Any Chance Crosby Reaches 2000 Points?
- Thread starter DitchMarner
- Start date
-
HF Sportsbook has been reset for the new season - Click here to play.
BenchBrawl
Registered User
- Jul 26, 2010
- 31,044
- 13,969
He has a shot if he wants to play for that long.
Too bad Pittsburgh is in no position to contend within the next five years.
Too bad Pittsburgh is in no position to contend within the next five years.
Crosby2010
Registered User
- Mar 4, 2023
- 1,326
- 1,184
The Pens missed the playoffs on the last game of the season the last two years. They are a playoff team I think. The way Crosby, Malkin and Letang have played so far this year is impressive. Malkin to me is the key this year, he certainly would be the one that could move the needle as we all know how Crosby will fare. But they are old. Karlsson is old too. There is not much in the cupboard for them. They really need to rely on the old quartet that they have. They are miles from being a contender, three Cups will do that to you eventually, but what I'd like to see him do is make the playoffs. He is tied for 5th with Jagr at 201. The 4 ahead of him are dynasty Oilers. If he had sole possession of 5th, he could have a chance to catch Anderson at 214. That is more likely than 2000. I think after two years he is 5th or 6th all-time in points. He needs two huge years to pass Francis for 5th in the next two years but if he plays three more years he passes Francis. That would leave Gretzky, Jagr, Messier and Howe ahead of him. And that sounds just about right as far as I am concerned.
BarnabyJones PI
I'd kindly settle for a tall glass of milk.
I've been thinking about this since 2019 (or so).
I think he can.
I don't see him as the type to have his sights set on that specific goal though, or motivated to make it harder for McDavid to catch him in that regard. McDavid's ahead of his pace, but he still has to be really good well into his 30s to do so. McDavid's "only" +600 points behind while he's 10 years younger, but Crosby is still racking up 80-90 point seasons.
Last edited:
JackSlater
Registered User
- Apr 27, 2010
- 19,119
- 14,398
MadLuke
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2011
- 10,535
- 6,062
Ovechkin created some never say never, but that a whole lot of points for someone with very little left to prove (Thornton and many that hanged around long did not win a cup, money-life problem, etc...)
One way to put it, after his 36 years old season,
Yzerman..: 93
Sakic....: 152
Thornton : 198
Beliveau.: 207 (in only 202 games)
Francis..: 239
Oates....: 294
jagr.....: 322
Messier..: 335
Howe.....: 489
Would 400 pts it be the most ever after Howe ? And by a good amount, if someone can do it, could be him with scoring staying high, but still this would be a lot. Jagr without the KHL probably could have, but he had a freak of nature 6 foot 3 frame and played until he was 45.
One way to put it, after his 36 years old season,
Yzerman..: 93
Sakic....: 152
Thornton : 198
Beliveau.: 207 (in only 202 games)
Francis..: 239
Oates....: 294
jagr.....: 322
Messier..: 335
Howe.....: 489
Would 400 pts it be the most ever after Howe ? And by a good amount, if someone can do it, could be him with scoring staying high, but still this would be a lot. Jagr without the KHL probably could have, but he had a freak of nature 6 foot 3 frame and played until he was 45.
Last edited:
Golden_Jet
Registered User
- Sep 21, 2005
- 25,651
- 13,163
Got me curious for Alfredsson as he went til 41, he was 285 points after turning 36.
Not sure he gets there, not sure if will play long enough.
jigglysquishy
Registered User
There's a chance, I just don't think it's a good one. He's going to hit 1800 points but I'm not confident on anything after that. He'll be 39 when he hits 1800. I know he's a fitness freak but he just won't be elite productive more after that. There's only what, 20 PPG seasons after age 36 as is? And what, just like 3 80 point seasons after age 38? Outside Howe it's just not something we've seen even from guys like Sakic or Jagr or Gretzky or Lemieux or Yzerman.
Maybe he plays until 43 and gets there. But I do think he's done after this last contract he signed.
Maybe he plays until 43 and gets there. But I do think he's done after this last contract he signed.
Michael Farkas
Celebrate 68
Nah...I don't think he's going to try to hang on for that long. I think these are probably the last three seasons...
Ya I can't wait for MJ to say well Crosby couldn't play as long.....blah blah blah......
Hockey Outsider
Registered User
- Jan 16, 2005
- 9,407
- 15,499
I'm posting this as statistical trivia (since I don't think career totals are overly informative). But Crosby has the potential to reach a few significant records, even though he'll probably fall short of 2,000 points:
Most assists for a single franchise
Most points for a single franchise
With 105 assists and 211 points, Crosby would set the all-time record for most assists and points for a single franchise. He probably needs three (relatively) healthy seasons to take both records. (I'll add the obligatory "McDavid could surpass this ten years from now").
(Note - Crosby also ranks 7th in most goals for a franchise. The four players at the top - Ovechkin, Howe, Yzerman, and Lemieux - each scored 690+ times. But Crosby has a good chance of taking 5th place from Sakic, who had 625 for the Avalanche).
Who knows if the Penguins will qualify for the playoffs in the near future. Crosby won't surpass Gretzky, but he would finish 2nd all-time in assists and points for a single franchise with another 6 assists and 15 points.
Most assists for a single franchise
| 1 | Ray Bourque | 1,111 | Bruins |
| 2 | Wayne Gretzky | 1,086 | Oilers |
| 3 | Steve Yzerman | 1,063 | Red Wings |
| 4 | Mario Lemieux | 1,033 | Penguins |
| 5 | Gordie Howe | 1,023 | Red Wings |
| 6 | Joe Sakic | 1,016 | Avalanche |
| 7 | Sidney Crosby | 1,007 | Penguins |
| 8 | Stan Mikita | 926 | Blackhawks |
| 9 | Nicklas Lidstrom | 878 | Red Wings |
| 10 | Bryan Trottier | 853 | Islanders |
Most points for a single franchise
| 1 | Gordie Howe | 1,809 | Red Wings |
| 2 | Steve Yzerman | 1,755 | Red Wings |
| 3 | Mario Lemieux | 1,723 | Penguins |
| 4 | Wayne Gretzky | 1,669 | Oilers |
| 5 | Joe Sakic | 1,641 | Avalanche |
| 6 | Sidney Crosby | 1,599 | Penguins |
| 7 | Alex Ovechkin | 1,551 | Capitals |
| 8 | Ray Bourque | 1,506 | Bruins |
| 9 | Stan Mikita | 1,467 | Blackhawks |
| 10 | Mike Modano | 1,374 | Stars |
With 105 assists and 211 points, Crosby would set the all-time record for most assists and points for a single franchise. He probably needs three (relatively) healthy seasons to take both records. (I'll add the obligatory "McDavid could surpass this ten years from now").
(Note - Crosby also ranks 7th in most goals for a franchise. The four players at the top - Ovechkin, Howe, Yzerman, and Lemieux - each scored 690+ times. But Crosby has a good chance of taking 5th place from Sakic, who had 625 for the Avalanche).
Who knows if the Penguins will qualify for the playoffs in the near future. Crosby won't surpass Gretzky, but he would finish 2nd all-time in assists and points for a single franchise with another 6 assists and 15 points.
Last edited:
The Panther
Registered User
I doubt it. I don't see Crosby as the type to stay on longer than his abilities permit, and I think once he starts to notably decline, he will step off.
It's becoming the 'Ovechkin / Crosby with some History of Hockey board"...
WarriorofTime
Registered User
- Jul 3, 2010
- 30,827
- 19,576
Athletes are playing longer these days (Brady, LeBron..) It's possible if he stayed healthy and wanted to keep going.
sr edler
gold is not reality
- Mar 20, 2010
- 12,095
- 6,570
Half the threads on the history board are about active players, it feels like.
JackSlater
Registered User
- Apr 27, 2010
- 19,119
- 14,398
It's excessive yeah. A lot of jockeying to see where whichever current player fits in for historical comparison. Mainly Crosby, Ovechkin, and McDavid, with some Matthews thrown in. This one is even prediction based.
WarriorofTime
Registered User
- Jul 3, 2010
- 30,827
- 19,576
It’s interesting the perception that it’s somehow more honorable to retire once no longer a very top player. If someone is willing to give you a job and it’s not a gimmick there’s no reason a player should stop playing. Whether it’s for love of game, for money or legacy. You have the whole rest of your life to not be a pro athlete. I don’t think there’s a particular intersection of age and level of play that a player “should” retire. No shame in being a 42 year old third line player making under $2 million if that’s what you want to do.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
The only thing that could keep him around longer is a legitimate chance to win. He'll finish his career in Pitt (as he should) and I'm hoping Dubas and company can somehow steer us into at least semi contender status, if for no other reason than getting to see Sid play as long as possible.
2000? Nah, injuries robbed him of that unfortunately, and even more importantly, some major hardware.
Pretty neat:
The Pens have taken the crown from the Habs as being been the premiere league franchise. Since 1986, they have the most Cups (five), had multiple GOAT talents (Mario, Jagr, Crosby and Malkin), and domination of league awards (13 Art Rosses, 11 Lindsays, 7 Harts).
To the bolded....I don't think that's the case?
Some players want to retire while still at the top of their game (Roy, Gretzky) - but as you say, that's an individual choice. I don't have any issue with players staying longer, and I don't really hear negatives about it either from fans or others.
I think it's kind of 'up to a certain point' though.
If Crosby wants to play hockey while age 41 or 42, if he morphs into a ~60 point guy? Sure, no problem.
But I don't think anyone wants to see Crosby hanging on long enough to be a barely ~20 point player who can't even crack an NHL roster.
Crosby just signed a 2 year contract. So he has at least 3 seasons left. He's scored at a ~93-99 point pace for the past 3 years. It depends how long he plays for of course. 3 years seems a certainty....does he play for 4? 5? 6? more?
He's been super consistent his whole career, so I don't expect a sharp decline from him....so him hitting 70/80+ points consistently even as he ages out doesn't seem unrealistic.
Here are some guesstimates for likelihood he tops 2000 points, and other milestones. I try to take injuries/missed games into account.
If he plays 3 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (68 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (85 point average per year)
- 5% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (97 point average per year)
If he plays 4 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (51 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (64 point average per year)
- 80% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (73 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (82 point average per year)
If he plays 5 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (40 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (51 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (59 point average per year)
- 85% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (65 point average per year)
- 35% chance he tops 2000 points (81 point average per year)
If he plays 6 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (34 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (43 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (49 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (55 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops 2000 points (67 point average per year)
Obviously injuries and games missed are unpredictable. He has played in over 95% of his team's games the past 4 seasons though.
He's been super consistent his whole career, so I don't expect a sharp decline from him....so him hitting 70/80+ points consistently even as he ages out doesn't seem unrealistic.
Here are some guesstimates for likelihood he tops 2000 points, and other milestones. I try to take injuries/missed games into account.
If he plays 3 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (68 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (85 point average per year)
- 5% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (97 point average per year)
If he plays 4 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (51 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (64 point average per year)
- 80% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (73 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (82 point average per year)
If he plays 5 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (40 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (51 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (59 point average per year)
- 85% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (65 point average per year)
- 35% chance he tops 2000 points (81 point average per year)
If he plays 6 more years:
- 99% chance he tops Francis's 1798 points for #5 all-time (34 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Howe's 1850 points for #4 all-time (43 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Messier's 1887 points for #3 all-time (49 point average per year)
- 99% chance he tops Jagr's 1921 points for #2 all-time (55 point average per year)
- 50% chance he tops 2000 points (67 point average per year)
Obviously injuries and games missed are unpredictable. He has played in over 95% of his team's games the past 4 seasons though.
The Panther
Registered User
Yeah, it's always a good look when you see a great player (who plays a long, full career) reach that one season where he can no longer do it -- say, no longer a top-line guy, no longer a top-PP guy -- and then he just retires. The Mike Gartner, Joe Sakic, type of ending. (Maybe Rocket Richard and Steve Yzerman had two seasons like that, but there were injuries and the Lock-Out to contend with.)
It's also great when someone retires (not because of injury) while still in the prime... but that is very rare, as we know.
As @bobholly39 says, I don't really have any issue with players playing well past their primes as long as the team is competitive and the player has a defined, successful role. The role might be as a depth or a 2nd-line scorer-type, and that's fine, as long as he's still contributing.
Bit of a mulligan for some of the 1980s'-guys who lasted into the mid-to-late 1990s. This was the era of big money for veterans, and for guys who'd been making $175,000 in their primes, there was now a pot of $3 or $4 million on the table to survive another year or two. Wihle it didn't always look good on the final career resume, it's quite understandable.
It's also great when someone retires (not because of injury) while still in the prime... but that is very rare, as we know.
As @bobholly39 says, I don't really have any issue with players playing well past their primes as long as the team is competitive and the player has a defined, successful role. The role might be as a depth or a 2nd-line scorer-type, and that's fine, as long as he's still contributing.
Bit of a mulligan for some of the 1980s'-guys who lasted into the mid-to-late 1990s. This was the era of big money for veterans, and for guys who'd been making $175,000 in their primes, there was now a pot of $3 or $4 million on the table to survive another year or two. Wihle it didn't always look good on the final career resume, it's quite understandable.
BigBadBruins7708
Registered User
Eh, is it really that odd for the history board to have threads about 2 active all time greats who are both approaching career milestones/records and have both hit the point in their careers where it's time to look at them retrospectively?
on topic: no for me, I dont see him hanging on like a Marleau just for a milestone
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Sid has spoken numerous times about flattening the curve in terms of athletic ability declining as you age. He's obviously a workout warrior and fitness nut, but he's also highlighted the completive fire that still burns. I think he's an intensely competitive person, most of all with himself.
The Pens continuing to miss the playoffs will almost surely see him walk at the end of his contract. But if he feels he can still contribute in a meaningful way and the Pens are competitive, I think he's got the fire to go beyond 3 more seasons and the ability/work ethic to still be good enough to do it.
I definitely agree he's not the type to hang around just for a certain milestone or past the point where he's no longer an NHL caliber player.
The Pens continuing to miss the playoffs will almost surely see him walk at the end of his contract. But if he feels he can still contribute in a meaningful way and the Pens are competitive, I think he's got the fire to go beyond 3 more seasons and the ability/work ethic to still be good enough to do it.
I definitely agree he's not the type to hang around just for a certain milestone or past the point where he's no longer an NHL caliber player.
MadLuke
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2011
- 10,535
- 6,062
Chelios-Jagr arguably benefit from their very long post nhl top-6F, top-3 D player, so it depends how it is done. Howe.... Trottier as a role player, I think everyone loved old Gilmour in MTL or old Selanne.
The exception could be hurting a team contract wise or getting a spot just because you are a legend and hurting the team creating resentment.
The it is not gimmick make it almost certain for it to not be the case.
If Crosby achieve to transfert all that hockey IQ, experience and old men strength to be a good third liner on a good veteran contract on the Pens (or say a MTL-TOR and sold a bit like a childhood dream to wear that jersey), I do not imagine many would mind, he have a strong that guy really love to the point of needing hockey aura around him, maybe similar to old Selanne with the Ducks.
Ad
Latest posts
-
GDT: Game #5: Utah HC @ Anaheim - 8:00pm MDT - Utah16, Arizona61- Latest: GhostofYotesFan47
-
GDT: Oilers @ Predators, 10/17/2024 -- We finally get some lube.
- Latest: herzausstein
-
Upcoming events
-
-
ALCS New York Yankees @ Cleveland Guardians - Best of 7 - Game 3 - Series Tied 1-1Wagers: 7Staked: $3,231.00Event closes- Updated:
-
-
-