Pizza is without question the worst of the worst. Absolutely unbeatable and expensive to boot. Pizza hell.
 
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One of the five worst regional pizzas in the entire country, apparently.

The Five Worst Regional Pizzas In America

I mean, just look at that Ohio-valley "thing" calling itself pizza. Horrendous.
The thing I called "Cleveland--style" in my earlier post is apparently Ohio Valley pizza. On the few occasions I tried it, no one told me that's what it was, and since I was in Cleveland and the locals liked it, I assumed it was a Cleveland thing.

Glad St. Louis pizza is on there. It is just disgusting. I mean there are some thin-crusts pizzas that I'll eat, but St. Louis pizza is the kind of thing where you look at it and say to yourself "If I eat that I'm probably going to get diarrhea." And then you eat it and you get diarrhea.

California pizza is like what I was talking about to start. It's not really pizza. It's a bunch of other shit served in the style of pizza. Whether or not it's good is entirely dependent on what you get on it. I found some good things living in SD.
 
It's not about "realness" it's about knowing what you're eating and being able to discern whether or not it's accomplishing what it's supposed to accomplish. I don't care what kind of style pizza I'm eating. I can tell whether or not it's done properly.

Emmy Squared in Brooklyn does Detroit style pizza. It's heavenly. Go there then swing by Paulie Gee's Slice Shop for an awesome NY classic slice. Paulie Gee's Slice Shop is very similar to Joe's on Carmine Street and Patsy's in Harlem. Just a great NY slice.

The pizza you're getting at Lucali is not the same as the pizza you're getting at Patsy's in Harlem or Joe's on Carmine. All three are amazing but they're not the same.

Sallys Apizza is top ten even if you're including NY pizza. It's also much better then Pepe's. I tend to just include the New Haven spots when I'm discussing NY pizza. Yes, the shape and crust are different but it's not as drastic a departure as Detroit or Chicago style.

In truth, most people in NY don't even know what they're talking about when it comes to pizza. People in my neighborhood will swear by the place on the corner not because it's actually good but because it's just the place they've always went to out of convenience. They'll tell you it's the best and then you ask, have you ever had Di Fara? Patsy's in Harlem? Lucali? Johnny's in Mount Vernon? Joe's on Carmine? John's on Bleecker? and they'll stare at you like you have five heads.

The problem with eating Papa John's in NYC isn't that you're eating trashy pizza. The problem is that you're eating the second best version of trashy pizza after Dominos. Dominos is better then Papa John's in every single way so if you're in the mood for that (or stoned) you're better off with Dominos every single time. Papa John's is just terrible. Plus, when it comes to delivery efficiency I never cease to be amazed at how good Dominos is. Always here fast, the order is always exactly correct and they keep you updated through every step of the process. Pretty nice delivery people too in my experience here.

/rant
Ok, I can buy the "real" vs. "done well" thing. That's not totally different than what I'm talking about.

I'm skeptical of anything Detroit pizza. I've had it from the "good" places in Detroit and it was crunchy shit. If there's a place in Brooklyn that you say does it well, my instinct would be then they're doing something substantially different than what the guys in Detroit are doing. But I obviously can't speak from experience.

However, disagree on the Domino's vs. Papa John's things. I think Domino's does a better crust, better sauce, and is generally better with the cheese. However Papa John's is vastly superior on toppings, and on novelty pizzas. And toppings and novelty shit is the only thing that will have me ordering from either place.
 
I prefer chain pizza to NY pizza don’t kill me guys
I’ve only been to NY once, but I had pizza a few times on my trip. Maybe it’s an acquired taste, and do people actually eat their pizza folded in half? When I tried it there I found it odd lol
 
This thread makes me jealous. Domino's and Papa John's in Grande Prairie are probably the 2nd and 3rd best pizza spots respectively.

And even the best place doesn't measure up to the two slices of "New York style" that I had in Vegas. You guys get to suck from the proverbial teat on a whim; don't take it for granted.
 
Have you guys seen Brazilian style?

I'm just going to leave this picture completely out of context.

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Anyone living in NY eating Papa John's should be immediately flogged with a wet noodle.

But doesn’t Papa Johns have better ingredients and better pizza? The people who think Papa Johns offers authentic Italian pizza are the same ones who think Olive Garden offers authentic Italian fares.
 
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When it comes to pizza I turn into Mary Berry. "The sauce is too sweet, and we have a soggy bottom here. Not worth the calories I'm afraid."
 
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